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Poll Question: Which drummer do you prefer?
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    Posted: June 28 2011 at 00:47
Which drummer do you prefer?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 03:24
Eventually, this poll had to come. No vote for me, these are my two favorite drummers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 03:30
I love you Vander, an in terms of overall music he would get my vote...but as a drummer I have to give it to Jaki.

It hurts though
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 03:32
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 07:43
Vander!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 09:02
I picked Jaki Liebezeit, but, oddly enough, not for his work in Can, but for his involvement in the short-lived German group Jail, who released one album in 1976 called You Can Help Me.
             Jail were a great band while they lasted, and featured a literal "Who's Who" of German musicians-along with Liebezeit, among others, there was Roland Schaeffer from Brainstorm and Guru Guru on sax, and, as a guitarist/singer on some tracks, the late Helmut Koellen who was in Triumvirat
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 09:11
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

I love you Vander, an in terms of overall music he would get my vote...but as a drummer I have to give it to Jaki.

It hurts though


My sentiments to the t.
Jaki Liebezeit is one of the most original drummers I have heard apart from Moe Tucker off The Velvet Underground and the great Bonzo.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 09:16
I really dig Christian Vander but Jaki Liebezeit is awesome and I love what he did in Can(of course!)and also with Michael Rother for Flammende Herzen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 09:25
^Just waiting for that album myself - now I can´t wait! Did not know about Jaki´s involvement on that oneEmbarrassed

Just a little side note: Jaki´s last name Liebezeit does actually mean Liebe=Love Zeit=Time - Love time, which kind of says it all when it comes down to his style of playing. The human metronome, although he does these minuscule changes alongside some very subdued fills, that are so hard to replicate. This is coming from a drummer - I find Neil Peart much easier to play up against.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 09:40
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

I picked Jaki Liebezeit, but, oddly enough, not for his work in Can, but for his involvement in the short-lived German group Jail, who released one album in 1976 called You Can Help Me.
             Jail were a great band while they lasted, and featured a literal "Who's Who" of German musicians-along with Liebezeit, among others, there was Roland Schaeffer from Brainstorm and Guru Guru on sax, and, as a guitarist/singer on some tracks, the late Helmut Koellen who was in Triumvirat


Jaki only guests on two of the tracks. You must love those six minutes of drumming enormously.

... Myself I don't feel like choosing one over the other.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 10:20
Probably my two favorite drummers in the world... yikes, how do I choose.  I'll go with Vander because some of the later Can albums don't really push Jaki's potential very far.  Haven't heard what he's done lately either, though I've heard some of his solo material is very good.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 10:26
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

I love you Vander, an in terms of overall music he would get my vote...but as a drummer I have to give it to Jaki.

It hurts though


I think I agree with you here, Brian.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 10:39
You have no clue how much it hurts me to not be able to vote Liebezeit
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 11:00
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

I picked Jaki Liebezeit, but, oddly enough, not for his work in Can, but for his involvement in the short-lived German group Jail, who released one album in 1976 called You Can Help Me.
             Jail were a great band while they lasted, and featured a literal "Who's Who" of German musicians-along with Liebezeit, among others, there was Roland Schaeffer from Brainstorm and Guru Guru on sax, and, as a guitarist/singer on some tracks, the late Helmut Koellen who was in Triumvirat


Jaki only guests on two of the tracks. You must love those six minutes of drumming enormously.

... Myself I don't feel like choosing one over the other.
Yes, i do love Liebezeit's involvement with Jail-in general, i love all of that Jail album, including the guest musicians like Liebezeit (Koellen is only on a few tracks, as well, but that, in itself, sold me on Jail initially, and then i discovered i was passionate about everybody on that record, guest or otherwise)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 12:21
both are good , but vander is a bit better
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 16:01
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

You have no clue how much it hurts me to not be able to vote Liebezeit

I do, because I'm faced with the same issue. Cry  Sorry Jaki.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 16:03
Liebzeit!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 16:05
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

I love you Vander, an in terms of overall music he would get my vote...but as a drummer I have to give it to Jaki.

It hurts though


I think I agree with you here, Brian.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 16:41
Liebezeit is a very good drummer, but no one can beat Vander!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 17:22
Vander for me.
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