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    Posted: April 07 2014 at 01:50
I think Dave Stewart whips them both, but who asked me ??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2014 at 01:16
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I would put Banks with Rod Argent , Dave Greenslade , Jon Lord* and Pete Bardens


I'd put Rick Wright and Roger Powell in that group, too.

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

]Wakeman belongs with the Keith Emerson, Eddie Jobson and Patrick Moraz camp


I concur.

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

* Jon Lord started off in the Emerson camp but then migrated to 'other side'.


And Don Airey, who joined Purple, could fit into either group, but I'd be more inclined to put him in there with Wakeman and Emerson.

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

A lot of this is to do with personality. Wakeman liked to embrace the latest keyboard tech while Banks was happy with his organ (so to speak).


I categorize guys like Banks and Bardens as "texture" players and Emerson and Wakeman are classical rockers who are the equivalent of a lead guitarist, on keys (Emerson, especially).

Then we have guys like Jan Hammer, who have fitted ably into support or lead positions and are competent in a number of musical styles/genres.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 22:11
Tough choice. I love Tony for his songwriting and understated playing. Not too flashy or overbearing, never playing an unnecessary note. His timbre always just right. Awful solo album covers.

Wakeman obviously much flashier, technically more ripped than Tony, but over-indulgent. But I've always really enjoyed his personality and self-deprecating humor.

Going with Tony, but I love em both.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 21:37
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Btw, not sure if anyone watches That Metal Show, but on last night's season closer, guest guitarist Yngwie J. Malmsteen vocally credited none other than Tony Banks as informing his preferred style of neoclassical guitar. His sister played Genesis albums and Tony's influence on Yngwie was massive. Maybe others knew of this, but I sure as hell didn't.


This is curious. I haven't actually heard much of Malmsteem, but from once or twice I've seen a pair of DVD's from him, I recal thinking about Rick Wakeman on guitar.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 21:23
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Btw, not sure if anyone watches That Metal Show, but on last night's season closer, guest guitarist Yngwie J. Malmsteen vocally credited none other than Tony Banks as informing his preferred style of neoclassical guitar. His sister played Genesis albums and Tony's influence on Yngwie was massive. Maybe others knew of this, but I sure as hell didn't.

Interesting, thanks
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 20:07
In Banks mind he is the lead player in Genesis---as central a lead player as the guy in the Doors---much to the annoyance of Hackett---who wasn't able to get his more guitar oriented songs in the group as often as he liked---and was usually replaced with a keyboard driven song. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 17:52
Btw, not sure if anyone watches That Metal Show, but on last night's season closer, guest guitarist Yngwie J. Malmsteen vocally credited none other than Tony Banks as informing his preferred style of neoclassical guitar. His sister played Genesis albums and Tony's influence on Yngwie was massive. Maybe others knew of this, but I sure as hell didn't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 17:50
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I would put Banks with Rod Argent , Dave Greenslade , Jon Lord* and Pete Bardens


I'd put Rick Wright and Roger Powell in that group, too.

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

]Wakeman belongs with the Keith Emerson, Eddie Jobson and Patrick Moraz camp


I concur.

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

* Jon Lord started off in the Emerson camp but then migrated to 'other side'.


And Don Airey, who joined Purple, could fit into either group, but I'd be more inclined to put him in there with Wakeman and Emerson.

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

A lot of this is to do with personality. Wakeman liked to embrace the latest keyboard tech while Banks was happy with his organ (so to speak).


I categorize guys like Banks and Bardens as "texture" players and Emerson and Wakeman are classical rockers who are the equivalent of a lead guitarist, on keys (Emerson, especially).

Then we have guys like Jan Hammer, who have fitted ably into support or lead positions and are competent in a number of musical styles/genres.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 15:09
I thoughtt it's Rick using Tony for some support !!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 12:40
Tony not looking so great there. 
Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 12:34
Originally posted by uduwudu uduwudu wrote:

 

Tony Banks' Seven - A Suite For Orchestra demonstrated a flair for orchestral composition. I thought it was very liustenable albeit too polite. He needed to inject some of the fun and mystery he brought to Genesis rather than writing music that was more traditional, as though this is what is supposed to be written and recorded. maybe check out Varese, Messiaen and Stravinsky. He has been writing and recording for Genesis for 25 years and did shed loads of touring.

He emerged via folk pop rock beginning gradually merging  and developing symphonic styles in a small orchestra (rock band) context. He wrote many lyrics with his music as did his compadre Mike Rutherford. Together they brought a rock band to the high point of symphonic rock. then they shifted their emphasis and allowed the soul influences informing drummer extraordinaire and fine singer Phil Collins to broaden their range.

He and Genesis did a considerable amount - this really is an understatement- to bring music from obscurity to world acclaim. This is not easy to do and requires a work ethic and inteelectual and emotional drive few can comprehend. There is a reason why these guys, Wakeman, Banks et al are there and it is most certainly NOT laziness. They're like icebergs, 90% of what goes into the evident 10% is not readily apparent. Get closer and the iceberg becomes more apparent. Unless you're skippering the Titanic.

His manner, as is evident on the remaster DVDs is a guy reserved and down to earth. No drugs, likes cycling for exercise and has the sort of manner that has kept Genesis afloat and aloft certainly  together as a band (not forgetting the input of Stuermer and Thompson as a constant unit for longer than most bands have been around). He oversaw the remastering as well. He's not a frontman but he is exacting and lays it out for everyone else. Peter Gabriel could not have put on a Foxes Head unless the picture Banks painted allowed him to do so.

His style as soloist is that of someone with something to say, he knows what he wants to do, does it, show boating is not his thing but moments of solo piano show he can do the nifty thing just as much. But musical style is all about individual identity and how it is expressed. It's not solos but how a piece hangs together effectively, e.g. One For The Vine. There are others but as a keyboard "solo" with the full band absolutely essential to it's subtleties it has little competition.

Genesis had a superb sense of the ironic. Having a singer join whose hit was because of it being featured in jeans commercials was kind of amusing considering the whole I Can't Dance thing was satirizing just that. Of course RW has a great sense of humour, between his wit and Bruford's droll writing style they would make a good team on TV...

RW has made fantastic contributions to Yes who manage to struggle on without him. Genesis without Banks or Rutherford? I don't think so. Great musician and writer. Not much of a pop star though.


Yes, perfect statement, and that's why Banks is my musical reference

By the way Wakeman is there beside him, as the greatests keyboardists of all times.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 09:38
agree with uduwudu ---Banks is a quiet, genius who can do it all---Wakeman's work with Yes in the 70's was some amazing--ground breaking playing---but there is too much cheesy playing apart from the 70's for me to consider him better than Banks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 08:23
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 05:27
Originally posted by uduwudu uduwudu wrote:

Originally posted by Trane Trane wrote:

Hands down it's Wakeman. While Banks has made extraordinary contributions to great pieces of work, he's lazy. Never pushed boundaries nor exposed us to more than being a keyboard player in a band. Quite a disappointment.  


Tony Banks' Seven - A Suite For Orchestra demonstrated a flair for orchestral composition. I thought it was very liustenable albeit too polite. He needed to inject some of the fun and mystery he brought to Genesis rather than writing music that was more traditional, as though this is what is supposed to be written and recorded. maybe check out Varese, Messiaen and Stravinsky. He has been writing and recording for Genesis for 25 years and did shed loads of touring.

He emerged via folk pop rock beginning gradually merging  and developing symphonic styles in a small orchestra (rock band) context. He wrote many lyrics with his music as did his compadre Mike Rutherford. Together they brought a rock band to the high point of symphonic rock. then they shifted their emphasis and allowed the soul influences informing drummer extraordinaire and fine singer Phil Collins to broaden their range.

He and Genesis did a considerable amount - this really is an understatement- to bring music from obscurity to world acclaim. This is not easy to do and requires a work ethic and inteelectual and emotional drive few can comprehend. There is a reason why these guys, Wakeman, Banks et al are there and it is most certainly NOT laziness. They're like icebergs, 90% of what goes into the evident 10% is not readily apparent. Get closer and the iceberg becomes more apparent. Unless you're skippering the Titanic.

His manner, as is evident on the remaster DVDs is a guy reserved and down to earth. No drugs, likes cycling for exercise and has the sort of manner that has kept Genesis afloat and aloft certainly  together as a band (not forgetting the input of Stuermer and Thompson as a constant unit for longer than most bands have been around). He oversaw the remastering as well. He's not a frontman but he is exacting and lays it out for everyone else. Peter Gabriel could not have put on a Foxes Head unless the picture Banks painted allowed him to do so.

His style as soloist is that of someone with something to say, he knows what he wants to do, does it, show boating is not his thing but moments of solo piano show he can do the nifty thing just as much. But musical style is all about individual identity and how it is expressed. It's not solos but how a piece hangs together effectively, e.g. One For The Vine. There are others but as a keyboard "solo" with the full band absolutely essential to it's subtleties it has little competition.

Genesis had a superb sense of the ironic. Having a singer join whose hit was because of it being featured in jeans commercials was kind of amusing considering the whole I Can't Dance thing was satirizing just that. Of course RW has a great sense of humour, between his wit and Bruford's droll writing style they would make a good team on TV...

RW has made fantastic contributions to Yes who manage to struggle on without him. Genesis without Banks or Rutherford? I don't think so. Great musician and writer. Not much of a pop star though.








I always think that prog keyboard players can be grouped into those that sit quietly by the side while they are playing and those that are flamboyant and like to be at the front of the music and the stage

I would put Banks with Rod Argent , Dave Greenslade , Jon Lord* and Pete Bardens

Wakeman belongs with the Keith Emerson , Eddie Jobson and Patrick Moraz camp

* Jon Lord started off in the Emerson camp but then migrated to 'other side'.

A lot of this is to do with personality. Wakeman liked to embrace the latest keyboard tech while Banks was happy with his organ (so to speak). That may have made him seem 'lazy' and not pushing boundaries back. I agree with what you say though. Genesis were the most hard working and dedicated of all the prog band. Ultimate 100% professional in everything they did. Nothing could be considered 'lazy'.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 05:10
I`m a Genesis Freak, But vote went to Rick as he as a new album/concert.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 03:57
Originally posted by Trane Trane wrote:

Hands down it's Wakeman. While Banks has made extraordinary contributions to great pieces of work, he's lazy. Never pushed boundaries nor exposed us to more than being a keyboard player in a band. Quite a disappointment.  


Tony Banks' Seven - A Suite For Orchestra demonstrated a flair for orchestral composition. I thought it was very liustenable albeit too polite. He needed to inject some of the fun and mystery he brought to Genesis rather than writing music that was more traditional, as though this is what is supposed to be written and recorded. maybe check out Varese, Messiaen and Stravinsky. He has been writing and recording for Genesis for 25 years and did shed loads of touring.

He emerged via folk pop rock beginning gradually merging  and developing symphonic styles in a small orchestra (rock band) context. He wrote many lyrics with his music as did his compadre Mike Rutherford. Together they brought a rock band to the high point of symphonic rock. then they shifted their emphasis and allowed the soul influences informing drummer extraordinaire and fine singer Phil Collins to broaden their range.

He and Genesis did a considerable amount - this really is an understatement- to bring music from obscurity to world acclaim. This is not easy to do and requires a work ethic and inteelectual and emotional drive few can comprehend. There is a reason why these guys, Wakeman, Banks et al are there and it is most certainly NOT laziness. They're like icebergs, 90% of what goes into the evident 10% is not readily apparent. Get closer and the iceberg becomes more apparent. Unless you're skippering the Titanic.

His manner, as is evident on the remaster DVDs is a guy reserved and down to earth. No drugs, likes cycling for exercise and has the sort of manner that has kept Genesis afloat and aloft certainly  together as a band (not forgetting the input of Stuermer and Thompson as a constant unit for longer than most bands have been around). He oversaw the remastering as well. He's not a frontman but he is exacting and lays it out for everyone else. Peter Gabriel could not have put on a Foxes Head unless the picture Banks painted allowed him to do so.

His style as soloist is that of someone with something to say, he knows what he wants to do, does it, show boating is not his thing but moments of solo piano show he can do the nifty thing just as much. But musical style is all about individual identity and how it is expressed. It's not solos but how a piece hangs together effectively, e.g. One For The Vine. There are others but as a keyboard "solo" with the full band absolutely essential to it's subtleties it has little competition.

Genesis had a superb sense of the ironic. Having a singer join whose hit was because of it being featured in jeans commercials was kind of amusing considering the whole I Can't Dance thing was satirizing just that. Of course RW has a great sense of humour, between his wit and Bruford's droll writing style they would make a good team on TV...

RW has made fantastic contributions to Yes who manage to struggle on without him. Genesis without Banks or Rutherford? I don't think so. Great musician and writer. Not much of a pop star though.







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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2014 at 06:32
Very tight - both are some of the best keyboardists in the world really - but Tony Banks because he's always getting these great, expensive chords underneath the Genesis songs (e.g. "Anyway"). Love both of them though Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2014 at 23:27
Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:


Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

To be fair, Tony has said plainly in interviews that he considers himself an accompanist, not a [Wakeman/Emerson]-type keyboard player. He categorizes himself as a composer.

I've not voted in this poll because, while I own more albums by/with Rick, I'm not going to "pick one" because their respective approaches and output are drastically different, stylistically and tonally. Both guys have recorded music that is either fantastic or questionable.

I saw the interview of Banks that you reference---in typical Banks fashion he is really putting down those other guys as show offs whereas he does it right---and tastefully. He is saying he could do what those other guys do but he has more taste.Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2014 at 23:13
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Wakeman, easily, both with Yes and solo. Though of course, Tony is really cool too.

We agree. 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2014 at 22:54
Apples and oranges really, but Tony Banks will always be my favorite prog rock keyboardist and he's a hell of a composer in his own right as well.

I do like Rick Wakeman a good bit and never found fault with his playing, but Banks always seemed to operate at a completely different level. He wasn't into pyrotechnics like Wakeman or Emerson, but all of those chord sequences in say One For The Vine are enough to make me forget about Wakeman and Emerson. In fact, I already have! Wink 


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