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Epignosis 
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 Topic: The Mars Volta- Next?
Posted: February 16 2009 at 16:08 |
While The Mars Volta produced three well-received albums (among us at PA), The Bedlam in Goliath is almost a love or hate sort of album (although I personally have mixed-feelings about it).
It did win a Grammy (for whatever that's worth in the prog community)...
So read the question above and vote your conscience. 
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 16:08 |
Something even more manical.  That was their best effort and one of my favorite albums of all time.
Edited by MovingPictures07 - February 16 2009 at 16:09
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The Miracle
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 16:11 |
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Something like Frances without the ambient parts would be my wet dream. Bedlam is the only TMV studio album i'd give under 5 stars, so I hope they won't keep that sound. I'm sure they'll switch it up because every album so far has been a huge change from the previous one. So I guess in comparison to Bedlam I want something slightly mellower.
Edited by The Miracle - February 16 2009 at 16:12
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Drew
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 16:14 |
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I put the first choice- I listened to that album once and never again. I really enjoyed their first album, and I haven't enjoyed them since.
Edited by Drew - February 16 2009 at 18:23
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 16:17 |
Went with the second option. Cedric said that their next one is supposed to be more "acoustic", which wouldn't surprise me. I also hope they bring back the Spanish lyrics used in Frances and Amp since I particularly enjoyed those. I'd still like it to be somewhat maniac though. 
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 16:22 |
Something even more manical.
What is the point of mellower or toning it down?
All that seems to do to bands is to make them push themselves less and even stop pushing altogether and what results is an album of 'some nice tunes' instead of an album that is totally off the edge and crazy.
It reminds me of ...And Justice For All to the self titled album.
...And Justice For All took a step up from Master of Puppets in terms of technicality and just being straight up more off the edge and you can hear the band pushing themselves extremely heard.
Then comes the self titled album, and everything is more mellowed out and well, it has some okay tunes for sure, but no longer is it absolutely crazy mind f**k like AJFA was.
This is to me, is what happens when bands 'mellow out' or 'tone down' rather than pushing harder.
I want to see bands push themselves each time and become less accessible sounding and create absolute mind f**k.
And you know what, who cares if it alienates the more 'mainstream' fans in the process? Because it's their loss if they can't enjoy something more complex and out there.
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The Miracle
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 16:28 |
 HughesJB4 wrote:
Something even more manical.
What is the point of mellower or toning it down?
All that seems to do to bands is to make them push themselves less and even stop pushing altogether and what results is an album of 'some nice tunes' instead of an album that is totally off the edge and crazy.
It reminds me of ...And Justice For All to the self titled album.
...And Justice For All took a step up from Master of Puppets in terms of technicality and just being straight up more off the edge and you can hear the band pushing themselves extremely heard.
Then comes the self titled album, and everything is more mellowed out and well, it has some okay tunes for sure, but no longer is it absolutely crazy mind f**k like AJFA was.
This is to me, is what happens when bands 'mellow out' or 'tone down' rather than pushing harder.
I want to see bands push themselves each time and become less accessible sounding and create absolute mind f**k.
And you know what, who cares if it alienates the more 'mainstream' fans in the process? Because it's their loss if they can't enjoy something more complex and out there.
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Sometimes I want to listen to music, not sonic assault... Manic and insane doesn't equate to good music... Bedlam was overloaded with intensity making it a mess and a headache. When they tone it down a bit it's always more subtle, original and creative. Bring back songs like Miranda please... IMO of course. 
Edited by The Miracle - February 16 2009 at 16:39
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 16:33 |
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^Each to their own dude.
I loved Bedlam, and want to hear more insanity from their next album.
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Pnoom!
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 16:40 |
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Something like their debut but only 35 minutes long.
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Hercules
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 17:15 |
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They should quit.
The first album was listenable, but they've gone rapidly downhill and their last album was utter garbage which disgraced the good name of prog. It was just an assault on the eardrums with no musical virtue at all.
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Evolutionary Sleeper
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 17:53 |
Drew wrote:
I put the first choice- I listened to that album once and never again. I really enjoyed their first album, and I haven't enjoyed therm since.
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Same here. Really mediocre.
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JROCHA
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 18:08 |
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I would really enjoy something with more of latin jazz feel to it. I read their next album will be their acoustic album whatever that means. I dont think they have made a bad album yet in their careers. Bedlam was a very exciting album to me. Something Manical
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Prometheus
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 19:28 |
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i voted something a bit heavier... after all the problem wasn't so much that it was too heavy or intense, it's just that it wasn't cohesive as an album, nor was it enjoyable song by song-- i can't listen to the thing past Goliath and tourniquet man is an utter abomination. (also, cedric messed with th vocal style too much, both in how he sings and in the unnecesssary electronic manipulation thereafter -- the only band i can think of that did more unnecessary vocal manipulation is Darkane)
in all, they haven't actually gotten that heavy, and so i feel that it would be a new direction for them (but i'm also on a tech death kick right now...)
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 20:04 |
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something more EVIL!!!
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 22:02 |
Hercules wrote:
They should quit.
The first album was listenable, but they've gone rapidly downhill and their last album was utter garbage which disgraced the good name of prog. It was just an assault on the eardrums with no musical virtue at all.
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The good name of prog?
This statement is very harsh, but to each his own. I guess.
I don't care what they do, as long as it's up to par. I don't think they're ever going to make an album as amazing as De-Loused or Frances again, mainly because their sound is becoming less organic, but I do still love Amputecture and Bedlam. A more acoustic based album sounds great.
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BroSpence
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 23:56 |
Loved all the albums so far. So I don't care as long as the friggin release something! I'm sure it'll be great.
Also the album didn't win a grammy. "Wax Simulacra" won a grammy. "Best Hard Rock Performance" not "Best Hard Rock Album".
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: February 17 2009 at 00:45 |
Hercules wrote:
They should quit.
The first album was listenable, but they've gone rapidly downhill and their last album was utter garbage which disgraced the good name of prog. It was just an assault on the eardrums with no musical virtue at all.
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Bedlam is ok for what it is. I didn't go into it with much in the way of expectations, so I wasn't really dissappointed by it. I wasn't thrilled by Deloused either, but at least they were going in the right direction with that one. They need to go back to the start of their careers and head out in a different direction.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: February 17 2009 at 00:57 |
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the last one
BRING ON THE DEMONIC CLUSTERf**k OF BEEPS AND WAILINGS
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: February 17 2009 at 01:24 |
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I think they should try something new - that's what makes great bands. A combination of acoustic guitar & jazz with latin feel sounds interesting.
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Posted: February 17 2009 at 02:27 |
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I think they lost a bit of the heaviness they had on previous releases. Maybe they'll put that back up front for their next album? (hope so...)
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