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    Posted: February 10 2019 at 23:08
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Thanks for posting that version, I had never heard it. It's nice as a curiosity, but I'm glad they settled for the slow version for the actual album, it sounds so much nicer.

Good to hear from you as well, Gerard. Yeah, there is an eloquence to the actual piece. Go in another direction and you might gain something, but you'll probably lose something too. I wouldn't want to rewrite history, but to be a fly on the wall when such a creative decision is being made, I'd go for that (if I didn't have a phobia of insects, that is).


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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Well, thanks ever so much for sharing this, Todd. I have never heard this before, and that first couple of minutes, especially, is fascinating. Indeed, I am surprised that a similar recasting of this wasn't on one of the Genesis Revisited albums Hackett did.

I do love the SEBTP version, because, to me, it is a reassertion of the calm, English, pastoral theme of the album after the chaos of The Battle of Epping Forest, a return to calm and order of the country which the album is all about.

However, in terms of the history of this great band, this demo is incredible. I wonder just how much there is to hear out there?

So happy to from you, Steve. Yeah, the second half foreshadows the final track pretty well. It's the first half where the fascinating departure takes place. You have a good take on it concerning the pastoral theme, which is quintessential Genesis without question. Genesis has always had so much in the way of mood swings from one section to another. To hear two alternatives of the same section so drastically recast as it was in the process of being created is striking. There are, BTW, surprisingly quite a few Genesis demos on YouTube recorded as they were developing the songs. Someone with the username, Glickton uploaded several.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote grantman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2019 at 18:18
The intro for blood on the rooftops, sounds great to me ,but of course ,i am 100 years old, and play only acoustic guitar, but I agree with you AFTER THE ORDEAL is definitely, a masterpiece .Steves finest work in genesis.
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Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

That used to be my assessment too. In the last few years, I've made my peace with MFM. The (seemingly) weak track I skip over now is I know What I Like... Peter Gabriel got tired of performing it early on. I do see why. However, I like the slightly funky twist Hackett puts on it from the first revisited album onward. Very enjoyable.

Back concerning After the Ordeal, I also truly adore the original, as I've already raved. It's difficult to really and truly weigh the merits between a fully developed studio track and a demo version. Given my sensibilities as a teen, it might have been nice to have had a stronger Rock element on the album, as the demo version might have provided. But really all I wish is that we had both. Maybe Steve could be persuaded to finish and flesh it out? Who knows?



I, too, will occasionally skip over I Know What I Like. Get me to Firth of Fifth ASAP.

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Much prefer the album version. 
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Thanks for posting that version, I had never heard it. It's nice as a curiosity, but I'm glad they settled for the slow version for the actual album, it sounds so much nicer.
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Well, thanks ever so much for sharing this, Todd. I have never heard this before, and that first couple of minutes, especially, is fascinating. Indeed, I am surprised that a similar recasting of this wasn't on one of the Genesis Revisited albums Hackett did.

I do love the SEBTP version, because, to me, it is a reassertion of the calm, English, pastoral theme of the album after the chaos of The Battle of Epping Forest, a return to calm and order of the country which the album is all about.

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For anyone who might not be aware, there's an excellent live version of After the Ordeal on Hackett's Live In Liverpool DVD. It's also viewable on YouTube.


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That used to be my assessment too. In the last few years, I've made my peace with MFM. The (seemingly) weak track I skip over now is I know What I Like... Peter Gabriel got tired of performing it early on. I do see why. However, I like the slightly funky twist Hackett puts on it from the first revisited album onward. Very enjoyable.

Back concerning After the Ordeal, I also truly adore the original, as I've already raved. It's difficult to really and truly weigh the merits between a fully developed studio track and a demo version. Given my sensibilities as a teen, it might have been nice to have had a stronger Rock element on the album, as the demo version might have provided. But really all I wish is that we had both. Maybe Steve could be persuaded to finish and flesh it out? Who knows?




Edited by HackettFan - February 10 2019 at 11:02
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Whoa, never heard that version before; thanks for linking!

I DEFINITELY dig this! After The Ordeal is one of my more favorite tracks from SEBTP. If they cut More Fool Me an added an extended version to ATO like the above, I'd be very happy LOL.

In all honesty, I DO really enjoy the original; this is just fun, and I always poke at MFM for essentially "ruining" (IMHPO) an otherwise perfect progressive rock record.

I'd love to hear a polished version!

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I've always considered After the Ordeal to be the best track on Selling England By the Pound, an absolute masterpiece. Naturally no one would disagree. I recall in an interview once, Steve Hackett said that he was originally trying to make it as a Rock piece, but it turned into the more classical style piece we know today. I ran across this YouTube upload of an old demo, which seems to be the early version Steve alluded to. Give it a listen. It's fascinating:

After the Ordeal (earlier version)

What do you think made Hackett change course? What would you have preferred? A polished version of this, or the version that actually came out?




Edited by HackettFan - February 09 2019 at 20:36
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