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derantike2 
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 Topic: Why does everyone hate 90125?
Posted: February 28 2009 at 10:27 |
I like it a lot. Its obviously not 'prog' as such but it has great guitar from Rabin and the songs are damn catchy. Its a diffrent sort of Yes, more 80's prog-pop than 70's symphonic prog.
Everyone on this site seems to just hate it cuz theres no long songs and Yes 'sold out' by going pop.
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micky
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 10:30 |
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hahahha... thought about starting a thread about this.
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Pekka
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 10:33 |
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It's a very good pop rock album no doubt, but such a big departure from their earlier sound that I'm not surprised of the hate it's getting. I bet most wouldn't bother if it was released as a Cinema and not as a Yes album.
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Captain Capricorn
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 10:34 |
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I'm personally not a fan...it lacks everything for which I love Yes. If it were an album by another band it might get less criticism - but just knowing what Yes is capable of makes it, for me, unbearable...90125 is like Yes' Love Beach...
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 10:34 |
 derantike2 wrote:
I like it a lot. Its obviously not 'prog' as such but it has great guitar from Rabin and the songs are damn catchy. Its a diffrent sort of Yes, more 80's prog-pop than 70's symphonic prog.
Everyone on this site seems to just hate it cuz theres no long songs and Yes 'sold out' by going pop. |
Don't you think that's(the bolded) enough to not like it, being in a Prog site?  Mind you, that I don't hate it, I enjoy a whole bunch of pop singles from Prog bands, like Turn it on Again, Mama, Abacab, I Can't Dance, Carry on my Wayward Son, The Calling, also Owner of a Lonely Heart and Leave it from 90125, as well as Rythm of Love and Big Generator from Big generator. I don't listen to them often, though if I need some catchy rock, Yes 80's just does it. Though I do prefer Talk by Yes, from their pop albums.
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E-Dub
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 10:36 |
derantike2 wrote:
I like it a lot. Its obviously not 'prog' as such but it has great guitar from Rabin and the songs are damn catchy. Its a diffrent sort of Yes, more 80's prog-pop than 70's symphonic prog.
Everyone on this site seems to just hate it cuz theres no long songs and Yes 'sold out' by going pop. |
Excellent disc. Nobody will convince me otherwise. E
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micky
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 10:39 |
E-Dub wrote:
derantike2 wrote:
I like it a lot. Its obviously not 'prog' as such but it has great guitar from Rabin and the songs are damn catchy. Its a diffrent sort of Yes, more 80's prog-pop than 70's symphonic prog.
Everyone on this site seems to just hate it cuz theres no long songs and Yes 'sold out' by going pop. |
Excellent disc. Nobody will convince me otherwise.
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yepper... a masterpiece of pop and prog fusion.
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Finnforest
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 10:43 |
Captain Capricorn wrote:
I'm personally not a fan...it lacks everything for which I love Yes. If it were an album by another band it might get less criticism - but just knowing what Yes is capable of makes it, for me, unbearable...90125 is like Yes' Love Beach... |
Seconded. And for me, the made a conscious choice between commerce and quality. They were wealthy men who didn't need to do what they did. And I find the songs really pretty lame. At least Genesis were good at selling out.....I can sometimes listen to their 80s stuff. I can't listen to "Hold on, hold on......" shoot me.
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Eraserhead
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 10:53 |
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I quite enjoy the music of the 80s, but I don't think Yes did a good job at it.
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 10:56 |
derantike2 wrote:
Everyone on this site seems to just hate it cuz theres no long songs and Yes 'sold out' by going pop. |
I hate it because the title reminds me of Beverly Hills 90210.
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MrEdifus
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 11:03 |
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I don't think it's as bad as so many people seem to think. Sure it's pop, but it's much more intelligent than your average pop music. And Rabin's ability to write hooks is responsible for reviving Yes and making the general public start taking them seriously again. Yes needed that album.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 11:10 |
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It came out when I had only been getting into prog for a few years. I actually liked it at first, though wasn't crazy for it compared to earlier Yes albums. Frankly, I just lost interest in it. Might have to go for a remaster CD at some point, but really in no hurry.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 11:36 |
Thirded  ! Always had a thing for this album, since the time it came out. OK, it's not Close to the Edge, but that doesn't mean it's a sacrilege against music, or other such opinions you can sometimes read here. Going pop is not a crime - unless it's BAD pop, which 90125 definitely isn't.
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micky
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 11:37 |
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this album needs a micky review....
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rushfan4
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 11:42 |
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Nobody likes "progressive pop" on this site more than me, and 90125 is no exception.
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Logan
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 11:44 |
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I haven't listened to that album in, probably, more than twenty years. I was a big Yes fan in the 80's, particularly for Fragile (an album that I used to play incessantly), and I didn't hate 90125, it just didn't interest me much (it wasn't something I would choose to play, nor is it something I plan to buy). I actually quite like "Owner of a Lonely Heart". In the 80's I was mostly stuck in the late 60's and 70's, other than "classical" music, which I've always loved. There was a lot of 80's music I loved at the time, for instance, from Talking Heads, Vangelis, Kitaro, and Moroder, as well as various jazz acts of the day, but 80's Yes was not something I was into.
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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micky
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 11:45 |
the problem is far too many won't accept that there is such a thing.. that it can actually happen.  As far as being a 'bad' album... oh bullsh*t... that album was embraced by new fans of the group...and old ones. Can't say that about Genesis now can we. There is a reason that happened... it isn't quality.. Genesis was good pop. Yes kept true to their prog roots... listen to that album again... that is not a simple pop album.
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JLocke
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 11:53 |
^ Micky is right, in that there is still plenty of proggy moments to be heard of the record. Hell, listen to the intro to 'Changes'!
Read my review of it to see where I stand on the matter. As I say in there, if you truly can't stand the album, it's most likely because the name 'Yes' is attatched to it. If the band name 'Cinema' had been kept, would this conversation even be happening nows? Doubtful. Look at Asia. They are very well embraced here by folks, because they always sounded poppy from the getgo.
People are just upset because it's not 'true' Yes, whatever that even means. I listen to it, and hear a pretty damn good album. Not calssic Yes in the slightest, but try looking at it as a spin-off project like it was orioginally meant to be, and maybe you'kll realize that the only reason you hate it is because you wanted it to sound like CttE all over again.
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stonebeard
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 12:08 |
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It's at least 3/5 for me; a great proggy pop record.
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crimhead
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 12:29 |
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I blame MTV and Clear Channel.
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Why does everyone hate 90125?
