Prog Related.... just ...what is 'related'

and since I see you logged on  M@X..... thoughts from you would sure be sweet...  this is your BBQ so to speak ... and your baby... with final yes and no say.  I think we'd all love to see you drop by and share your thoughts.   Some of us don't agree with PR... but still try to work with what you want for the site.  It helps if what exactly you do want is sort of spelled out hahhaha.

Majestic_Mayhem wrote:  For the betterment and accuracy of the Archives. I will check on this thread from time to time so I can (hopefully) see and learn more. Nice one micky. Honestly, I myself am a bit confused with this "sub genre". *pats micky's back"

thanks.. but thank Bob...it was his idea to start this...  I'm not the brains of the site here just the big mouth of it hahahha.

Edited by Easy Livin - November 14 2007 at 12:03

Easy Livin wrote: All solo artists who are members of prog bands are prog related (except Phil Collins!).

I'm surprised by this statement, because I used to think the same thing.  I once proposed adding the debut EP of singer/songwriter Laura Meade, who is a member of the American progressive band IZZ.  Alan (chopper) informed me that I had misconstrued the meaning of prog-related, and that the artist couldn't be added simply because she was a member of IZZ.

Ghost Rider wrote: Every addition is taken by someone as a personal insult, and the consequences are not pretty.

Really, I can't understand the emotion involved.  I mean, suppose Boston were added here under Prog Related - would that actually offend people?  You'd think there was plenty of other actually serious things in the world that one could get up in arms about.

NaturalScience wrote: Ghost Rider wrote: Every addition is taken by someone as a personal insult, and the consequences are not pretty. Really, I can't understand the emotion involved.  I mean, suppose Boston were added here under Prog Related - would that actually offend people?  You'd think there was plenty of other actually serious things in the world that one could get up in arms about.

Exactly, Pat... but you've been long enough here to have seen some of the uglier skirmishes following some controversial additions. I don't want to go into the details, but some episodes have been really unpleasant. Unfortunately, this is not the first time I've seen things like that happen, and PA is certainly not the worst place for such behaviour.

The real problem is, in my opinion, the extremely subjective nature of the notion of prog, and therefore of 'prog-relatedness'. If you look at the threads in the Band Suggestion section, you'll find everything under the sun, from Ennio Morricone to Miles Davis by way of Bjork and Joni Mitchell. Some of the suggestions are a bit outrageous, while others have a point, even a strong one. However, especially when the name suggested is well-known, some of the reactions are extremely strong, which is quite offputting, and usually end up in the suggestion being put aside for a long time.

Some people do lack perspective.  That said, I can see why some people would take it personally if their arguments for whether or not a band should be included are dismissed easily or ridiculed.

For me:  I tend to think of Prog Related as a lesser Prog, or quasi Prog category, but not really as a  non-Prog category so much.  I'd be tempted to rename it Proggy.  At the very least I would expect a similar attitude or spirit to making music as one often finds with progressive bands -- e.g. adventurous, experimental, a blending of genres or genre bending music.

I would like to see bands/ artists included that could be seriously considered for a "prog" category as defined by the progressive ( though not necessarily Prog if one's a purist) categories that exist at this site.  If it doesn't make the cut in one of the so-called Prog categories here, then it can be considered for Related (or crossover in some cases).  If a band/artist seems obviously no more than Prog Related to most who know the band's music reasonably well (and one must remember that what is considered Prog can come down to individual interpretation), then it's probably not a good inclusion, or required much more thought.  As this site is somewhat revisionist about what is Prog, it may require people thinking outside of the box of their own automatic biases.  Good, insightful arguments can be made for bands that do not seem apparently "Prog" at first (a term many of us have problems with as it is and have different viewpoints on).

I do not like the idea of Boston being included even though I can discern some Prog influence because to me it's a Prog Related at best band.  It's not borderline Prog, but subjectivity does come into play.  For me the Alan Parson's Project is more than Prog Related, Laurie Anderson should be included, and Elton John, which was firmly been nixed, has more to do with Prog than Boston.

If it is deemed that it doesn't quite fit under the existing umbrella of Prog categories, then consider proposing it to PR (preferbaly after rejection for the Prog categories), but if it definitely doesn't fit... Either widen the scope of the site to more progressive music (as opposed to progressive rock) or keep it out.  Boston may be rock and have some Prog influence, but there are more interesting experimental non or quasi-rock bands/ artists that I think would fit better.

Ultimately, it is the admins and owner's prerogative, though, and this is just how I would like to see the process work.

Easy Livin wrote: Interestingly, the number of bands rejected for PR since the Admin team took on overseeing it is very low indeed, 2 or 3 I think. Many people think that artists have been rejected when they have not. Those who come to mind include Bowie, Hendrix, Journey, Toto, etc. We've never been asked for permission to add any of these.

Hi Bob, I was just curious about the above qoute, what does "never been asked for permission to add any of these" mean ?
I really don't know much about how things are done here.
Thanks

No problem EM,

ahhhh..... how about Rachmaninofff then 

composer, performer, ...and very prog hahahha