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Andhi 
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 Topic: Stolen Riffs - Marillion, Neuschwanstein
Posted: April 26 2005 at 18:40 |
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It bugs me (but amuses me a little too) when bands obviously plagarise riffs from other bands:
Marillion - Grendel (a large part of it is the riff from the
Apocalypse In 9/8 part of Genesis' Supper's Ready)
Neuschwanstein - Intruders and the Punishment (the first couple of minutes seem nearly identical to the instrumental part of The Cinema Show - also Genesis)
Anyone else noticed any plagarised riffs?
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It's only knock and knowall, but I like it...
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 19:33 |
Almost every Green Day song is plagarised. 
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 19:39 |
Almost every Ramones song is a plagarization of every other Ramones song. 
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 19:45 |
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Good point! 
Since this is my hundredth, I have decided to make good use of this
post by telling a bit about the meaning of life. You see, the meaning
of life is quite substantial to the...Keith Emerson
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 00:39 |
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It bugs me when Renaissance (whom I love!) plagiarise classical music uncredited! They do it all the time. All those long grand piano solos are ripped straight from classical!!!
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 00:42 |
If you look at plagarise in the dictionnary, you'll found this picture
Really !! When I first listen to this cd, I tought I had put trilogy from ELP ! Just listen to it, it has many many of the same riff as ELP use, the same.
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 03:16 |
For the curiosity: Finnish punk legend Pelle Miljoona took the (heavy rock -type) guitar riff from Genesis' "Dancing withe the moonlit knight" to build up a whole song (song's title means 'motorway is hot').
But apart from plagiarizing, there's another way of borrowing pieces of earlier works: a quotation that is meant to be noticed and recognized as a quotation. I guess it has to be very short and recognizable not to be confused with 'stealing'. For example, Pendragon's "Last Man on Earth" quotates Moody Blues' "New Horizons". ("But I'm never gonna lose your precious gift/heart..."). This is probably more common in art music, symphonies.
Barclay James Harvest was mocked as 'poor man's Moody Blues' (quite unrightly, I think), and then they did a song of that name, which is ALMOST the same as Nights in White Satin!
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 03:33 |
Well, if you listen to the solo acoustic guitar piece in Wurensh (from IQ; album: Are You Sitting Comfortably), at the end of the song, isn't there more than a superficial resemblance to the melody from "They say a snow year's a good year" from Snowbound from the album And Then There Were Three from Genesis? But hey... that's not plagiarism, it's nothing but a tribute, a wink  . Still: I had to mention it. Couldn't help myself.
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 05:09 |
Zeppelin and Purple had plenty of stolen riffs rearranged!
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
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Dick Heath
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 06:54 |
 Sean Trane wrote:
Zeppelin and Purple had plenty of stolen riffs rearranged!
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Not half pop nickers
And Zeppelin got regularly sued for plaguarism; Willie Dixon won a couple of times, it is said.
And Purple's Child InTime is lifted from Its A Beautiful Day's Bombay Calling (check out the liner notes for the In Rock remastered Cd and the Columbia twoforone CD of the 1st and 2nd IABD albums).
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 07:55 |
DT are famous for their re-use of Metallica riffs - especially on "Images and Words" 
Note that only a small part of Grendel (3 minutes max out of a 20-odd-minute song) uses the "Apocalypse in 9/8" rhythm - and that the music around it is noticeably different. The lyrical ideas in that section follow similar lines, because of the subject matter, so presumably Marillion wanted to conjure imagery from "Apocalypse...".
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 08:03 |
Marillion have had 'Grendel' hanging around their neck for many years
now and I'm sure if they could climb into a time machine, go back and
erase it from existance they would have done it in a shot.
You are right though, that section is a very unsubtle lift. But it's
there and much like the Fish/Horgarth debate, it's never going to go
away. Me? I quite like it.
As for other musical lifts, Beatles/ELO, er........
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Blacksword
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 08:24 |
sigod wrote:
Marillion have had 'Grendel' hanging around their neck for many years now and I'm sure if they could climb into a time machine, go back and erase it from existance they would have done it in a shot.
You are right though, that section is a very unsubtle lift. But it's there and much like the Fish/Horgarth debate, it's never going to go away. Me? I quite like it.
As for other musical lifts, Beatles/ELO, er........
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I like to regard the '9/8 rip off' section of Grendal as a tribute. Its so obviously based on Apocalypse in 9/8 they would be hard pushed to deny it. I think they were just paying homage to one of the greatest prog bands ever! And quite respecfully, I thought..
I think its easy to plagarise by accident, and often you can tell if an artist is 'ripping off' or 'celebrating' someone elses work. The Marillion/Genesis comparisons - after Grendal - were unfair I think. Marillion were perhaps the most original sounding of the neo bands IMO, at least the ones I've heard.
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 10:56 |
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Yes rip off the Bonanza theme for Yours is no Disgrace!
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 11:25 |
Blacksword wrote:
Marillion were perhaps the most original sounding of the neo bands IMO, at least the ones I've heard. |
It's hard not to stand out when you have an angry Scotsman stalking
about the stage pulling poor buggers from the audience and 'slashing'
their face off while wearing a mask.
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I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
- Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill
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Dick Heath
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 13:41 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Yes rip off the Bonanza theme for Yours is no Disgrace! |
Yes liked their cowboy TV and movie music - wasn't it Big Country on Time & A Word?
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 14:56 |
sigod wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Marillion were perhaps the most original sounding of the neo bands IMO, at least the ones I've heard.
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It's hard not to stand out when you have an angry Scotsman stalking about the stage pulling poor buggers from the audience and 'slashing' their face off while wearing a mask.
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That was particularly terrifying in small venues -
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Posted: April 28 2005 at 11:37 |
Dick Heath wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Zeppelin and Purple had plenty of stolen riffs rearranged!
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Not half pop nickers
And Zeppelin got regularly sued for plaguarism; Willie Dixon won a couple of times, it is said.
And Purple's Child InTime is lifted from Its A Beautiful Day's Bombay Calling (check out the liner notes for the In Rock remastered Cd and the Columbia twoforone CD of the 1st and 2nd IABD albums).
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\You might want to check out Lazy (Machine Head) with Don and Dewey on IABD's second album! More of the same!
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: April 28 2005 at 11:40 |
The biggest culprits in history are OASIS. They've ripped everybody off from the Beatles to T. Rex 
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Posted: April 28 2005 at 11:40 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Yes rip off the Bonanza theme for Yours is no Disgrace! |
Well, only apparent AFTER Bruford told us this... not sure it's obvious otherwise. I reckon it's legitimate creativity to take a previous model then stretch it so far it ceases to resemble its originator.
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