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dougiezerts 
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Joined: December 31 2008 Location: Silver Spring M Status: Offline Points: 47 |
 Topic: Am i missing the point?Posted: May 10 2009 at 18:08 |
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Thank you SOOOOOOOOOOO much! I wanted to post a thread like this for a long time. I also believe that tribute bands are stupid.
And there's a difference between playing rock and classical music. Rock music is composed in the studio. Nobody will mimic DARK SIDE OF THE MOON 100% because Pink Floyd were the only ones who did it. But classical music was meant to be inturpeted in different ways because it was composed on paper--not in the studio!
If a band wants to do a cover of someone else's material, they should put their own stamp on it--not try to sound like the original band.
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inrainbows
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Joined: February 20 2008 Location: on a rainbow Status: Offline Points: 489 |
Posted: April 21 2009 at 17:11 |
I agree!  |
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Wilcey
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Posted: April 21 2009 at 02:51 |
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I've got to agree really, I've had some really fun nights out watching tribute bands anything really, Queen, Deep Purple, Genesis, I can't think off the top of my head but all sorts of stuff.
Now I accept that they are not the real Queen, I know they are not cos the fella has a stick-on moustache and a girlfriend, and he knows we're not the real Queen audience cos he's barely scraping petrol money out of the gig.... BUT they are having fun, we are having fun, I don't think there's much harm done is there? It's a known quantitiy, it's singalong it's great stuff for a live music performance heck - I'd prefer that to some looped "pub cd"  I honestly don't think that the people spending money on going to see tribute bands are doing it instead of seeing original live acts, it's more of a pleasant accompaniment!  or it's different people all together, people who just wouldn't go and see live stuff normally. Odd though it sounds, I think there are plenty of them out there! |
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Lorien Dude
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Joined: January 11 2008 Status: Offline Points: 6 |
Posted: April 20 2009 at 15:50 |
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Hi There.
I have been in "serious" bands, and covers bands, and Tributes.
I always smile at the negative response Tribute bands get, each to his/her own of course, but when I did gigs in a Whitesnake Tribute we, and the audience had a cracking good time. I was recently in a serious Prog rock band, but at the moment play in a Progressive Rock Covers band. People who come to the gigs know your not the real thing, the real thing wouldn't play a 130 seater theatre or a 100 standing pub, or play the local outdoor music festival in the rain for nothing but a thankyou from the appreciative organisers and those that came to enjoy the music, they know your not the real thing, but just love to go and watch live music and dare I say it, have fun.
Tributes haven't ruined it for real bands, The music industry did that when it stopped playing music for all, on all the radio stations, and just pidgeon holed the mass music for money. In the old days you would get a mixture of Motown to Rock to Prog, anything went. Now its just music for a fast buck, and you only get to hear about the music we like thru Planet Rock and the internet stations like Frans Keylards The Dividing Line. People who go and watch a tribute act, would I wager be the same people who would go and see the real deal, because they adore the music, thats if the real deal ever bothered to come and play in the area they live of course, and with ticket prices for the big boys at £30 plus these days, those that can't afford the real deal will appreciate the good tributes and covers bands that are on offer local to them.
There have always been covers bands, doing their own thing, their own tributes to the music they love, most with day jobs and families to keep, but not the means to crack it professionally. Some are good, some are bad, some are awesome, but its all about having fun in the end and not taking it all too seriously. Go out and listen to a few, you may end up having a cracking night out yourselves.
By the way The Indigo Pilots, "A Night Of Progressive Rock" is on Friday The 22 May at the Ashcroft Arts Centre, Osborn Road, Fareham, Hampshire.
We're gonna enjoy it, and I'm sure you will to.
Regards to all
Sean
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visitor2035
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Joined: December 26 2008 Status: Offline Points: 61 |
Posted: April 02 2009 at 21:47 |
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My own personal feelings is that tribute bands should be crushed...i missed so many great bands in concert...but i would never sell myself short by going to see a half arsed tribute band.......no more ridicuous suggstions that with a tribute band you may get a feeling how the original band nay have been. Tributes are are ridiclous...let's stamp them out.... a bit like piracy
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Owlchops
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Joined: March 21 2009 Status: Offline Points: 24 |
Posted: April 02 2009 at 09:17 |
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"that's my experience of how it tends to work, at least early. In rock, it's almost impossible to break in with all originals. To get your name out, you work the bars with covers and as they get to know you, you can push more of your own stuff. "
. I agree that that's the situation in the U.S. - because I've heard that many times before.
My point was simply to highlight the difference between the U.S. and the U.K. by pointing out it doesn't tend to happen over here. Here it's pretty much - once a covers band always a covers band.
Actually I think the U.S. way is better. |
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Dick Heath
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Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12803 |
Posted: April 02 2009 at 05:46 |
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Looking further back, why are we inundated by Elvis impersonators, but I've not come across any large movement to do a 'Buddy Holly', or 'Gene Vincent' or 'Eddie Cochran'. Do you really have to be really major and/or iconic (whatever that really means) to be copied? Has this happen to Caruso or Mario Lanza who were major in the first half of the 20th century????? Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby or Ella Fitzgerald? Perhaps perhaps the instrumental side is the easier bit to imitate, then the vocals somewhat more difficult???? |
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leonalvarado
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Joined: March 03 2009 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 177 |
Posted: April 02 2009 at 01:56 |
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I think tribute bands eventually will be a widely accepted thing. As some of the big name bands from the late sixties and early seventies wind down, the more there will be a market for such acts. With the passing of Richard Wright there is a chance that Pink Floyd won't be touring again. Many people that never seen the Floyd perform would love to see something resembling that experience. As technology improves, so it will be the ability to deliver shows with the latest in lights, and projections at a fraction of the cost of what it used to be. I've seen Pink Floyd four times but my wife never had the chance. I took her to see The Australian Pink Floyd Show so that she could get an idea as to how it feels to be there. Sure, it isn't the same as the real thing but these are still very capable musicians delivering a very high-quality show and at the end we had a good time. I do agree that there is no point in tribute bands for bands that will still hit your town some time during the year. But there are many bands that don't tour anymore that would be fun to experience. Because of those reasons I see the proliferation of tribute bands as something that will become more and more mainstream. I suppose it would be like anything else, some will be good and some not so good. Some will be just plain awful but the audiences will be the actual judge on the subject. If they are good, they will stick around. Tributes and cover bands have also made some kind of dent within the industry. Journey found their new singer by watching a filipino cover band on Youtube. YES replaced their ill singer for a tour with the singer from a Canadian tribute band. The incredible part is that in both cases the singers sound exactly like the original singers did at their prime. Nothing replaces originals but when the originals are no longer available, a good tribute would provide with a good time on a Friday evening. Making money out of plating someone else's music is nothing new. It all depends on how good or bad the band is at it. Everybody seems to like the Monkees around the sixties. The Monkees were nothing more than a marketing strategy to come up with an American answer to Beatlemania. The Monkees were actors trained to pretend to be like the Beatles. Music was written and recorded for them by others. I think they sang but I'm not even sure they sang all of their songs on record. Many vocalists hire people to write songs and lyrics only to take all the credit if they become a hit. Tributes are just like anything else, another avenue to expand the entertaining offerings based on something that is tried and true. Many tributes never make enough money to call it a "cash cow" but that's another story altogether.
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Negoba
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Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5208 |
Posted: April 01 2009 at 13:32 |
Others who've been through the scene can chime in, but that's my experience of how it tends to work, at least early. In rock, it's almost impossible to break in with all originals. To get your name out, you work the bars with covers and as they get to know you, you can push more of your own stuff. As your name gets out, you can get some gigs opening for other larger acts. During those short gigs, usually you showcase your own stuff, but may also pull out some of your best covers just to leave an impression.
The other common thing is that there will be two names for what are essentially the same band, one doing covers, and the other originals. Sometimes a member or two will differ.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Owlchops
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Joined: March 21 2009 Status: Offline Points: 24 |
Posted: April 01 2009 at 13:23 |
Yes DJs too .
Dance music was definitely also a major contributing factor to the decline of the UK scene for startup original bands. In fact DJs and dance music probably did more damage than tribute bands in the long run.
The tribute bands came along a bit after dance music - and kind of polished off the remains, so to speak.
Unless you're a trendy indie kids fashion band, the uk pub circuit is now pretty much a no go area for new actual rock bands as such.
I'm not saying it's impossible , but just much much harder than ever before.
Interestingly, the idea of covers bands gradually earning the right to sort of feature their own music more and more , eventually morphing into an originals band themselves - as you describe. Never really caught on here.
Bands tend to be strictly one thing or the other. Originals or covers. There's seldom much blurring.
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Logan
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Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 32996 |
Posted: March 31 2009 at 12:48 |
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I'm not interested in tribute bands, but can enjoy tribute albums, especially if done creatively. I like Hamtaï! Hommage à la musique de Christian Vander
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Just a music fan passing through trying to fill some void. Various music I am into now: a youtube playlist
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Moogtron III
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Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
Posted: March 31 2009 at 12:41 |
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Most of the times I'm not interested in tribute bands, but I have to say: it was nice to The Musical Box perform the Lamb Lies Down On Broadway show with all the original costumes and slide shows. You have an idea how it was back then, even if it wasn't the real thing.
But I must say, I never buy tribute albums, and I don't think I ever will.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: March 31 2009 at 07:56 |
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The challenge is to do a cover and bring a new worthwhile arrangement to it. Easy Star All Stars are an excellent example of a group of musicians added to the original. The first Phish album I bought was alive cover of the whole of the Beatles' White Album - anybody want a cheap copy of Phish doing the White Album, hardly played? There are a couple of covers taken from Lamb Lies Down - e.g. by Jeff Buckley or Paul Gilbert that work (as much as I love Kevin Gilbert or Shaun Guerin's voices, I don't they don't add much else here) and then I have mixed feelings with the recent double, Rewiring Genesis (apart from the transposing of the instrumental arrangements to an orchestra, little else was obvious wrt change) - compare this against Yngve Guddal & Roger Matte's arrangements of Genesis tunes on Genesis For Two Grand Pianos.
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Negoba
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Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5208 |
Posted: March 30 2009 at 14:29 |
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Yes in the Present was unbelievable. I loved it, since I had not seen Yes before. My friend who had seen them several times before said this was a very good show, that the singer did admirable job, but of course it would have been better with Jon Anderson.
I thought he was very professional. He sang all the parts spot on, but let Squire and Howe do most of the talking.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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lazland
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Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13314 |
Posted: March 30 2009 at 13:23 |
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Generally I agree that most tribute bands are a waste of time, and I certainly won't waste my money on their LPs.
However, having said that, I did go to see Australian Pink Floyd in Narberth, West Wales about nine years ago (this was before, incredibly, they became a large arena band  ). They were good, but having seen the original do The Wall, obviously not a patch on the original.I also quite like established bands doing tributes - the Mostly Autumn Pink Floyd DVD comes to mind - there was some good stuff on that. In summary, established artists/bands paying tribute is okay. Tribute bands fill a need for some to see live the bands who, for some reason, they never saw live (i.e. too young), or have a insatiable need to revisit them when the band themselves no longer are extant, and they are generally worthless. BTW - what do people who have seen Yes this year with the tribute band singer reckon to it all? Classic Rock Prog Special gave them an almost rave review. |
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crimhead
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Posted: March 30 2009 at 12:45 |
Agreed. Support your local music scene. There are plenty of live bands out there that need our support. |
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Negoba
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Posted: March 30 2009 at 12:40 |
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Wow, that's very different than the US. Tribute Bands are a novelty and pretty fun. They're not squeezing out any original bands at all. Of course, lots of small bars hire cover bands or bands that mix originals and covers, but that's how you move up.
DJs however have taken over many venues that could and should be using live bands. I think it's just cheaper.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Owlchops
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Posted: March 30 2009 at 05:55 |
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Tribute albums on the other hand, are comparatively benign.
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Owlchops
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Posted: March 30 2009 at 05:54 |
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I'd go further and say tribute bands have had a negative impact overall , as so many smaller UK venues will only book them (or at least mainly book them) , making it even harder for struggling new bands, playing originals, to get a gig at all.
Tribute bands have definitely been a major contributing factor in the decline of the live circuit for new talent.
In view of this I have to say I regard tribute bands in an extremely negative light.
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Negoba
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Posted: March 23 2009 at 14:57 |
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Live tribute acts make alot of sense.
Tribute albums aren't that different than any other cover, sometimes it's interesting to hear your favorite act take on a song or your favorite music interpreted. But with so much great original music out there, why spend your music buck on covers unless it's really superb?
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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