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deafmoon 
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 Topic: John Petrucci vs. John McLaughlin
Posted: August 23 2010 at 16:39 |
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John Petrucci? ...this guy can't shine McLaughlin's boots. That's like asking dis Bozo The Clown play the kazoo better than Miles Davis played trumpet.? C'mon.
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jimidom
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Posted: August 23 2010 at 15:42 |
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Personally, I love Petrucci's playing, but McLaughlin is in a different league.
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silcir
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Posted: August 21 2010 at 04:11 |
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John Mclauhghlin without any hesitation.
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: August 20 2010 at 20:11 |
 himtroy wrote:
In my opinion Petrucci is a horrible musician. His playing is physically impressive in a "holy **** people's hands can move that fast" kind of way, but he has no...I repeat NO feel. AT ALL! He plays fast only for the sake of playing fast. His music is so incredibly generic, and provides nothing more than a background for him to endlessly shred over. He is my least favorite thing about music. It's not the difference in style that bothers me, its the lack of style and the showiness. |
Couldn't disagree more.
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fusionfreak
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Posted: August 19 2010 at 20:06 |
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John Mc Laughlin:feeling,plays fast(Mahavishnu Orchestra was great:The lost Trident sessions are smoking!)and I really enjoy his work with Shakti,very spiritual and moving.But I have a great respect for John Petrucci since he plays very well for a very skilled and talented band,he also has great respect for Giants of Progressive Rock such as Yes,Genesis or Kansas.I also dig Liquid Tension Experiment.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: August 19 2010 at 19:42 |
himtroy wrote:
He plays fast only for the sake of playing fast.
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He would claim otherwise, but I see no evidence to the contrary
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himtroy
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Posted: August 19 2010 at 13:18 |
They can both play really fast...but John McLaughlin actually has a concept of tonality and feel....I'll choose him.
In my opinion Petrucci is a horrible musician. His playing is physically impressive in a "holy **** people's hands can move that fast" kind of way, but he has no...I repeat NO feel. AT ALL! He plays fast only for the sake of playing fast. His music is so incredibly generic, and provides nothing more than a background for him to endlessly shred over. He is my least favorite thing about music. It's not the difference in style that bothers me, its the lack of style and the showiness.
Edited by himtroy - August 19 2010 at 13:22
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 21:05 |
Frederick Thordendal 
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 20:31 |
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
snobb wrote:
Petrucci is good technically, but have no personal style, charisma or just a small signature when playing at all. He is just good guitarist (there are many of them), and when playing solo (as on concert in Tokyo I mentioned above), you can easy to hear he has nothing to say. He knows how to play, but just - has nothing to say... |
I understand what you mean now. He's pretty much a robot when he's on stage, yes.
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That's not what he's saying, I presume. He is saying Petrucci's style does not have much individuality. He has some valid points. It does become hard to distinguish many of these technically accomplished metal guitarists, whereas I don't need to hear more than a couple of licks generally to tell when it's Hackett/Latimer/McLaughlin.
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 20:27 |
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Petrucci is an amazing guitarist and definitely more than just a shredder but then I would say that about Marty or Guthrie too. There are very few guitarists in jazz rock/fusion, on the other hand, who could be put on level footing with McLaughlin musically. McLaughlin by several country miles.
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Lark the Starless
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 19:37 |
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They are both fantastic. They really are in my eyes. I vote for Petrucci.
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J-Man
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 18:58 |
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
Anthony H. wrote:
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
I say Petrucci has a lot of extraodinary solos that aren't just 4738219 nps.
A Change Of Seasons
Goodnight Kiss
Lines In The Sand
The Spirit Carries On
Through Her Eyes
Just to name a few of the good ones. Also, Hollow Years Live At Budokan is just phenomonal...
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Yeah, the extended Hollow Years is amazing. They played it when I saw them about a month ago.
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I would like add the melodic solos from Overture 1928, Surrounded and Learning to Live... |
Yeah, he really has a lot of great melodic ones. |
Amen to all you guys. Petrucci is a fantastic shredder, but too many people forget the fantastic melodic solos he does as well. As much as you anti-metalheads want to argue it, Petrucci is f**ckin' awesome! McLaughlin is great too, but Mahavishnu's music hasn't grabbed me nearly as much as my other recent fusion discoveries.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 15:50 |
No contest for me.
Petrucci is one more of the various shredders, though he's quite good at it and has some really fine moments that I doubt any other shredder would think of(not do) like the solo on 'Lines in the Sand'.
Mahavishnu, on the other hand, has a completely unique style and was one of the first distinguishable fusion guitarists. And if I don't take in account his Mahavishnu work, his acoustic stuff with Shakti is sublime.
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 15:17 |
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the one who isn't in Dream Theater.
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crimhead
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 14:22 |
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The John that played in MO and with DiMeola and DeLucia.
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 13:30 |
jampa17 wrote:
Anthony H. wrote:
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
I say Petrucci has a lot of extraodinary solos that aren't just 4738219 nps.
A Change Of Seasons
Goodnight Kiss
Lines In The Sand
The Spirit Carries On
Through Her Eyes
Just to name a few of the good ones. Also, Hollow Years Live At Budokan is just phenomonal...
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Yeah, the extended Hollow Years is amazing. They played it when I saw them about a month ago.
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I would like add the melodic solos from Overture 1928, Surrounded and Learning to Live... |
Yeah, he really has a lot of great melodic ones.
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jampa17
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 13:24 |
Anthony H. wrote:
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
I say Petrucci has a lot of extraodinary solos that aren't just 4738219 nps.
A Change Of Seasons
Goodnight Kiss
Lines In The Sand
The Spirit Carries On
Through Her Eyes
Just to name a few of the good ones. Also, Hollow Years Live At Budokan is just phenomonal...
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Yeah, the extended Hollow Years is amazing. They played it when I saw them about a month ago.
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I would like add the melodic solos from Overture 1928, Surrounded and Learning to Live...
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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GY!BE
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 12:21 |
I'll choose petrucci because he plays with so much emotion!!!!!!
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 12:07 |
Anthony H. wrote:
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
I say Petrucci has a lot of extraodinary solos that aren't just 4738219 nps.
A Change Of Seasons
Goodnight Kiss
Lines In The Sand
The Spirit Carries On
Through Her Eyes
Just to name a few of the good ones. Also, Hollow Years Live At Budokan is just phenomonal...
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Yeah, the extended Hollow Years is amazing. They played it when I saw them about a month ago.
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I'm jealous... My favourite live performance of all time. That beginning latin-ish guitar solo is amazing too. I also love how much less poppy it sounds.
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Anthony H.
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 12:02 |
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
I say Petrucci has a lot of extraodinary solos that aren't just 4738219 nps.
A Change Of Seasons
Goodnight Kiss
Lines In The Sand
The Spirit Carries On
Through Her Eyes
Just to name a few of the good ones. Also, Hollow Years Live At Budokan is just phenomonal...
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Yeah, the extended Hollow Years is amazing. They played it when I saw them about a month ago.
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