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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Another money grab by your Fab Four, you all hurry up and pre-order For Nov release.........USD300.00 LOL LOL
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Hi,

I imagine that it might be worth it, since almost all the Beatle albums released in America were taken from masters found in a garbage bin in NY, or London, or Paris! They were terrible.

I discovered this around 1972/1073 when out of curiosity and the fact that the cover was very different from the American version for the album MEDDLE by PF ... I also got the Sgt. Pepper's import ... and it was clean, and you could hear all the bits and pieces in the background. The same thing was STILL visible in 1974 with DSOTM, that was taken from another trash bin somewhere ... the background, and bits and pieces under it, were downplayed and were intentionally suppressed .... and I like to joke that it was a FCC somebody in America that wanted to clean up America ... and started with the words, not the smells of the bad rerecording to hide many details. I immediately bought the import ... and of course ... the posters were different and the sound of it was clear and the background bits were good enough to make a complete story on their own ... which, of course, later gave birth to THE WALL ... which for me is about all the bits they ever used.

So, in some ways, hearing a clean mix of the stuff, possibly in their original way, instead of another copy, would be kinda neat ... it won't make us feel any better about it all, but it will show the history of the Beatles with a lot more beauty than the versions in almost all of those albums that were, basically, ready for the AM radio as singles ... in Mono ... so to speak! Hearing it in pure stereo, instead of cardboard stereo wold make this a much more valuable purchase.

But that price leaves me out ... better things for me to get on Bandcamp!

You don't get it, this is like the millionth Beatles box set released in the last 10-15 years.....More will follow since the subject is release years.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

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You don't get it, this is like the millionth Beatles box set released in the last 10-15 years.....More will follow since the subject is release years.

Hi,

I do, however, it would be more to the benefit of the listeners and the buyers to know one of the main differences in a lot of those releases. The first wave, specially for America, waas about the stuff that had been hidden, and lowered in volume to the background in a lot of stuff, in Sgt. Peppers and MMTour.

What is crazy (for me!!!) is how another edition of the same thing is going to be different. I guess that we won't hear this with that, and that with this anymore, and stuff will be so separated as to seem like the 4 guys are not together at all ... but it sounds better? 

I have not bought any redo by any band ... with one exception ... Solar Music Live ... which instead of redo's has a lot of different versions of the same thing, and they are all neat. I'm not sure that any redo will sound better in my inner mind and vision ... and one I heard (KC) was actually really poor in my book ... it also hid more than it showed.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote octopus-4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2024 at 07:36
The mainstream majors and media, before the electronic age, had the power of influencing the listeners, but they had the power of filtering out who they tought wasn't profitable enough for an investment, they were used to spend money in advertising, TV shows and whatsoever. 

But you can advertise Plastic Bertrand as much as you like and he won't last more than a summer.
Beatles have been surely advertised and monetized, but it didn't happen with a lot of pop rubbish even if presented as the "new big".

They have their merits, and as Dave Gilmour said in response to Johnny Rotten: "Make your stuff and if you can sell it, fine" 

What the thread asks about the Beatles can be asked about Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra and all the other bigs of the last century.  
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Maybe a little bit too much credit, especially in recent times, but really I think it's deservedly so.  They were one of the groups that showed other people "hey, you know, it's alright to play whatever music we want" and from that stemmed nearly all later music, popular and less so, even if the bands in question aren't influenced in the slightest by the music of the Beatles.  It was the concept of creativity for the masses that makes them so important

This was the very second post on the thread and nailed it. Could have just closed it straight away after.

I'm not entirely sure what this thread is about anymore. It would be a joke to suggest that The Beatles were great musicians but the point was that they were empowered and influential. Their songs were everywhere. They actually had personality and were able to sell their music. I believe though that there was resentment towards them for no reason whatsoever. Yeah they could have spent more time becoming better musicians but frankly what difference would it have made? Arguably they could even have been an influence on punk as the dream of the 'band of not very great musicians that made it big'. Also they were living the rock n roll lifestyle in spades and as everyone now realises they were not the cuddly mop heads that the record company was desperate to portray them as. This also weirdly became yet another cliche of rock music. Oasis have even sold millions pretending to be a version of them lol If the Beatles aren't at least the most important pop/rock band of the twentieth century then who is? Christ, even the name sucks but that didn't stop them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2024 at 12:18
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

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They were one of the groups that showed other people "hey, you know, it's alright to play whatever music we want" and from that stemmed nearly all later music, popular and less so, even if the bands in question aren't influenced in the slightest by the music of the Beatles.  It was the concept of creativity for the masses that makes them so important

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I tend to think that the creativity was always there, and there were many albums one could get, however, they did not become "famous" or as big as The Beatles, which kinda kept things somewhat hidden. When  The Beatles made it big, and a lot of reviewers were giving it some intelligent comments, instead of discussing pop music, then things made it back to the fans faster and faster, which I think helped pretty much hurt the AM Radio band in America ... my neighbor, was a DJ on the Santa Barbara AM station and to give you an idea, he loved ELP, but could not play any of it when he was on the air, until a single was released properly. But the 2 singles that showed up, were not given a touch ... because the station did not want to give the FM Radio Stations any credit or appreciation ... at that point, it was not about the music or single at all ... it was about making sure "they were not competing with that station over there ... "

But the fact that "creativity" had been opened up some more, really helped ... 

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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

What the thread asks about the Beatles can be asked about Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra and all the other bigs of the last century.  

Elvis Presley and Frank Sinatra didn't WRITE/COMPOSE the songs recorded/released under their own names.
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I Am the Walrus pretty much sums up the influence the Beatles have had on me. Without hearing that one song, my musical output (strange as it is) may never had happened.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2024 at 13:14
Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

What the thread asks about the Beatles can be asked about Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra and all the other bigs of the last century.  

Elvis Presley and Frank Sinatra didn't WRITE/COMPOSE the songs recorded/released under their own names.

Hi,

Which ... btw ... is very important ... but we have to remember that not many of the hit songs on radio at the time, let's say early 60's (but keep it generalized please) were exactly written by the members of the band, and this changed big time with The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Kinks and many others. Heck go back to The Monkees and realize how much was written by Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart ... and they had been writing a lot of stuff going back to 1961.

Your comment, btw, is one of the great changes in radio (especially in America with FM in the 60's) ... that helped bring out the new sounds and the new music, and kinda took the controls away from the recording groups and companies that were owned by the movie studios, who tried to get their stars hits to keep the money in house. They were the ones that defined the "copyrights" and how they were finally interpreted by Congress for the FCC, to take it away from a handful of megalomaniacs. 

One listen to American FM radio in 1971, would more than likely get you a good 90/95% of material done by the band singing it. But there still were many different folks writing stuff for others ... Kris Kristofferson was one of them, for example ... as were many others!
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