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grantman 
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The most important album of their career,my go to record par excellence the whole thing, not just one song but everything.
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In my case, Brain Salad, which requires surgery! But while BSS is my fave, it doesn't mean I'm lacking in respect for this most auspicious debut. This album somehow manages to bring on full fledged prog bombast, but with just the right amount of restraint to let the incredible composition strike a balance with the insane musicianship. Keith Emerson certainly served notice that rock organ/keyboards would never be the same.
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The.Crimson.King
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Keith used the prototype of the Moog Constellation system on BSS and the tour. The Constellation was Moog's answer to the Yamaha GX-1 (ironic since Keith eventually embraced the GX-1) consisted of the Apollo (the 1st fully polyphonic synth), the Lyra (a separate monophonic synth) and the Taurus bass pedals (though it's reported Keith never used it or brought it on the tour). For those curious, it's a little known story in the history of the synthesizer:  Personally, I think Keith's Moog use and abuse was much more groundbreaking on Pictures at an Exhibition (and the accompanying concert video, "Rock and Roll Your Eyes") than BSS, OTOH the Apollo was likely the 1st time a completely polyphonic synth ever appeared on album making Benny the Bouncer groundbreaking - a fact I bet drives the ELP-haters crazy
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Posted: September 20 2018 at 15:54 |
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What? Anyway, I view it as groovy, man.
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Posted: September 20 2018 at 15:14 |
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Not sure what ELP did that was brilliant with the synths on BSS. Not that they were bad or anything of course.
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Can't agree more!
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I love T'rat up through OLDH, myself, but that is an astonishing claim in any measure, especially considering who/what they're heavily emulating/channeling on that album. (I personally think Spartacus and OLDH represent their best work.) For me, there are simply too many other debut albums that come out ahead, e.g. Kansas, Goblin, Saga, King Crimson, U.K., Utopia, etc.
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dr wu23
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Richard, above, said 'sub Doors thing' for Knife Edge. Really?......are you serious? It sounds nothing like the Doors who never wrote a song this heavy or dynamic in their entire career....and Manzarek...a decent player is no where near Emerson's talent...not even in the same universe really.
And nonsensical lyrics?....that just about covers 90% of all prog rock. OK....carry on. ;)
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dr wu23
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Huh...call me confused... ;)
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I am not big ELP fan, but anyway this is my favourite from them.
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^ Hey Doug yep still around and annoying people it seems! re Knife Edge , really never got the love for this but hey ho. My favourite ELP track is Toccata so that perhaps points towards my taste a bit more. What ELP did with synths on BSS is off the scale brilliant. Knife Edge is an archaic hangover from the late sixties sub Doors thing with typical nonsensical lyrics. Album filler at best. Right I'm off then…!
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if it wasn't ELP I wouldn't bother trying to get a f**king post through captcha a 2nd time.. f**k you M@X and catchas and emoticons as well.. especially after a good evening at the local bar. yeah Richard. I might have to revoke your '2nd in charge' (behind the Big MIck of course) ELP fanclub for that stinker of a post. Knife's Edge rules. Simple as that. I'd expect that sentiment from Neo Fans or the f**king bobbleheads who have no idea that prog can be heavy and intense. What a dynamic from the lovely and romanitic Take a Pebble where his vocals make me want to hang Raff from a ceiing fan and do the sh*t drunken frat boys (and apparantly Supreme Court judges) do their women but with Knife's Edge you get an intensity and anger that poseur bands can only dream of reaching. While Lake' voice can make me think of playing for the other side in its beauty and expressiveness.. when he goes in bad Lake.. angry Lake as he did here.. man.. I feel to the urge to revist my mid 20's and lay waste to JD bottle and nail anything with red hair. Lake makes that track what it is .... the greatest with ZERO compition prog vocalist and rivaled by very few (namely Justin Hayward) in all of rock. Do listen to it again Richard... it is one bitchin song. |
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: September 19 2018 at 15:44 |
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Well stated and I agree 100 percent. BSS would be their best if it wasn't so repetitious in parts. The other two early studio albums have one great side but then too many filler or not so great songs.
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Posted: September 19 2018 at 15:41 |
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I love it and not just because it came out the year I was born. :P I prefer it over a certain red faced album believe it or not.
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Posted: September 19 2018 at 15:04 |
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A great debut album - full of invention and variation with super group and solo tracks. Still have a slight preference for Tarkus and Trilogy (sorry, the good doctor, must be the lettuce and tomatoes in my frontal lobe
 ), but not by a large amount. The Barbarian was still a great way to open their account, and the jazzy piano improvisations of Keith were amongst his best ever. Maybe not absolutely sure of the country acoustic guitar bit in Take A Pebble, and I also slightly prefer the Works Vol. 1 version of Tank - but it's all very minor really.Edited by Squonk19 - September 19 2018 at 15:05 |
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verslibre
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Posted: September 19 2018 at 13:43 |
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Are you serious, Richard? I love that song!
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The.Crimson.King
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I love it. The Barbarian is possibly the greatest opening song on any prog bands premier album. It grabs you by the scruff of the neck and gets in your face. Take a Pebble has never been one of my favorite ELP pieces, but the studio version with the clap-along party section is a great contrast. Knife Edge is one of my fave ELP songs of all time and Keith sticking Bach's French Suite in D theme in the middle is very cool. I'm up for any reason to hear a CP drum solo so I'm good with Tank. The Three Fates is both powerful and dissonant which is a perfect contrast to Lucky Man. Keith's Moog solo at the end (even though he hated it) is one of the most iconic synth solos ever and was a real trail blazer. It was the 1st time I ever heard a synth (probably true of many people) and likely did as much as Switched on Bach to make the Moog name synonymous with the synthesizer.
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Hi,
Bought the album because of the hit song, but surprise, surprise, I liked everything else in that album a heck of a lot more than the hit song. But it was the next album that got me very much into this band, although that was also the time I was starting to find all the other European groups around, which lessened my interest in ELP, as many other bands in the continent were doing far more adventurous work at the time. Still, it is Keith Emerson and the works he did with his band, that show what a fantastic composer and music designer he was ... listening to Rachel Flowers do piano versions and even simple versions of his work, just about shows what a great composer Keith was ... if only we gave him that credit instead of thinking this whole thing is strictly about ELP ... can you imagine Keith trying to explain to his 2 friends how to do Tarkus? And how their eventual output made it even stronger! Maybe we all need a lesson in how difficult creating something it can be! Specially when you have to share it with a couple of other members in the group.
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