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Also, I think it comes down to a person's individually-shaped nervous system: how sensitive one's hearing and brain is to sound. As I've listened to music over the years I find myself more reactive to the sound that the bands, engineers, and producers shaped into their "final versions"--that is, what we are allowed to hear. Ofttimes I find myself scratching my head at the ultimate sound choices made in those production booths. "What were they thinking?" or "How could they let this go in this condition?" are frequent reactions to the rendered music I'm listening to, not the loss or compression or high or low ends or scratches. My days as an audiophile were always ultimately placed at the mercy of the artists, producers and production companies. It'd be easier for me to tell you which albums feel well-produced than which albums sound best.

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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

I never knew audiophiles listened to MP3's.


Former audiophiles. For those of us old geezers who've experienced hearing loss or who just don't care anymore.
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^ Agreed. I never went down that road too far, fortunately. These days I stick with truly audiophile solutions, taking the word literally. That means digital only, for the most part (going back to vinyl only for nostalgic reasons) and listening through decent headphones. Minimal equipment, focus on the music instead
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If you think about "audiophilia" as a journey instead of a destination, it may be helpful. Get the best system you can afford, and over time pick up components that improve the sound. Don't get turned off by people who are super-deep in that world. It's just like if someone is interested in getting into progressive rock. Nobody in their right mind is going to suggest a Thinking Plague album or something like that; they're going to suggest something more accessible. It's no different in the audiophile world. If you're just starting out, you may not be able to appreciate yet some of the more esoteric stuff out there.

One of the best decisions I have made in my musical life is to put a little more time and energy into my stereo system. I highly recommend it!
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I came about being an "audiophile" backwards according to Parsons. I'm really too poor to be a real audiophile, so I have to be smart about it, so I do a lot of research and look at specs before I buy anything.

I like my old Yes and similar bands (like the Parsons ProjectWink)that need a lot of range-up high and down low. Furthermore, I've got a lot of vinyl and need to handle that too. My system needs to be able to bring out the magic of an album like Close to the Edge or Relayer.

My old system is what most people would call vintage and old Technics amp and turntable that gave up last summer. After looking hard at what was available in my price range, my choice came down to Rotel or Cambridge Audio. I went with a Cambridge Audio Amp and CD player and rounded it out with an Audio-Technica turntable.

Since I listen to a lot of streamed audio, I got a DAC too and can stream to my amp from my computer.

Now I sometimes hear- Maw, Crazy Uncle James is listening to metal again!
There might have been things I missed
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Looks like just my Tomita collection.




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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Funny thing is, I have no idea how many others I might have. I'll have to do a collection review and report back.
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The wicki'd one has a listing of all titles, and skip it all until you get to 1973 or so, so you don't get Mario'd all over the place, and the over abundance of the same pieces of classical music. 

All you want to remember that this was the best recording of any music in that time, with the possible exception of the Beatles and Rolling Stones, even though, I'm not sure that a better studio makes the Stones even better ... they are better without the studio anyway (when they are in tune and not too loud!!!!!).

(BTW, weird that no one took to Alan's words and/or my reply ... it tells you how much we really care about the message, instead of the medium, which sadly is what this thread is about!


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Funny thing is, I have no idea how many others I might have. I'll have to do a collection review and report back.
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

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Hi,

This has been, it could be said, the reason why in 1975 or 1976 I ended up with the ESS HEIL AMT-1 speakers. I took Tangerine Dream's Phaedra to the sound equipment store, and had it played on various speakers and NONE, including more expensive speakers, brought out the quality that the ESS speaker did of the album. I used "Mysterious Semblance ... " for the sample. Even a bunch of guys at the store were impressed by what was showing on the speakers, while one of them kept trying to show me how good the Rolling Stones sounded on another set! 

I wanted something else. Something that could also take on classical music and something that did not, necessarily, have that boomboom sound on it. And to me, this is the biggest issue for a lot of the speakers listed here ... I am not sure that I would use those to listen to some of the purest and best things ever done in recording, of which Alan Parsons is "one of them" but NOT THE ONLY ONE. 

For those that don't know, in the late 60's there was the RCA RED LABEL and it had the best recordings of a lot of music, including classical. Tomita's Debussy album was one of them (later) and Al Stewart had an album in 1973 as well. They did NOT do rock music for a long time, which makes the timing for Alan more opportunistic, by using processes and styles already in use by the RCA Red Seal ideas, which were designed for orchestras although Mario Lanza sure got the most albums ever! And the list was impressive, and it was done WAY BEFORE ALAN PARSONS was even an engineer, or at least just learning. But it had not, as yet gotten out of just doing classical music.

The most important thing about the albums in that seal was that it told us what Abbey Road was doing, that most of us had no idea ... the best equipment and design for music of all kinds, and Alan is (for all intents and purposes) the child of it, and he did the smart thing ... used it for rock music, for people that needed even more detail, when only the Beatles and Rolling Stones could afford the best!

Alan Parsons is nice stuff to listen to ... but then, what are you all comparing it to, when what was in one of those Red Seal albums is not even being given a shot ... the quality was comparable, if not better than what Alan Parsons did, and I think he would agree to that! Or at least agree to be on the same page with it!

BTW, (sidebar) the statement is important for ONE HUGE REASON ... it helps define the moment when you hear something special and you then work on improving it. I'm already thinking that we need to take on that line and study it some, but I think that Alan would agree that he was the student of the art of putting thigs together and he ended up becoming a sort of standard for it ... but to say that Tom Dowd, or George Martin did not have that ability is INSANE ... they brought us some of the greatest music ever, and Alan was nowhere near it. And it was their ability to define and decide how to use it in the studio that made the difference, since none of their bands or artists ever sounded as well when Tom, or George were not around!



Edited by moshkito - March 20 2022 at 06:54
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^ And he knows more than anyone, the production of DSOtM was done at such a high level of craftmanship that almost ALL audiophiles use the album to show off their system, this has been happening for 50 yrs.

I cannot think of any recording done in the past 20years that could rival what Alan did on that album.....So he is partly to blame for his own comment, there is no better compliment than he can receive.
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

...What I'm saying is that audiophiles can be so obsessed with sound quality that they are focusing on it rather than the music.

They can also be obsessed with their equipment, no matter how bad (or good) the sound is. I knew a fellow once who had a very expensive, high-end system, and he was obsessed with leaving all tone/equalizer controls set at 0dB, regardless of how bad it sounded in his living room (with wood floors, little sound absorption, high ceiling, etc). It drastically needed some boost in the bass, mid-range attenuation, and isolation between the 3x3 ft speaker cabinets and the floor. But he was adamant that the tinny, shrill, harsh pressure waves impinging on my ears was "...how it's supposed to sound because this his high-end equipment".

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^^ For me you listen to both (gear and music) when listening to a higher end system. The reason you go higher end (for lack of better term) is so you can hear more of the music. You get much more resolution and of course dynamics are much better, retrieval of music is much clearer and it can sound different.

Because I have a much better system than I did 30yrs ago, most of my music from the 70s has a different "feel" and I hear more of it and much higher details....I enjoy my music so much more now than I did, but I did not know that before. 


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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

^NOPE.
Only the music can reveal the true nature of the tool that is interpreting it. It's the differences in the source material that has to be listened to in order to judge the gears performance.
 
This misses the point of what I've been saying. What I'm saying is that audiophiles can be so obsessed with sound quality that they are focusing on it rather than the music.[EDIT]
Ok, I get what you're saying but at the root of the listening is the MUSIC. The whole point is to make the music sound better, yes? So logic dictates that the way to discern that is by listening to the differences in the source material (MUSIC) on different gear. See what I'm saying? Otherwise, audiophiles would ONLY evaluate the gear via technology that measures objectively the differences (ie: oscilloscopes and RTA's).
 
Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

And as to your editing comment, I've done the same with many of my LP's in the past and it can be an arduous process. but that is a very specific operation for listening.
 
So you do acknowledge that one can play music but listen quite intently to something that is not the music.
In a very limited scope, yes of course. But even it you are focusing on say, a snare sound, you are still listening to the MUSIC yes?
 
Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Once the process has been completed and burned to CD, voilà, it's the music once again.
 
Non sequitur. The point of talking about the scratch removal process was to illustrate that one can play music but listen quite intently to something that is not the music. Listening to the music after the scratch removal process has been completed is not relevant to this point.
 
It is in the context of the audiophile evaluating the gear.
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

^NOPE.
Only the music can reveal the true nature of the tool that is interpreting it. It's the differences in the source material that has to be listened to in order to judge the gears performance.
 
This misses the point of what I've been saying. What I'm saying is that audiophiles can be so obsessed with sound quality that they are focusing on it rather than the music. I wasn't discussing how sound quality is assessed. Nor was I suggesting that there is no audible difference between a top-of-the-line stereo system and a middle-of-the-road stereo system (although audiophiles do seem to think that they have superhuman hearing... but that's another topic).
 
 
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

And as to your editing comment, I've done the same with many of my LP's in the past and it can be an arduous process. but that is a very specific operation for listening.
 
So you do acknowledge that one can play music but listen quite intently to something that is not the music.
 
 
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Once the process has been completed and burned to CD, voilà, it's the music once again.
 
Non sequitur. The point of talking about the scratch removal process was to illustrate that one can play music but listen quite intently to something that is not the music. Listening to the music after the scratch removal process has been completed is not relevant to this point.
 
 

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^Did you volumematch the files beforehand?
If so I’m fairly confident that there are plenty of scientists who would like to meet (and test!) you.
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I can hear the difference between MP3 320 and VO, FLAC etc etc. 

They're incredibly minor and you have to have a trained musical ear. However. If the original recording was made, say, in the 60's or 70's and recorded by madmen using old biscuit tins, you're merely hearing badly recorded music with the limits on fidelity that produces. 

You cannot polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter. 

If you weren't there in the room at the time it was recorded, you don't really have a comparison. ;-) 

Is there a difference ? Probably on an oscilloscope. 

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