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desistindo 
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Posted: April 11 2013 at 14:16 |
I havent many information about "Saccharine Trust", but Ive listen two of their five albums and find it pretty prog. They play a blend of free jazz, post-hardcore and has some King Crimson influences (mainly in the guitars structures). Some songs are more improvised others are constructed under odd time signatures. Give a try:
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Posted: April 11 2013 at 16:01 |
I've been a pretty devout fan of this band for decades, and still listen to them fairly regularly. They've also greatly influenced my own musical direction, vocally. They seem to fit in a weird area somewhere between punk and jazz that will probably make it hard for them to fit anywhere on PA. A similar situation to Creedle, who was suggested and rejected a few months ago.
Great band, and the guitarist Joe Baiza continued his jazz thing with another ensemble after ST broke up, called "Universal Congress Of". |
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Posted: April 16 2013 at 02:22 |
Although Greg Ginn's record label SST was, early on, associated with the angry, overamped guitar rant of SoCal hardcore (some of which came courtesy of Ginn's own band Black Flag), SST was also recording bands that pushed the limits of hardcore. Bands like The Minutemen, Universal Congress Of, and especially Saccharine Trust gleefully tossed in chunks of '70s progressive rock, avant-garde jazz, and funky kicks and pops into a stew already percolating with heavy(ish) metal riffing, shouted vocals, and extreme volume. Not all of the boundary-pushing that Saccharine Trust did was good (in fact, some of it is downright awful), but when they kept their tendency toward grandiose self-indulgence in check, they were a pretty formidable proposition, especially live, and recorded at least one indispensable record, 1986's We Became Snakes.
Formed in the early '80s by Joaquin (aka Jack) Brewer and guitarist Joe Baiza, Saccharine Trust metamorphosed from a dissonant, noisy, anti-rock quartet into a more sophisticated, but still jagged and noisy rock-jazz band. Frequently, the band's "songs" were semi- or wholly improvised using a basic riff or simple drum pattern for guidance, rapidy expanding into uncharted territory. Not the most important band to emerge from Los Angeles in the early '80s, Saccharine Trust is interesting for incorporating varied textural elements into a genre that was defined by volume and simplicity. This band took risks that many of their SoCal brethren would never have dreamed of taking. This, however, does not make Saccharine Trust better than their peers, simply different, and a little more intriguing. By the early '90s, Brewer started his own band called, big surprise, The Jack Brewer Band. Joe Baiza formed the fine, funky, and exciting Universal Congress Of.
Yeah, sounds like a mix of punk, jazz and some prog. As Steve says, similar to Creedle and it may be tricky finding them a place on PA. By the way, Creedle is still on the Eclectic chart so they haven't actually been rejected yet. (One vote, a ''move'' to Avant - looks like Creedle might get ping-ponged even though there is a general agreement it seems to belong here somewhere.) Anyway, Saccharine Trust maybe has more of a jazz element and is perhaps less experimental, at least judging from what I have heard of them in comparison to Creedle. So, going to ask the Eclectic team to check 'em out. And if they don't fit there they may have a shot in Jazz Rock.
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Posted: April 16 2013 at 11:09 |
 seventhsojourn wrote:
Although Greg Ginn's record label SST was, early on, associated with the angry, overamped guitar rant of SoCal hardcore (some of which came courtesy of Ginn's own band Black Flag), SST was also recording bands that pushed the limits of hardcore. Bands like The Minutemen, Universal Congress Of, and especially Saccharine Trust gleefully tossed in chunks of '70s progressive rock, avant-garde jazz, and funky kicks and pops into a stew already percolating with heavy(ish) metal riffing, shouted vocals, and extreme volume. Not all of the boundary-pushing that Saccharine Trust did was good (in fact, some of it is downright awful), but when they kept their tendency toward grandiose self-indulgence in check, they were a pretty formidable proposition, especially live, and recorded at least one indispensable record, 1986's We Became Snakes.
Formed in the early '80s by Joaquin (aka Jack) Brewer and guitarist Joe Baiza, Saccharine Trust metamorphosed from a dissonant, noisy, anti-rock quartet into a more sophisticated, but still jagged and noisy rock-jazz band. Frequently, the band's "songs" were semi- or wholly improvised using a basic riff or simple drum pattern for guidance, rapidy expanding into uncharted territory. Not the most important band to emerge from Los Angeles in the early '80s, Saccharine Trust is interesting for incorporating varied textural elements into a genre that was defined by volume and simplicity. This band took risks that many of their SoCal brethren would never have dreamed of taking. This, however, does not make Saccharine Trust better than their peers, simply different, and a little more intriguing. By the early '90s, Brewer started his own band called, big surprise, The Jack Brewer Band. Joe Baiza formed the fine, funky, and exciting Universal Congress Of.
Yeah, sounds like a mix of punk, jazz and some prog. As Steve says, similar to Creedle and it may be tricky finding them a place on PA. By the way, Creedle is still on the Eclectic chart so they haven't actually been rejected yet. (One vote, a ''move'' to Avant - looks like Creedle might get ping-ponged even though there is a general agreement it seems to belong here somewhere.) Anyway, Saccharine Trust maybe has more of a jazz element and is perhaps less experimental, at least judging from what I have heard of them in comparison to Creedle. So, going to ask the Eclectic team to check 'em out. And if they don't fit there they may have a shot in Jazz Rock. |
Thx a lot.
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Posted: February 16 2014 at 17:33 |
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Now that I'm hearing We Became Snakes for the first time, this band seems an utterly obvious addition here. Good work, folks!
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Indeed. Who knew?!
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