The proper category for Rush ?

schizoid_man77 wrote: No   I'm saying that Rush insnt like Yes, because Yes only had ONE signal* (which they didnt even mean to make), then turned they're back on radio**. While Rush always sticked with radio, therefore not as "hardcore prog" as Yes.

*Whereas Rush had a whole album signal.

**As soon as you turn around, they are back on that damn radio!

Why does a band have to eschew radio play to be considered more progressive?

Shakespeare wrote: You're thinking of Zeuhl, I'm talking about Zheul.

Ah, sorry. Yeah, I think Zheul is an even better fit for Rush than Zeuhl.

Kid-A wrote: OMG they actually changed the name to eclectic prog and crossover prog in the front page! Didn't realize that. Makes much more sense this way though.

Are you saying that you participate in a discussion, without even knowing what it is about??

I've given up on all those genres 'post-this', 'eclectic that', 'Italian whatchamacallit', 'proto-something', 'neo-art-whatshisface', 'prog-semi-related'.... I have no idea how to categorize Rush. I'd categorize them as 'Rush rock'.

Schizoid, just because a band sells a lot of records doesn't mean that they necessarily have a "connection to popular music" as Crossover is defined (I assume that's the subgenre you're vouching for).

They could be Reggae, too. Spirit of the Radio? Vital Signs?

Might as well chime in here.

schizoid_man77 wrote: White Shadow wrote: schizoid_man77 wrote: White Shadow wrote: schizoid_man77 wrote: No   I'm saying that Rush insnt like Yes, because Yes only had ONE signal (which they didnt even mean to make), then turned they're back on radio. While Rush always sticked with radio, therefore not as "hardcore prog" as Yes. Uhhhm, Have you ever listened to 90125 or Big Generator?  Granted, they're not fully pop, but they are clearly more "radio-friendly", to use that term that these fools have been using,  than anything Rush ever put out. I mean, it's not even close.  "Rhythm of Love" is just terrible.  And don't say it wasn;t intentional.  That's not even naive.  That's stupid.  Go listen to "In the city of Angels".  There was clear intent in their eighties stuff.   Read my other posts...   This is getting annoying, 90125 and he classic Yes period are on the oppositer ends of the musical cosmos, so shut up, and READ ALL MY POSTS BEFORE TRYING TO FOOLISHLY CONTRADICT ME I read your other posts and I don't see why that would change what I said at all.  You say that Rush was always radio-friendly and then name a bunch of singles that they released, the majority of which weren't hits by the way, and that's supposed proove that their radio-friendly?  What band doesn't release singles? Holy sh*t, you know what , you're right, Rush sold out with "passage to Bangkok".  I see it now, they're not as progressive now because they released a single.  It all makes sense.  On top of that, after you name a bunch of singles that weren't hits you try to discredit someone that said Starship trooper was a hit by saying it "barely" broke the top 40.  That's way more than half the ones you mentioned did.  And what the hell do you mean by yes 80s is on the opposite side of the cosmos from 70s yes?  What difference does that make.  I could make the same comment about Rush.  I don't believe "Subdivisions" sounds anything like "The Necromancer" or "2112" but thats ok you can just excuse Yes for putting out popular material by saying that they were different in the 80's when no band stays the same over the years.  Yes has just as many hits as Rush.  "Roundabout", the aforementioned "Starship Trooper", "I've Seen All Good People", "Don't Kill the Whale", "Owner of a lonely Heart", "Rhythm of Love" are all hits.  Notice I only mentioned the hits and not just singles they released.  And lastly, why would it be foolish to contradict you?  What an ahole.  And I've read some other posts too by you.  You're just a jerk in general.  You're one of those people who measure a band's progressiveness based on how much they're on the radio and that's sad.  Why don't you lighten up and just listen to music for what it is and not how popular it is?   Wow, were an angry white shadow arent we   Compare seventies Yes to eighties Yes...   Sure Rush did not have a hit until 2112, but have ALWAYS aimed for media attention   In an earlier post I sayed that radio attention does not make a band any less progressive     I think we need to shill out a bit, I know I may be a bit stubborn and closeminded, but a jerk I am not.

I'm not angry.  I was totally calm when I wrote that.  In fact I am a very happy white shadow.  I was being sarcastic when I wrote most of it.  If you didn't figure it out, "Passage to Bangkok" did not chart, it was not a hit.  And you did say that radio attention made a band less progressive.  And I quote, "Rush were progressive but never progressive enough to stay away from radio".  End quote.  So either you lied or forgot.  And where are you getting that Rush aims for radio air time?  You're pulling that out of your ass.  Their first true hit was "Spirit of Radio"  and that was supposed to be a punch in the stomach to radio.  How do you explain that?  Rush is so radio-friendly that they attack radio in their songs.  Yeah, Rush is definitely a good friend of radio.  And I'm sorry, it is my opinion, based on your posts and the way you talk to people, that you are a jerk.  Like I said, you need to lighten up.

Tony R wrote: Rush havent sold as many albums as the following bands: Jethro Tull Yes Genesis Pink Floyd ELP So this stuff about popularity is not very well thought out. As for High Tide....just how influential were they for pity's sake? Everyone's entitled to an opinion but let's not be contraversial for the sake of an argument. @ White Shadow Let's not start calling people liars in the course of an argument either, unless you want to discover the quickest way out of here..

No, they arent the 5th bestselling at all, they have the 5 th best haul of gold or platinum albums in the US.

Genesis,Tull, Floyd,Yes and ELP have all outsold Rush in the US.

It has nothing to do with "England" and everything to do with researching your "facts" before presenting them in argument.