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Syzygy 
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 Topic: No Drums - No Dice
Posted: March 18 2008 at 18:13 |
 BaldFriede wrote:
johnobvious wrote:
When I first found prog on internet radio, I listened to Progressive Soundscapes. They were playing DT and some other bands that I was just getting into at the time and I thought, hey this is great. But then they would put on a 20 minute ambient-electronic thing. No singing, no drums and I would finally go numb from boredom. The Tangerine Dreams and Klaus Shulz's of the world are not for me and I am curious why people like that type of thing. |
Oh, but there are Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze albums with drums. And you don't have to sound like them to play music without drums. It seems you are not so much concerned about music without drums but about music without rhythm.
As to why people like them: Their music lets you imagine strange worlds. For Tangerine Dream this is true only up to a certain point though; there is a turning point in their career after which they became completely unlistenable for me; the quality of their albums slowly deteriorated over the time.
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Bang on the money as always, Friede! It's also worth pointing out that Klaus Schulze started out as a drummer (with Ash Ra Tempel), as did Chris Franke of Tangerine Dream (check out side 1 of Green Desert).
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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The Pessimist
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Posted: March 17 2008 at 17:04 |
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The middle section in Free Hand - Gentle Giant is probably one of my favourite instrumentals, and it is drumless. I also listen to classical and acoustic music, so it'll have to be option 3 for me.
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg
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Norbert
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Posted: March 17 2008 at 08:49 |
Music can be great regardless which instruments are used.
So some drumless pieces are definitevely good.
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A B Negative
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Posted: March 17 2008 at 08:47 |
BaldFriede wrote:
As to why people like them: Their music lets you imagine strange worlds.
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BF is right. Tangerine Dream and Schulze make (for want of a better word) meditative music. Some people like it, some prefer Dream Theater.
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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Nigel66
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Posted: March 17 2008 at 08:33 |
I voted "Some is good - some is bad". In general, I like my music with vocals, guitars, bass, keyboards and drums. There are examples that I like with one or several of these elements missing. As regards no drums, I give you: *** Genesis - Entangled ***
In my opinion this drumless track is one of the greatest pieces of music ever recorded. 
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johnobvious
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Posted: January 11 2008 at 19:04 |
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ABSOLUTELY Childish and silly? I guess I better listen to the latest 50 cent. Since I haven't heard it, I might like it even though that isn't my type of music. I'm pretty sure he doesn't use mellotron so I disqualified it. Back to Romper Room for me.
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rileydog22
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Posted: January 11 2008 at 18:06 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
rileydog22 wrote:
Some of my favorite drumless albums:
I think it's absolutely childish and silly to disqualify music you haven't heard just because of the presence or lack of a specific instrument.
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Agreed
I think it's actually pretty arrogant. |
I agree with that. Oh, and you get three bonus points for correct spelling.
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Dim
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Posted: January 11 2008 at 18:00 |
rileydog22 wrote:
Some of my favorite drumless albums:
I think it's absolutely childish and silly to disqualify music you haven't heard just because of the presence or lack of a specific instrument.
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Agreed
I think it's actually pretty arrogant.
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Nightfly
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Posted: January 11 2008 at 12:35 |
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I'm a Drummer myself so have a natural byass towards them but there's still lots of great music I can appreciate that doesn't have any. What I do have a problem with though is Programmed Drums/ Drum machines etc, to the point that if I'm considering buying an album and I notice it's not a real Drummer I'll usually pass.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: January 11 2008 at 11:45 |
johnobvious wrote:
When I first found prog on internet radio, I listened to Progressive Soundscapes. They were playing DT and some other bands that I was just getting into at the time and I thought, hey this is great. But then they would put on a 20 minute ambient-electronic thing. No singing, no drums and I would finally go numb from boredom. The Tangerine Dreams and Klaus Shulz's of the world are not for me and I am curious why people like that type of thing.
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Oh, but there are Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze albums with drums. And you don't have to sound like them to play music without drums. It seems you are not so much concerned about music without drums but about music without rhythm. As to why people like them: Their music lets you imagine strange worlds. For Tangerine Dream this is true only up to a certain point though; there is a turning point in their career after which they became completely unlistenable for me; the quality of their albums slowly deteriorated over the time.
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johnobvious
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Posted: January 11 2008 at 09:34 |
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When I first found prog on internet radio, I listened to Progressive Soundscapes. They were playing DT and some other bands that I was just getting into at the time and I thought, hey this is great. But then they would put on a 20 minute ambient-electronic thing. No singing, no drums and I would finally go numb from boredom. The Tangerine Dreams and Klaus Shulz's of the world are not for me and I am curious why people like that type of thing.
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Biggles was in rehab last Saturday
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Soul Dreamer
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Posted: January 10 2008 at 21:55 |
BaldFriede wrote:
Soul Dreamer wrote:
When I read the title of this thread, and saw the voting, I was reminded of a thread which ran not so long ago: "How much Rock in your Prog" (http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44144&KW=Rock+in+prog&PN=1)
Then I was already surprised that many pple here don't value much the "Rock" part of prog ROCK. Here it shows again I think... For me, concerning prog ROCK music, the drums (or any other form of percussion that accents the music and makes the typical "rock" feel), is an essential part of prog ROCK and therefore I agree with the opening post.
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I certainly do value the "Rock" part of Prog Rock; I am a drummer myself. You can really rock without drums though; anyone who has ever been to a solo concert of Peter Hammill will agree with me. And he is just one example.
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I agree that it DOESN'T have to be drums, but it surely makes it more likely to rock...eg. Harmonium's "Si on avait...." doesn't have drums, and although it's beautiful music, it really doesn't rock. Peter Hammill I don't know well enough to discuss here... IMO other instruments can also deliver a "Rock" feel to music (piano or other instruments which can carry the "beat") but generally the drums is the best instrument for that...(IMO).
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To be the one who seeks so I may find .. (Metallica)
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BaldFriede
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Posted: January 10 2008 at 21:06 |
Soul Dreamer wrote:
When I read the title of this thread, and saw the voting, I was reminded of a thread which ran not so long ago: "How much Rock in your Prog" (http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44144&KW=Rock+in+prog&PN=1)
Then I was already surprised that many pple here don't value much the "Rock" part of prog ROCK. Here it shows again I think... For me, concerning prog ROCK music, the drums (or any other form of percussion that accents the music and makes the typical "rock" feel), is an essential part of prog ROCK and therefore I agree with the opening post.
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I certainly do value the "Rock" part of Prog Rock; I am a drummer myself. You can really rock without drums though; anyone who has ever been to a solo concert of Peter Hammill will agree with me. And he is just one example.
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BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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Soul Dreamer
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Posted: January 10 2008 at 21:01 |
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When I read the title of this thread, and saw the voting, I was reminded of a thread which ran not so long ago: "How much Rock in your Prog" (http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44144&KW=Rock+in+prog&PN=1)
Then I was already surprised that many pple here don't value much the "Rock" part of prog ROCK. Here it shows again I think... For me, concerning prog ROCK music, the drums (or any other form of percussion that accents the music and makes the typical "rock" feel), is an essential part of prog ROCK and therefore I agree with the opening post.
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To be the one who seeks so I may find .. (Metallica)
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ES335
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Posted: January 10 2008 at 20:27 |
While not an aficianado, I really enjoy ambient music. And a lot of the non-prog I listen to has no drums (old time country, Delta and Piedmont blues, etc)
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el böthy
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Posted: January 10 2008 at 20:18 |
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Art Zoyd is one of my favorite bands, and they dont usually have drums!
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"You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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BaldFriede
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Posted: January 10 2008 at 19:55 |
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On some songs the drumming should definitely have been omitted. I only say "Sommerabend" by Novalis. Totally uninspired drumming.
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BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: January 10 2008 at 19:37 |
I do enjoy there being drums, but I don't find its needed for me to enjoy the album/song. I guess I might be more inclinded to like music with drums, but there is of course music with drums I don't like.
So last choice for me.
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rileydog22
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Posted: January 10 2008 at 19:17 |
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Yeah but you're bizarro lappy so you should like rock if lappy hates rock.
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bizarro laplace
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Posted: January 10 2008 at 19:06 |
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I really dislike standard rock drumming and often I'd prefer them to be omitted entirely.
blah blah yeah I know lappy hates rock mnmnmnmn
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