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    Posted: September 13 2012 at 02:19
hello i want to know when the term progressive rock came out.as i understand the term did not exist at the glory days of the genre in the early seventies.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2012 at 02:34
there are others here who can tell you close to when the term started surfacing, but I think it's safe to say 'progressive rock' started being used out of necessity in the same way 'progressive jazz' had been used before it;  progressive in musical terms means what it suggests, and rock was still quite young when it began to see real post-Elvis progression

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2012 at 03:00
I read the term for the first time in 1973, in an article about the Virgin label, which had just been launched in those days and focused on progressive rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2012 at 03:48
Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

I read the term for the first time in 1973, in an article about the Virgin label, which had just been launched in those days and focused on progressive rock.
 
"Progressive" was certainly in use in 1973, because I wrote an article in Imperial College's student mag on progressive rock when I was doing my PhD there, which was from 1972-3, and I didn't coin the term so I had to have heard it well prior to that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2012 at 04:09
As David says, the term "progressive rock" (and more often "progressive music") was used in it's adjective form long before it was used as a noun in the name of a style of rock music.
 
When I was at school we used Progressive Rock and Prog Rock to describe our favourite bands, and I left school in 1973 so that predates the article on Virgin Records by some time.
 
Previously I have posted a dated flyer/newsletter from The Friars Club Alyesbury that used the term Progressive Rock as a name back in 1969. I do not have time to find it today, but here is David Stopps business card from that time:
 
Which, while it isn't dated does give a Princes Risborough telephone number, later they used different phone numbers. Also, another undated reference is a local newspaper cutting announcing the first closure of the club in late 1970 (so it had to be contemporary with the closure and therefore dates from 1970), where Friars is described as a "progressive rock club" and "one of the best progrssive clubs in the country" (which implies there were others):
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2012 at 04:10
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2012 at 05:15
^^Interesting indeed. There is a wiki entry in Friars which dates its first closure on August 6, 1970. The article must therefore have been written in these days. In the wiki entry, David Stopps is also mentioned.
 
I remember from Armando Gallo's book that Genesis did a few gigs there (first as a support act to Mott the Hoople, afterwards as the main act supported by Mott the Hoople) about the time Trespass wass released (or shortly before).
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2012 at 10:10
Didn't Fripp "invented" the name?? I read that in an interview they asked him how he would define his music and he said "Progressive, yeah, that's it" or somethink like that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2012 at 10:16
Ermm
 
*waits for someone to say Fripp overheard Billy Ritchie saying it in the Marquee in 1956*
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2012 at 10:33
^Actually, Billy Ritchie stole the term from Cab Calloway in 1933.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2012 at 11:02
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2012 at 11:40
I remember using the term regularly throughout the 70s.  It usually referred to bands listed as Symphonic here such as Yes, Genesis, and ELP.  I regarded it as a descriptive phrase but never had a clear definition for it.  Some things have not changed it seems.  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2012 at 11:55
I never used it in the seventies. Never knew anyone who did. I don't doubt bit was out there  but that sort of music had many descriptions at the time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2012 at 13:33
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I never used it in the seventies. Never knew anyone who did. I don't doubt bit was out there  but that sort of music had many descriptions at the time.
Shocked (<- that's me being very surprised) I'm very surprised (see, told you), in 1976 when the punks were rebelling against the Prog Rock dinosaurs the name "Prog Rock" was established well enough to the "right-on" music press to warrant them calling it a "dinosaur" - journalists are not the brightest of people, rock journo's doubly so - therefore tagging Prog Rock as a dinosaur wasn't some surreal hard-to-understand metaphor - they picked dinosaur because they are big and ponderous and very old, and they called it Prog Rock because that's what it was called at the time. The fact that since then the received wisdom perpetrated through-out the whole of the media industry and with much of the elder generation of "the public" that Prog Rock was pretentious and grandiose adds weight to the argument that the term existed before that date.
 
Pop and rock music is a transitory and fashion driven, musical styles adopt a name very soon after they emerge because next week they will be history and they often take-on the adjective word that was originally used to describe it, (eg Rock and Roll, Beat, Punk, Indie, Synth-pop, Gothic Rock, Shoe-gazing, Grunge, etc...). It is very rare for a style of music to be named long after it has passed from the public consciousness, rarer still for ordinary members of the public who have no direct interest in music to then not only know that revisionist name, but to also know which bands it refers to, yet in the UK at least, Joe Public of a certain age knows that Yes, Genesis, Floyd et al are Prog bands. It is true that those bands had other descriptions at the time - I remember Yes being called "technoflash", ELP and Queen were called "pomp rock" and Hawkwind and Gong was "head music" because to some the diversity in musical styles of Prog was too generic, every rock journalist wants to be credited with coining a name of a style of music (just as we sub-subgenre-ise Prog), but none of those other names stuck.
 
I do not doubt that you and your mates did not call it Prog, but we did.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2012 at 13:48
In my native Spain the term (Musica Progresiva or Rock Progresivo) began being used around 1970. Here is a poster of the "1st Festival of Progressive Music" which was held in the catalan town of Granollers on 22nd and 23rd May 1971.
 
Symphonic Prog as such was not yet established in Spain and the term referred more to experimental psychedelic and rock music, the style which here in PA is mostly classified as Proto-Prog. Notice that the only non-Spanish band in the set was Family, quoted as "the outstanding band from the Isle of Wight festival".
(and the Spanish band Fusioon was wrongly spelled as Fusion).
 
Spain was much behind most of Europe and the UK in particular regarding music, so if the term started being used in Spain around 1970 I have no doubt that it was being used already in the UK and Spain just borrowed it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2012 at 13:49
The term "Progressive Music" has been used since the sixties, I have no doubts about that. I thought we were talking prog Rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2012 at 15:36
Originally posted by TheLionOfPrague TheLionOfPrague wrote:

Didn't Fripp "invented" the name?? I read that in an interview they asked him how he would define his music and he said "Progressive, yeah, that's it" or somethink like that.


You're close. In 1969 a journalist asked him what kind of music King Crimson plays, to which he responded: "Well, Eclectic Prog...duh!" Seriously, Fripp hates the term and wants nothing to do with it. One of the first examples I know of is the liner notes to the first Caravan album from 1968. It mentions Caravan as being one of the 'progressive' groups around at the time; without those liner notes with me at the moment, I can't remember if "progressive" or "progressive rock" was used.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2012 at 15:55
I still have no clue what Progrock means. I just call it weird freaked out sh*t.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2012 at 20:49
Prog rock = its music that I listen to....does not mean I know what it means, just that I like the music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2012 at 01:27
When I was at school in the seventies it just meant 'rock music with heavy use of keyboards'. Interestingly Pink Floyd were not considered 'prog rock' and never got lumped in with Yes,ELP or Genesis ('Yelesis')
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