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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2005 at 04:55
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Birth Control, Cream,Quartermass, Man,Groundhogs (One of my favourite tracks is "Black Diamond", has anyone seen it recently on CD?BTW Tony Mc Phee is the Groundhog guitarist)Atomic Rooster, Steamhammer

Got to speak to Tony McPhee in the bar of Leicester's DeMontford Hall last summer (he was part of a blues package tour with Alvin Lee and Edgar Winter) - shocked to find after 35 years that he was shorter than me!!! Buy him a pint after a gig and he'll talk to anybody! And he signed my Gutbucket 2 album sleeve, the LP sampler which introduced me to the Groundhogs and a lot of interesting blues - not coming from Blue Horizon!

If we are going the rock blues way with this thread  - check out the previously mentioned Stray Dog (who surprised me by acknowledging ZZ Top in the 1973 liner notes to their first album), and the greatly neglected Duster Bennett. The late Duster Bennett was the third Brit signing to Blue Horizon records (after Peter Greens Fleetwood Mac and Chicken Shack), and wrote a number tunes for and with Peter Green. The excellent album of outtakes etc., Jumpin' At Shadows , (apparently discovered in tapes stored in the loft of the house owned by Duster's wife), issued by the British label Indigo in the mid 90's, is a must to blues rock fans. Includes a demo of Jumpin' At Shadows (superior to both Fleetwood Mac and Gary Moore's versions, IMHO), some live recordings of Bennett as a onemanband (showing great rapport with the audience), some superb blues harp on Gotta To Be With My Baby Tonight, and a couple of tracks backed by the former Krimson rhythm section of Wallace and Burrell, make this a greatly neglected gem. I regret never making the effort to go see Bennett live, and he tragically was killed while driving his car back south from a Manchester gig in 1976. A pity too that Blues Horizon/Sony have not reissued his albums on CD (there are a couple of atypical singles included on a double CD compilation of Blues Horizon's roster of signings - but then Focus are missing!).

Collegium Musicum was not a Czech, but a Slovak band . Fermata was Slovak too, but in most progrock sites is listed as Czech. With Slovak band from this era i mean band with Slovak musicians, because the state was Czechoslovakia. Modry Efekt is typical Czechoslovakian band with both Czech and Slovak musicians.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2005 at 05:34
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Collegium Musicum was not a Czech, but a Slovak band . Fermata was Slovak too, but in most progrock sites is listed as Czech. With Slovak band from this era i mean band with Slovak musicians, because the state was Czechoslovakia. Modry Efekt is typical Czechoslovakian band with both Czech and Slovak musicians.

 

Thanks for that correction. My favourite period is 1972 to 1975; the 4 CDs of their music I have were made pre-separation/independence of the two states,  hence a natural mistake surely?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2005 at 06:47
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

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Collegium Musicum was not a Czech, but a Slovak band . Fermata was Slovak too, but in most progrock sites is listed as Czech. With Slovak band from this era i mean band with Slovak musicians, because the state was Czechoslovakia. Modry Efekt is typical Czechoslovakian band with both Czech and Slovak musicians.

 

Thanks for that correction. My favourite period is 1972 to 1975; the 4 CDs of their music I have were made pre-separation/independence of the two states,  hence a natural mistake surely?

I like their albums from that period too. BTW. Marian Vargas hammond organ was the only one in Slovakia in that time.  It was a bad time for progrock here, communist regime was at peak. Czechoslovakia finally broke in 1.1.1993.

 

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Originally posted by Hiwatter Hiwatter wrote:

[I like their albums from that period too. BTW. Marian Vargas hammond organ was the only one in Slovakia in that time.  It was a bad time for progrock here, communist regime was at peak. Czechoslovakia finally broke in 1.1.1993.

 

There was an interview with Marian Varga in Audion magazine, published by Ultima Thule, quite some time ago, where it was stated the first recording was using a Hammond copy made in the USSR?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2005 at 09:17
Should had added weren't some of the CM albums released on Supraphon Records, which at that time was known in the west for releasing cheap but high quality recordings of serious/classical music; (I bought Debussy's La Mar mid 60's on the label)? Which has had me wondering how did a (prog) rock band get a recording contract (I guess) with a communist state run record label - a similar thought too for the Russian band Horizont?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2005 at 11:13

Everytime I look at the discographie of John Mayall, I m surprised how many famous musicians played with/for John Mayall. Like Zappa and Miles Davis he was a real "Starmaker".
 BTW 3 of the musicians who played with Zappa played also with Mayall : A.Dunbar, D.Sugarcane Harris & J.Bruce. So here are some of these musicians and the bands they played in before and/or after.
Guitar :

Eric Clapton 1965/66  Yardbirds, Cream, Blind Faith, Solo
Peter Green 1966/67 Fleetwood Mac, Solo
Mick Taylor 1967/68 Rolling Stones, Solo
Duster Bennett 1968/70 Solo
Harvey Mandel 1970/71Canned Heat, Solo
 
Bass:

 John Mc Vie 1964/67 Fleetwood mac
Jack Bruce 1965 Graham Bond, Cream
Tony Reeves 1968 Colosseum, Greenslade

Drums :

Aynsley Dunbar1966 Zappa, Solo
Mick Fleetwood 1967 Fleetwood Mac
Keef Hartley 1967 Solo
John Hiseman 1968 Graham Bond, Colosseum

Sax:

Dick Heckstall-Smith 1967/68 Graham Bond, Colosseum

Violin:

Don "Sugarcane "Harris 1970 Zappa

Does anyone know Mogul Trash ?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2005 at 11:44

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Should had added weren't some of the CM albums released on Supraphon Records, which at that time was known in the west for releasing cheap but high quality recordings of serious/classical music; (I bought Debussy's La Mar mid 60's on the label)? Which has had me wondering how did a (prog) rock band get a recording contract (I guess) with a communist state run record label - a similar thought too for the Russian band Horizont?

In 1970 i think Varga had Hammnod organ, before it its possible he played the USSR copy. You are right, Supraphon was mainly classical music label with very high recording quality. Its interesting that the mainly instrumental progrock groups (especially in half and late 1970s) hadnt problem to record in state music studios and to get record contract with such labels - it was because their music wasnt potentionally dangerous to communist regime, because if they sang, the texts were lyric and not provocative and anticomunnist. So the censors allowed these groups to record -- it was similar in Polland, Hungary Yugoslavia, DDR...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2005 at 12:20
Originally posted by Alucard Alucard wrote:

Everytime I look at the discographie of John Mayall, I m surprised how many famous musicians played with/for John Mayall. Like Zappa and Miles Davis he was a real "Starmaker".
 BTW 3 of the musicians who played with Zappa played also with Mayall : A.Dunbar, D.Sugarcane Harris & J.Bruce. So here are some of these musicians and the bands they played in before and/or after.
Guitar :

Eric Clapton 1965/66  Yardbirds, Cream, Blind Faith, Solo
Peter Green 1966/67 Fleetwood Mac, Solo
Mick Taylor 1967/68 Rolling Stones, Solo
Duster Bennett 1968/70 Solo
Harvey Mandel 1970/71Canned Heat, Solo
 
Bass:

 John Mc Vie 1964/67 Fleetwood mac
Jack Bruce 1965 Graham Bond, Cream
Tony Reeves 1968 Colosseum, Greenslade

Drums :

Aynsley Dunbar1966 Zappa, Solo
Mick Fleetwood 1967 Fleetwood Mac
Keef Hartley 1967 Solo
John Hiseman 1968 Graham Bond, Colosseum

Sax:

Dick Heckstall-Smith 1967/68 Graham Bond, Colosseum

Violin:

Don "Sugarcane "Harris 1970 Zappa

Does anyone know Mogul Trash ?

 

Check out John Mayall's double album Back To The Roots, originally released c 1971 but only in the last 3 years has got a US release, remastered/extra tracks, on CD - and  many of the excellent musicians you list can be heard on it, often playing together as duo, trio or more. After a John Mayall/Peter Green gig locally, I got Mayall to sign the CD and asked why the label (Polydor) hadn't got round to releasing it in the UK - it was clear Mayall was most unhappy with the label and its release policy  from the language used.

BTW thanks for the tip on Duster Bennett - hadn't been aware of that connection.

What has happened to Harvey Mandel who got into electric guitar legato before Allan Holdsworth? I have Cristo Redentor, the excellent if quirky Shengrenade, and couple of other 80's solos issued by BGO and oddly EG Records (although I wish I could nail the album he produced Get Off In Chicago). He's on a couple tracks of a Peter Green tribute album Rattlesnake Shake, produced by Jack Bruce's partner in songs Pete Brown, released about 8 or ten years ago - which also happens to be the home of Rory Gallagher's last recordings.

Mogul Thrash might be called a Colosseum spin-off, was lead by guitarist vocalist James Litherland (one of my favourite British blues vocalists of the period) - he released a poor AOR vocal album in mid 90's unde rhis own name, and last I read of him he was playing guitar for a touring musical starring Gary Glitter. The line up for Mogul Thrash included a young John Wetton (bass and the rare vocal), and has been issued on CD remastered and bonus tracks - the album has a great jazz blues rock number What's This I Hear, which has one of my favourite alto sax riffs.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2005 at 12:36

Harvey Mandel : Shangrenade.

Great record, great cover too. Sometimes I love it, sometimes I can't stand his "complaining", howling guitar sound.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2005 at 11:19
Does anyone know how Harvey Mandel got this strange sound?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2005 at 12:18

Originally posted by Alucard Alucard wrote:

Does anyone know how Harvey Mandel got this strange sound?

Got an mp3?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2005 at 13:50

Yes!??

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2005 at 15:22
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Yes!??

stick it here or PM it... can't promise anything, but I'll take a listen... 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2005 at 00:09
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Alucard Alucard wrote:

Yes!??

stick it here or PM it... can't promise anything, but I'll take a listen... 

Thanks BTW for the May Blitz mp3, like the sound of it 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2005 at 04:03
Great band! I have their "2nd day of may" (well, actually my father owns it) album and I think they would fit fine on this site. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2005 at 08:05
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

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Yes!??

stick it here or PM it... can't promise anything, but I'll take a listen... 

Oops, little misunderstanding, I thought you knew it. I send some ..

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