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Nathanson 
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 Topic: Did the Punks killed Prog Rock?
Posted: July 23 2007 at 23:15 |
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Here's something that you'll kill me with. Do you think that the Punk Rock scene had almost destroyed the Prog Rock-era. Even though John Lydon aka Johnny Rotten wore his I hate Pink Floyd t-shirt, it sort marked the end of Prog Rock calling them dinosaurs, but most punkers like Mark E. Smith, Julian Cope, and John Lydon have a little heart in Prog in them. Johnny Rotten was a fan of VDGG, Can, Hawkwind, and Magma to name a few. Mark E. Smith was a Henry Cow fan, Julian "Krautrock expert" Cope, and Captain Sensible who's a Prog fan as well. So this is something that I'll take the blame for and I know you're going to say Duh! Did the Punks killed Prog?
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Dim
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Posted: July 23 2007 at 23:19 |
Well, progs not dead, but punk kicked prog off the radio.
Punk is responsible for everything bad thats happened to music, except AC/DC they sucked before punk.  |
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stonebeard
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Posted: July 23 2007 at 23:21 |
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If prog were dead, this site would be a tribute to it, not an ever evolving hub of musical commentary and sharing.
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darkmatter
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Posted: July 23 2007 at 23:22 |
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I don't know much about punk, but why do people here keep saying prog is dead?!
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1800iareyay
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Posted: July 23 2007 at 23:23 |
No. Prog crippled itself when its big names began selling out. ELP, Yes, and Genesis all switched to a commercial format and released horrible pop (not all pop is awful mind you, but this stuff was big time). KC and VDGG ended. Tull and Rush were the only ones to make good music, and only rush had big commercial success. Once Tull began making crap albums, it was all up to rush, who IMO stayed strong in the 80s but many would debate their progginess.
Punk only showed just how self-serving many prog acts and arena rock bands were and it forced the genre to reevaluate itself. many bands chose how to adapt poorly (Yes, ELP, etc.) but a good deal perservered. Prog is not dead, nor did it ever die, though it came close in 78-82.
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Dim
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Posted: July 23 2007 at 23:25 |
Good point man!
Though I completely disagree with Rush being good the 80's
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1800iareyay
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Posted: July 23 2007 at 23:26 |
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You are certainly not the only one. I think only Hold Your Fire was poor. Signals and Grace were magnificent and Power Windows was decent. To each his own
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Nathanson
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Posted: July 23 2007 at 23:28 |
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I agree with you. Most of Genesis later stuff like We Can't Dance, Invisible Touch and *cough* Calling All Station *cough*. Were showing of the band being a complete sell out. I was thinking to myself "This is not the image we want here! where's our epics? where's Supper's Ready's tracks 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5?" Genesis the late '80s years almost sounded like Duran Duran.
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1800iareyay
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Posted: July 23 2007 at 23:31 |
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Epics aren't necessary (see Rush), but the bands changed their entire sound and even appearance. I don't think that success makes an artist a sellout, but it does if th artist sacrifices his musical vision to attain it.
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meinmatrix
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 00:54 |
Well, to be honest i must say that prog still seems to be doing okay. Maybe the early 1980's was a dry season but then it became better. Punk rockers and grungeheads were trying to take over us but they didn't succeed. 
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Nathanson
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 01:18 |
Absolutely. Punk was just a bunch of kidnergartners who don't know how to play an instrument 
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martinprog77
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 03:03 |
 darkmatter wrote:
I don't know much about punk, but why do people here keep saying prog is dead?! |
prog was alive and still is but .it seems that in the 80's prog just take a vacation 
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Chicapah
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 08:30 |
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MTV had a lot more to do with "killing" prog than punk ever did.
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 17:31 |
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No. Punk is not responsible for anything. I don't like it, but the attitude some people have towards it is ludicrous. And some of the early punk groups actually have a lot of technical skill.
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Hirgwath
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 17:42 |
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It really doesn't matter...because punk is far more dead than prog ever was. Even steadfast punk festivals like Warped have almost made the full transition to "emo" bands. I do prefer prog...but at least punk wasn't as hideous as emo. The Clash weren't all that bad...
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Dean
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 18:10 |
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I've responded to this argument in several times in other threads. I'll not bother reiterate the salient points of my various discourses. Punk did not kill Prog - the only think Punk killed was itself. Punk had burnt itself out in 6 months - The MYTH that Punk killed Prog was perpetrated by self-serving music journalists so they could claim their place in history - the truth is Punk died, Prog is still going.
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What?
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micky
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 18:13 |
darqdean wrote:
I'll not bother reiterate the salient points of my various discourses. |
god I love that... 
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Jimbo
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 18:55 |
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Sorry, but this thread is a perfect example of why Punk had to come. The arrogance of the average prog fan still baffles me to no end, honestly. You're all too happy to claim that nothing good came out of Punk, and yet schizoid_man77 (for example) openly admitted in another thread that he only knows a couple of bands from the genre. If it's not this kind of pompousness and elitism that caused prog's decline, then I don't know what did...
Of course it's convenient to blame everyone else, but how about accepting the fact that prog's (musical) decline had already begun much before Punk started its rise. Most well-known prog acts were becoming increasingly pompous, both live and in studio, while simultaneously losing much of their inspiration.
With albums like Tales From Topographic Oceans, A Passion Play, Brain Salad Surgery etc. it's no wonder that Punk had to come. No matter how orgasmic they may have sounded to Joe the prog fan, it should be fairly easy to grasp why the big audience (along with the critics) slowly turned their back to progressive rock.
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Proletariat
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 19:01 |
Thank god for punk, punk weeded out all the prog rock bands that had gone past their prime and releasing second rate albums. Punk also spawned the DIY attitude that has allowed prog to survive without the support of the major record labels.
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 19:06 |
If punk killed prog it committed suicide afterwards. Or maybe it died when one of its body parts got infected after a bad piercing.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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