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    Posted: March 06 2012 at 08:57

An interesting young band from Turku, Finland. Their full lenght debut CD Hands That Held Up The Sky  is gonna be released at 3/14/2012 http://www.myspace.com/halfapple 

 
 
 
 
 


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Reminds me of Moon Safari mixed with Anglagard. I'll alert the symph team.
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I guess the break from suggesting new bands is over eh?

Hey Svetonio, just like Alex mentioned in another of these threads, you could help the site out in other ways too. For example writing up the odd bio for some of the artists you've suggested. At the moment we have plenty of bands waiting to get included, so yeah by all means do take a break from these threads

Edited by Guldbamsen - March 06 2012 at 17:22
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^Big ditto on that note. And don't be so ungrateful when we're a little slow responding to your avalanche of suggestions... Ermm
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Already checked it and posted in our thread:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Andy Webb Andy Webb wrote:

New suggestion: Half Apple, a Finnish band that sounds like Moon Safari and a wee bit of Anglagard (or some other heavier symph band). 

Thanks for the suggestion Andy, so lets see:

  1. Strange Figure: Pure Hard Rock
  2. The Sun Comes Up: More guitar based Hard Rock, this could be Heavy Prog
  3. The Spirit of Times: Alternative Rock that turns heavier as the song advances
  4. Flashbacks: Now I listen some Anglagard in the intro, but as the song advances returns to the Hard Rock. After the fifth minute some Crimson (Lark's Tongues in Aspic)influenced Heavy Prog.
  5. The Pressure: Starts ELP influenced, turns to Anekdoten, despite this first part, the rest reminds me of Rush
  6. Riverside of Youth: Honestly, reminds me of Cobain's Nirvana with some Mellotron and Howe inspired electric guitar in some passages.
Now, Presence Records who carry the band say

Quote Half Apple is young band from Turku, Finland. The band incorporates various influences includingprogressive rock and metal, indie, post-rock and even jazz fusion into their unique sound. But still in the centre are the songs, full of positive energy.


Their own label points towards Alternative Indie with Prog, Metal and Jazz....Hardly Symphonic

Now, also checked Half Apple Official Page

Quote Half Apple is a rock group, formed in 2004 by young and talented musicians from Turku, Finland. Bands music is a mix of indie rock, progressive rock and post-rock. 


They place Indie in the first place, again no mention or relation with Symphonic.

Their Facebook page describes the genre as:


Post Progressive? This is new for me.Wink

My opinion is that there's very little Prog, if this has to be added, I recommend Heavy Prog, but not Symphonic at all.

I will ask the team, but I'm sure they will say no, sorry Andy, I don't see them in Symphonic

Iván

Already notified the team, but I don't believe it will be approved for Symphonic.

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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2012 at 22:02
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

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Their Facebook page describes the genre as:


Post Progressive? This is new for me.Wink

(...)

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There at Prog Music Lounge subforum was an interesting thread and discussion about "post-progressive"  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=83235&KW=post+progressive&PN=1
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I guess the break from suggesting new bands is over eh?

Hey Svetonio, just like Alex mentioned in another of these threads, you could help the site out in other ways too. For example writing up the odd bio for some of the artists you've suggested. At the moment we have plenty of bands waiting to get included, so yeah by all means do take a break from these threads
Bios? Actually, all my suggestions included myspace (bandcamp, soundcloud, etc.) links with bios. 
Guldbamsen, just keep on working.


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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:


There at Prog Music Lounge subforum was an interesting thread and discussion about "post-progressive"  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=83235&KW=post+progressive&PN=1
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Have read all the posts, and except the starter, nobody knows, agrees or even cares  tabout Post prog.

The post Prog term is absurd IMO, because it implies:

  1. Something that comes after Prog
  2. Then obviously is not Prog
It could also implied that Prog has ended and this comes after prog...For example, the term post war means after the war, Prog is a living genre, it still exists. I understand partially this term in the case of Punk, because the pure form of Punk ended after a couple years, but in the case of Rock and Prog, there's no logic I believe.

This are absurd labels that nobody will accept, mostly terms invented by some bands to capture 
  1. Prog fans that believe it has some relation with prog and
  2. Non Prog fans who say...If it's Post Prog, it's something that is not prog.
Svetonio, when I read a band that says
  • Our influences are Yes, Genesis, ELP, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Pink Floyd, Kansas, Radiohead, VDGG, Focus, Premiata Forneria Marconi, Anglagard, Jethro Tull, etc or
  • We are a Prog band and at the same time Indie, Jazz, Hip Hop, Rap and Charleston.
  • We are some sort of Post Prog, Post Punk and Post Hip Hop
I doubt they are Prog at all, just trying to create such wide parameters that everybody buys an album

My opinion of course.

Iván


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Look Svetonio.

If 3 different collabs kindly ask you to take a break from suggesting new bands, then maybe you should just do it. We can all find different bands which we deem prog and suggest them for the site, but PA tries to do its own bios, we have a voting process as well - meaning that we have to agree on what is prog. All this takes time and right now we actually have our hands full, so pretty please with sugar on top would you be so kind and stop being patronizing and take the break that we all are asking you for?
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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2012 at 03:02
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:


There at Prog Music Lounge subforum was an interesting thread and discussion about "post-progressive"  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=83235&KW=post+progressive&PN=1
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Have read all the posts, and except the starter, nobody knows, agrees or even cares  tabout Post prog.

The post Prog term is absurd IMO, because it implies:

  1. Something that comes after Prog
  2. Then obviously is not Prog
It could also implied that Prog has ended and this comes after prog...For example, the term post war means after the war, Prog is a living genre, it still exists. I understand partially this term in the case of Punk, because the pure form of Punk ended after a couple years, but in the case of Rock and Prog, there's no logic I believe.

This are absurd labels that nobody will accept (....)

Iván
Ivan, I agreed 100% with you that "post prog" is an absurd.
But, many tags (or terms) seems as absurd too...imho, that's, for example, "baroque pop" tag.. so, we should to pray that "post prog tag" is never gonna be "usefull"   Confused 
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1 - strange fig - alternative rock
2 - the sun comes up - indie rock
3 - spirit of the times - soft rock/ crossover


not symphonic - may not be prog. Cog were proggier and they were rejected here. 
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Not accepted by Symphonic.

We can't send it to another team, because we believe it's not Prog.

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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

 

The post Prog term is absurd IMO, because it implies:

  1. Something that comes after Prog
  2. Then obviously is not Prog
It could also implied that Prog has ended and this comes after prog...For example, the term post war means after the war, Prog is a living genre, it still exists. I understand partially this term in the case of Punk, because the pure form of Punk ended after a couple years, but in the case of Rock and Prog, there's no logic I believe.

The problem with your theory is that post-metal is very obviously metal
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

 

The post Prog term is absurd IMO, because it implies:

  1. Something that comes after Prog
  2. Then obviously is not Prog
It could also implied that Prog has ended and this comes after prog...For example, the term post war means after the war, Prog is a living genre, it still exists. I understand partially this term in the case of Punk, because the pure form of Punk ended after a couple years, but in the case of Rock and Prog, there's no logic I believe.

The problem with your theory is that post-metal is very obviously metal

That's why I believe it's absurd

  1. If it's Post Metal, then it shouldn't be Metal
  2. If it sounds like Metal, it can't be post metal.
  3. Metal is not an extinct genre, so the term post is absurd
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

 

The post Prog term is absurd IMO, because it implies:

  1. Something that comes after Prog
  2. Then obviously is not Prog
It could also implied that Prog has ended and this comes after prog...For example, the term post war means after the war, Prog is a living genre, it still exists. I understand partially this term in the case of Punk, because the pure form of Punk ended after a couple years, but in the case of Rock and Prog, there's no logic I believe.

The problem with your theory is that post-metal is very obviously metal

That's why I believe it's absurd

  1. If it's Post Metal, then it shouldn't be Metal
  2. If it sounds like Metal, it can't be post metal.
  3. Metal is not an extinct genre, so the term post is absurd
Iván

"Post" implicates more what metal would be if it were to be extinct. It's not really meant to be taken at face value, but rather more a style that is the "barebones" of the genre.
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

 

The post Prog term is absurd IMO, because it implies:

  1. Something that comes after Prog
  2. Then obviously is not Prog
It could also implied that Prog has ended and this comes after prog...For example, the term post war means after the war, Prog is a living genre, it still exists. I understand partially this term in the case of Punk, because the pure form of Punk ended after a couple years, but in the case of Rock and Prog, there's no logic I believe.

The problem with your theory is that post-metal is very obviously metal

That's why I believe it's absurd

  1. If it's Post Metal, then it shouldn't be Metal
  2. If it sounds like Metal, it can't be post metal.
  3. Metal is not an extinct genre, so the term post is absurd
Iván

No, it just means you don't understand the application of the prefix in this context.
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Why are we hijacking this thread to discuss meaningless things... The decision was made unanimously by the team.

Move along. 
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

 

The post Prog term is absurd IMO, because it implies:

  1. Something that comes after Prog
  2. Then obviously is not Prog
It could also implied that Prog has ended and this comes after prog...For example, the term post war means after the war, Prog is a living genre, it still exists. I understand partially this term in the case of Punk, because the pure form of Punk ended after a couple years, but in the case of Rock and Prog, there's no logic I believe.

The problem with your theory is that post-metal is very obviously metal

That's why I believe it's absurd

  1. If it's Post Metal, then it shouldn't be Metal
  2. If it sounds like Metal, it can't be post metal.
  3. Metal is not an extinct genre, so the term post is absurd
Iván

No, it just means you don't understand the application of the prefix in this context.
In my humble opinion, only albums could be "post-progressive", not a genre; i.e. maybe we can call King Crimson's Discipline a "post - progressive album", or Peter Gabriel' solo debut, regarding previous works of those great artists, but we can't say that mentioned albums were moved KC and Gabriel into "post progressive genre" - simply because that genre doesn't exist.
Same as Prog Related; as a genre, Prog Related doesn't exist; yes, some of Classic Rock stars were released prog albums, but Quadrophenia was not transformed The Who from classic rock to prog rock band / genre.

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Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Why are we hijacking this thread to discuss meaningless things... The decision was made unanimously by the team.

Move along. 
Because arguing with Iván when he's wrong is easier than trying to convince some people that the bands they suggest do not belong here?
What?
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Why are we hijacking this thread to discuss meaningless things... The decision was made unanimously by the team.

Move along. 
Because arguing with Iván when he's wrong is easier than trying to convince some people that the bands they suggest do not belong here?

Very impartial as usual Dean

Have you checked that in the Post Prog thread http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=83235&KW=post+progressive&PN=1 out of 38 posts, only 4 by Adam Hunter agree with the term Post Prog and that most see the term Post in front of a musical form is absurd?

Then why am I wrong? Or better...Why is anybody wrong in an issue that is a matter of opinions?

Iván


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