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Ivan_Melgar_M 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
 Topic: Titanic (Norway) for Prog RelatedPosted: May 21 2009 at 11:28 |
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Hi guys, I presented this band to Heavy Prog:
With valid reasons Raff told me this band had already been rejected, but I see no reasons why a band that has clear Prog elements of Uriah Heep, Deep Purple and Santana, shouldn't be added to Prog Related.
Even more, there's a precedent, being an obscure band from Norway from the days Norway was not full of Prog bands (1969 - 1979), I never expected to find them in many sites, but they are
Not determinant but at least we're not talking about a controversial band I believe this is a book case, not relation by members or some pseudo influence alone, but an evident number of Prog elements, that may not be enough for a full Prog genre, even when more than enough for Prog Related.
Will wait for your kind evaluation.
Thanks
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - May 21 2009 at 15:24 |
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gr8dane
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Joined: May 11 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1127 |
Posted: May 21 2009 at 13:36 |
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Holy smokes.
Never thought of lookin' for those guys on u-tube.Fantastic.
I got their first four albums on cd .1rst one is a mixed bag in a good sense.A bit of Beatles,Tull,Procol Harum and ofcourse their own sound.
Next 2 are totally prog.By album 4 they moved towards sourthern States rock.
Nice work Ivan.
Titanic gets my vote for inclusion.
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Dean
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Posted: May 21 2009 at 13:39 |
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M'kay - I'll kick it upstairs.
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What?
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Raff
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24391 |
Posted: May 21 2009 at 16:13 |
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We do not usually evaluate bands a second time, but I'd like to put a suggestion forward... Since we rejected the band after having listened to only one album (Eagle Rock), if we manage to have access to some more material, we might consider moving them to HP AFTER they've been added to PR (if the Admins agree, that is
 ). Unfortunately, this is what can happen when the exposure to a band or artist's material is limited to a few items. |
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: May 21 2009 at 16:58 |
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Great band i support the addition to PR
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 21 2009 at 17:00 |
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As a fact, I believe they are better in Prog Related, because despite the obvious Prog elements, they were mainly a Hard Rock band with strong Psyche conections, but not purely Prog.
Iván
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npjnpj
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Posted: May 22 2009 at 03:48 |
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Their inclusion (under prog-related) would have my full support, for the exact reasons Ivan put forward above. I was actually surprised to hear that they're still active, and they released a new album a short while back, which sounds as if no time has passed between their first albums and the present. I't wasn't easy to get hold of Lucky me.. Edited by npjnpj - May 22 2009 at 04:34 |
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lucas
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Posted: May 22 2009 at 05:52 |
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Well, if we have Deep Purple, Wishbone Ash, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and Uriah Heep I have nothing against the addition of a band in the same vein.
It makes me think that we don't have yet another fine blues-influenced hard-rock band in PA : 10 years after...
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: May 22 2009 at 10:36 |
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I believe their case is special, unlike the bands mentioned by you (Except Uriah Heep who IMO have 3 100% Prog albums), TITANIC has a very strong psyche connection and a clear Latin sound like Santana and an almost full Prog album like Eagle Rock..
Plus every band is an individual case.
To be honest, I believe TITANIC is a late Proto Prog band, but we have limited parameters of time and their most Prog albums are post 1970.
Yes, I still believe we are talking about a PR band. in the Prog Archives context.
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - May 22 2009 at 10:38 |
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ZowieZiggy
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Joined: April 19 2005 Location: Siem Reap Status: Offline Points: 311 |
Posted: June 05 2009 at 12:36 |
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That would be a very good idea to include Titanic in the archives. I must smile while I read that once a band is rejected, he can't make a second chance. Bowie has been rejected several times and he is in, so???
This band is part of my youth (unfortunately very little info is circulating about them). I was delighted by their first album which is a great heavy-prog one with lots of keys (Searchin', I See No Reason).
The relation with Santana is only valid for their gorgeous single ''Sultana'' IMO.
I would vote ''yes'' to their entry here (but I don't have the right to vote). So would be my vote for TYA (ooooops: Ten Years After).
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Raff
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Posted: June 05 2009 at 14:03 |
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Bowie was added to Prog-Related, therefore didn't go through 'normal' channels - i.e. genre team evaluation. Titanic were evaluated by the HP team at the end of January, and the result was that none of the team members (The Whistler, The Quiet One and I) thought the material we listened to was progressive enough. If that makes us incompetent to judge, so be it. However, I would think our work deserves a modicum of respect, and not to be ridiculed in the general forum. |
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: June 05 2009 at 14:12 |
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Raff, why do you think that Zowie opinion is ridiculed???
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Raff
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Posted: June 05 2009 at 14:16 |
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Perhaps you should read his post again....
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: June 05 2009 at 14:21 |
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ah the TYA thing.... mmmm
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ZowieZiggy
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Posted: June 06 2009 at 06:00 |
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 19612 |
Posted: June 06 2009 at 17:52 |
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I second ivàn and Zowie on this issue
They're worth more than related
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Raff
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Posted: June 06 2009 at 17:56 |
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Ivan said they are better suited for Related, and I think I told him that there were two negative votes out of three in our team. I may even decide to have them re-evaluated, but then I'll ask everyone else to do the same for bands that have been rejected outright. I don't see why we have to be singled out in this.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 06 2009 at 18:08 |
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I absolutelñy respect your opinion, and honestly believe they are the perfect Prog related band, Prog, but not 100%.
Iván
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Sean Trane
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Posted: June 06 2009 at 19:06 |
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prog related it is, then
sorry for misrteading
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Dean
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Posted: June 06 2009 at 19:54 |
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Titanic is currently being evaluated by the Admin team. At the moment we simply do not have enough votes to give an answer.
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What?
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Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
answer you mentioned some insides that a simple reviewer as I am is not aware of. It was just a general remark: I could have taken Metallica or other bands to highlight my point. I just took took Bowie for obvious reasons and it was the first one who came to my mind.