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Poll Question: Which Rush album do you prefer?
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    Posted: April 26 2025 at 21:12
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

^
Sorry to hear that Mike.
I know. It's crazy after a certain age if feels like it's just one after another between friends and family members. Times flies.



Yeah, kind of. I had an uncle who passed away in February after sustaining injuries from a car accident after a week. He was 95 but still. Most of my other relatives who passed away I wasn't particularly close to. This recent one from my old friend seems to have cut the deepest though.
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Both are great, but I think the songwriting is consistently good to excellent on Signals whereas Grace Under Pressure is less consistent. I think the same is true if you compare Power Windows with Hold Your Fire, with Power Windows having the edge. The albums after that period are not as strong until you hit Counterparts, when they changed their sound towards grunge … but I digress. Having said that, Distant Early Warning is such a great 80s-era Rush song, so Grace Under Pressure is worth a listen. Signals was also a bold move in terms of sound coming off their best-known album, Moving Pictures. And, Subdivisions is truly a masterpiece.

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Signals for me

the because = 'Losing It'
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:


I totally agree about "afterimage." I just found out recently that an old friend of mine (and a very good one at one point also) passed away recently of cancer. I'm still trying to deal with it and one of the songs I've been playing a bit of on youtube (as part of the healing process) is "afterimage."


Dang man, sorry about that, so tough to deal with and process.



Thanks. It really is especially initially. The thing is I hadn't seen him in over 25 years (although I did correspond with him breifly via email just before Covid started) but it still is difficult. He was actually sort of a local icon (he was a professional poet) where he lived (where I grew up) so it's easy to find information about him and read his stuff online although I find that to be a bit painful so I don't do too much of it. It kind of reminds me of Neil's passing in a way (although a differernt form of cancer).

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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:


I totally agree about "afterimage." I just found out recently that an old friend of mine (and a very good one at one point also) passed away recently of cancer. I'm still trying to deal with it and one of the songs I've been playing a bit of on youtube (as part of the healing process) is "afterimage."


Dang man, sorry about that, so tough to deal with and process.
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^ Very sorry to hear that too, Mike. Please take care, It has become a frequent occurrence in my life (every few months seem to lose someone who has been very important in my and/or my wife's lives). It does happen more as you and they get older... And I don't even have many close friends or family members. For the more sociable of you it would be worse still. Still, mourning regularly.
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Sorry to hear that Mike.
I know. It's crazy after a certain age if feels like it's just one after another between friends and family members. Times flies.
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I went with both equally on this one. Signals was the first one I bought and heard but "distant early warning" is my favorite song from anything on either album and there's a few other gems on there too. Overall, I can't really choose between them which is why I decided to go for both equally.


"Afterimage" is a lyric that hits home at a certain age when you start having to say goodbyes.

So many of the songs resonated with friends and myself at the time, and all of us were "early Rush" fans so it was remarkable. We didn't like Signals, but Grace was pretty enthusiastically received by all of us in my little group of high school dorks. We were all living with the constant trauma of having missed the 70s concert scene for being too young, so we took what scraps we were thrown in the 80s and made the best of it.


I totally agree about "afterimage." I just found out recently that an old friend of mine (and a very good one at one point also) passed away recently of cancer. I'm still trying to deal with it and one of the songs I've been playing a bit of on youtube (as part of the healing process) is "afterimage."
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Signals pour moi.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

If you want to read Neil's cringiest lyrics, those are found on Roll the Bones, Test for Echo, and Snakes and Arrows.   


This is the main reason I stopped buying Rush albums after Presto. It was almost as if they realized they had such a devoted audience that they could get away with anything after 1990 and the fans would automatically keep coming back for more. Recording and touring was no longer a hunger or about creative exploration, but just a very profitable hobby.
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I like both, but I think Signals is a few steps ahead of GuP with Subdivisions, The Weapon and Losing it.
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I prefer Signals, but I do like Grace Under Pressure.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I went with both equally on this one. Signals was the first one I bought and heard but "distant early warning" is my favorite song from anything on either album and there's a few other gems on there too. Overall, I can't really choose between them which is why I decided to go for both equally.


"Afterimage" is a lyric that hits home at a certain age when you start having to say goodbyes.

So many of the songs resonated with friends and myself at the time, and all of us were "early Rush" fans so it was remarkable. We didn't like Signals, but Grace was pretty enthusiastically received by all of us in my little group of high school dorks. We were all living with the constant trauma of having missed the 70s concert scene for being too young, so we took what scraps we were thrown in the 80s and made the best of it.
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neither, but GUP and Windows are potentially the worst un-Rush albums ever.

So Signals gets my vote.

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I went with both equally on this one. Signals was the first one I bought and heard but "distant early warning" is my favorite song from anything on either album and there's a few other gems on there too. Overall, I can't really choose between them which is why I decided to go for both equally.

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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Never understood the appeal of GUP, it was a shock to the ears of older fans and the tour was disappointing to say the least.   Grace under pressure indeed, but hardly graceful, and the pressure came from the band, their dismissal of Terry Brown, cheesy '80s haircuts, and the rejection of their fantastic past.
A "shock to the ears of older fans" who wanted 2113, maybe.

Rush enjoyed years of successful collaborations with Broon, but that lake was now a dry bed. Survival requires change. The songwriting was the key. They conjured up eight more fantastic songs that sound patently "Rush." The new material evoked a stark dystopian aesthetic; it was meaner, more urgent, "future-rock."

You have to remember that Signals also did not escape the wrath of "old Rush fans" who lamented the increased role of keyboards in their music. (Alex, too!) Then there were those of us who relished it.
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^ ^ Alex was the best thing that year with his cool new minimal style.   But "I see red, it hurts my head, must be something that I read" was not Peart's best moment.   Even Body Electric's "1 0 0, 1 0 0, 1 in distress" (one of the better things on the album) was a cringe-worthy '80s mech-rock shock when compared to just two years earlier.
Sorry, I disagree. As quirky "Red Lenses" is, it's a great song. There are no bad songs on GUP. It's a perfect album.

If you want to read Neil's cringiest lyrics, those are found on Roll the Bones, Test for Echo, and Snakes and Arrows.   


2112 is far from their best record, a bit juvenile if you ask me.   Signals on the other hand was & is a terrific record despite the synths and shortened thematics.

As far as your "eight more fantastic songs" and GUP being a "perfect album", you must be a second-gen Rush fan, it's the only explanation.   And while I agree Roll the Bones was not their peak (saw that tour too), at least it had a modicum of heart.   

Grace Under Pressure was a bowl of cold stone soup.

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

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Well, I saw the Grace tour from the 3rd row on Alex's side, and "disappointing" does not describe our evening nor the other fans around us who were very obviously digging it. Had a total blast.

Cheesy haircuts? You got me there.


I skipped the GUP tour (I think...?) but did see the PW tour (awesome) and then Presto with the big bunnies
That was my wife's first Rush concert...she liked the bunnies.


Forgot about the bunnies!
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Naturally, if I could have chosen the set list myself, it would have been the first three albums played cover to cover....that's my idea of optimal Rush.


Rush + Fly by Night + Caress of Steel? That would get old pretty fast. I've no use for the debut. They sound like a high school band on that.


Never! Still love it.

Agree with you, though, on Grace being a perfect album.
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I almost got off the RUSH bus with Signals, but I did get off that bus with Grace Under Pressure. Not a big fan of their synth years. But I did return to RUSH in the mid-nineties and picked up those albums I had passed on earlier. Voted Signals.
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