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MikeEnRegalia 
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 Posted: April 22 2005 at 10:51 |
 tuxon wrote:
So in the end all you want, is positive reviews from the fans and no other.
Please no critisism, no negative opinions please.
A review can not be objective. Positive reviews are as biased as negative ones.
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Not true. I don't mind negative reviews, if the negativity is related to the artist/album discussed. If you're just not into the genre, you should admit that you're not qualified to say something about it. In fact, "I don't like it" is all you can say in that case.
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Posted: April 22 2005 at 10:37 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
tuxon wrote:
Objective reviews, who needs objectivity in a review, I like reviews as subjective as possible, what does the reviewer like about the album, or doesn't like about it. I'm not interested in the consensus view.
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Woody Allen once said that "objectivity is subjective" ... quite true. I'm not interested in a consensus view either. But if you are biased against the entire genre, you don't really have a reason to express that bias against a particular artist of the genre. Where's the point in saying "I don't like Metal, and that's why Dream Theater sucks".
tuxon wrote:
I think I can write decent reviews for genres I don't like, and they will be highly subjective, of course you should explain why you don't like it. I don't like objective reviews, they tell me nothing.
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Of course such posts can be informative and entertaining, but the negative effect on the rating is not ok ... maybe there should be an option "no rating" in addition to the five stars.
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So in the end all you want, is positive reviews from the fans and no other.
Please no critisism, no negative opinions please.
A review can not be objective. Positive reviews are as biased as negative ones.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 22 2005 at 10:33 |
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Opinions can be interesting, too. I'd say that I don't want emotions in a review ... at least not if emotions are the basis/motive for writing the review. The motivation should always be to help to reader, to increase their knowledge about the item reviewed.
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Posted: April 22 2005 at 10:25 |
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I rather have information than opinions in a review! Opinions are for those who wants to shine themselfs when writing, information is for those who puts the reader first!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 22 2005 at 10:19 |
tuxon wrote:
Objective reviews, who needs objectivity in a review, I like reviews as subjective as possible, what does the reviewer like about the album, or doesn't like about it. I'm not interested in the consensus view.
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Woody Allen once said that "objectivity is subjective" ... quite true. I'm not interested in a consensus view either. But if you are biased against the entire genre, you don't really have a reason to express that bias against a particular artist of the genre. Where's the point in saying "I don't like Metal, and that's why Dream Theater sucks".
tuxon wrote:
I think I can write decent reviews for genres I don't like, and they will be highly subjective, of course you should explain why you don't like it. I don't like objective reviews, they tell me nothing.
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Of course such posts can be informative and entertaining, but the negative effect on the rating is not ok ... maybe there should be an option "no rating" in addition to the five stars.
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Peter
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Posted: April 22 2005 at 10:08 |
James said it. 
 I would add that such reviews can be useful, if prefaced with the "disclaimer," as there will be others with similar tastes & dislikes, who might otherwise unwittingly buy the album, and hate it. 
See my review of Haggard -- You don't like gruff, affected "demonic" vocals in your prog? Stay away from Haggard, then!
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Posted: April 22 2005 at 10:04 |
Like you just said objectivity is impossible so reviews usually lie somewehre in the middle of highly subjective and an attempt to be objective, i prefer the latter, but the only way to form an opinion on an album is read as many reviews as possible and see what most people write.
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Posted: April 22 2005 at 09:57 |
It's very difficult to have an objective opinion because it requires knowledge, and most people don't bother learning about things they dislike. It seems to be hard enough for people to have an informed opinion about things they do like!
But true objectivity is impossible. All you can do is present your opinion with a disclaimer (i.e., "I'm not a fan of this kind of thing, but here's what I think anyway"). This alerts the reader to your preferences and keeps them aware that you're stating an opinion- rather than the usual "this is the best/ worst ever and anyone who doesn't recognize that is stupid". 
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tuxon
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Posted: April 22 2005 at 09:42 |
Objective reviews, who needs objectivity in a review, I like reviews as subjective as possible, what does the reviewer like about the album, or doesn't like about it. I'm not interested in the consensus view.
I think I can write decent reviews for genres I don't like, and they will be highly subjective, of course you should explain why you don't like it. I don't like objective reviews, they tell me nothing.
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Posted: April 22 2005 at 09:05 |
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It's true. I could never give an objective review, for example , for a
rap album. I just hate the genre as a whole, and can't find differences
between rap artists, so it's not worth even trying. It also pisses me
off when some people who never listen to metal music, write reviews on
metal albums. It's just not right!!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 22 2005 at 08:58 |
My theory is that one cannot write an objective review about music from a genre that he/she doesn't like. The review is almost always negative, blaming the artist(s) for things that most artists of the genre would do in the same way. Such reviews are of no help for people who already like other artists of the genre, and want to find similar music of good quality.
Examples:
- Someone who doesn't like Death Metal reviews Opeth
- A "Metal Head" reviews 70s King Crimson
What do you think about such reviews? They are usually recognizable by statments like "I don't like Metal, but ..." or "Normally I don't listen to XYZ ...".
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