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    Posted: December 05 2007 at 04:37
I have been listening to the Count Basie album 88 Basie Street and it's really great. I had a look at the back catalogue of Count Basie albums and it's huge - I don't know where to go next. It's at times like these you really appreciate prog archives. Nowhere can I find a site with ratings and reviews of all Count Basie albums. I can't find a jazzarchives.com.
 
So, which is the next Count Basie album I should get? Anybody have any ideas?


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Big Band is an amazing form.. I don't have any Basie, just some Ellington
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Big Band is an amazing form.. I don't have any Basie, just some Ellington
 
Yes, big band is great. Which Duke Ellington albums do you recommend?
 
I used to listen to Glenn Miller 20 years ago. He's not liked to much in jazz circles (not progressive enough!) but the tunes are really catchy.
 
Recently, I found a band called The Mix Vax Big Band as they did a nice version of the Naked Gun theme song. It's a good band. I find that many members used to be in Stan Kenton's orchestra. I haven't managed to listen to Stan Kenton yet.


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Points: 65972 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2007 at 05:00
his live sets from the 40s are outstanding... At the Hollywood Empire and The Great Chicago Concerts both good
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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2007 at 05:27
The Atomic Mr Basie Wink
 
 
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^^ Thanks Certified - the review makes it sound interesting. Thumbs%20Up


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Points: 12818 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2007 at 13:09
Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Big Band is an amazing form.. I don't have any Basie, just some Ellington
 
 
 
I used to listen to Glenn Miller 20 years ago. He's not liked to much in jazz circles (not progressive enough!) but the tunes are really catchy.
 
 
 
Odd, I was told by a BBC jazz presenter, that listeners requests for jazz tracks are dominated by those for  jazz dance band music from the 30's/40's.
 
More recent big band:

Don Ellis
Loose Tubes (3 LPs not issued on CD, 4th recording issued on CD - one album The Delightful Precipice is well worth tracking down but vinyl only)
Mike Gibbs various projects scattered over the last 4 decades
Mike Westbrook's avant British jazz of the 60's, and (what Stuart Nicholson has called the best jazz fusion???) of the 70's.
Carla Bley's various bigger band projects, typically made up of Anglo-American musicians.
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Points: 1823 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2007 at 00:29
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

I used to listen to Glenn Miller 20 years ago. He's not liked to much in jazz circles (not progressive enough!) but the tunes are really catchy. 
 
Odd, I was told by a BBC jazz presenter, that listeners requests for jazz tracks are dominated by those for  jazz dance band music from the 30's/40's.
 
 
Sorry, what I meant was jazz critics didn't rate Glenn Miller highly because the music is too formulaic but the general public thought, and still think, it's good.
 
Thanks for the recommendations Dick.


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Buddy Rich would be an artist that I would definitely recommend in this vein.  
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Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

I used to listen to Glenn Miller 20 years ago. He's not liked to much in jazz circles (not progressive enough!) but the tunes are really catchy. 
 
Odd, I was told by a BBC jazz presenter, that listeners requests for jazz tracks are dominated by those for  jazz dance band music from the 30's/40's.
 
 
Sorry, what I meant was jazz critics didn't rate Glenn Miller highly because the music is too formulaic but the general public thought, and still think, it's good.
 
Thanks for the recommendations Dick.
 
Sorry Bob
 
Wasn't going at you, rather the oddness that jazz request programmes can be overrun by 'jazz' dance from the 30/40's when no doubt the presenter  would rather avoid it.
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

 the oddness that jazz request programmes can be overrun by 'jazz' dance from the 30/40's when no doubt the presenter  would rather avoid it.
 
Yes, that does seem odd. I wonder what the age of the listeners to the show is? When my mum was a teenager in the 1940's big band dance music was like the pop music of those times.
 
The allmusic website seems pretty good. You can sort by ratings, year, title and record label:


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Points: 2226 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2007 at 07:17
I love all that jumpin', swingin' Basie big band stuff....I highly recommend the April in Paris record and the stuff he did with Joe Williams, especially the Basie Swings/Joe Williams Sings album.  As mentioned above, the Atomic Mr. Basie album is a great next step, but my favorite Basie record has to be the first one he cut with Frank Sinatra in 1962 titled Sinatra-Basie....Sinatra really cuts loose with a smaller Basie band....smokin'!  The later record he did with Tony Bennett, Bennett Sings/Basie Swings, is also a winner....both Sinatra and Bennett NEVER sounded as free and easy on ANY of their releases....great stuff.
I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Taking my suggestion further, to listen to the more recent big/bigger band artists/albums, I suggest you take a read of the chapter on big band jazz in Stuart Nicholson's Jazz Rock A History - which considering its length is disproportionately long compared to the rest of the book. Prior to writing this book Nicholson had some reputation of writing good articles/books on big bands - he produced an excellent half page article on the Stan Kenton Band in the Guardian or Independent. And here the Stan Kenton Band is used in that chapter as a step stone into the world of big band jazz rock fusion - but I've never understood how Nicholson managed to miss out Loose Tubes, but caught up BST and Chicago.
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Points: 618 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2007 at 18:34
King of Swing. 
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Originally posted by fungusucantkill fungusucantkill wrote:

King of Swing. 
 
Benny Goodman??!


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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Taking my suggestion further, to listen to the more recent big/bigger band artists/albums, I suggest you take a read of the chapter on big band jazz in Stuart Nicholson's Jazz Rock A History - which considering its length is disproportionately long compared to the rest of the book. Prior to writing this book Nicholson had some reputation of writing good articles/books on big bands - he produced an excellent half page article on the Stan Kenton Band in the Guardian or Independent. And here the Stan Kenton Band is used in that chapter as a step stone into the world of big band jazz rock fusion - but I've never understood how Nicholson managed to miss out Loose Tubes, but caught up BST and Chicago.
 
I have been reading a book called The History of Jazz by Ted Gioia. It was a bit difficult reading through cover to cover and I skipped a lot but it gave me a good overview of the history of jazz. I am not finding it an excellent reference book by looking up artists in the index.
 
One interesting thing about the book is that at the end it highlights the progressive nature of jazz music - always trying to advance and change just like progressive rock. Of course it's the other way round ... progressive rock is very much like jazz.
 
I have just started listening to Stan Kenton and Woody Herman.


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Points: 1823 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2007 at 00:59
Originally posted by Intruder Intruder wrote:

I love all that jumpin', swingin' Basie big band stuff....I highly recommend the April in Paris record and the stuff he did with Joe Williams, especially the Basie Swings/Joe Williams Sings album.  As mentioned above, the Atomic Mr. Basie album is a great next step, but my favorite Basie record has to be the first one he cut with Frank Sinatra in 1962 titled Sinatra-Basie....Sinatra really cuts loose with a smaller Basie band....smokin'!  The later record he did with Tony Bennett, Bennett Sings/Basie Swings, is also a winner....both Sinatra and Bennett NEVER sounded as free and easy on ANY of their releases....great stuff.
 
Interesting. Sinatra was very good. I'll look out for Sinatra-Basie combos.


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Points: 7456 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2007 at 01:00
Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

Originally posted by fungusucantkill fungusucantkill wrote:

King of Swing. 

 

Benny Goodman??!


Fletcher Henderson?

Art Tatum?

Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.
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Points: 65972 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2007 at 01:07
Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

I have been reading a book called The History of Jazz by Ted Gioia. It was a bit difficult reading through cover to cover and I skipped a lot but it gave me a good overview of the history of jazz. I am not finding it an excellent reference book by looking up artists in the index.
 
One interesting thing about the book is that at the end it highlights the progressive nature of jazz music - always trying to advance and change just like progressive rock. Of course it's the other way round ... progressive rock is very much like jazz.
 



sometimes Prog out-progs jazz, which though still quite vital, seems to be in a bit of a standstill
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Basie and Sinatra didn't work together all that much....outside the Sinatra-Basie record, there's a live record, Sinatra and Basie at the Sands 1966. 
 
I was just rustling thru my old cassette tape collection and found an old favorite - Sing Along with Basie....really a classic of the big band jump style....THAT would be my next Basie purchase as there are vocalists on almost every track....a whole lot of fun!
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