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    Posted: April 21 2006 at 13:52
Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Yes, www.italianprog.it  is actually the most complete source for italian prog.
 
I totally agreed with you guys,Smile
 
italianprog.it is a wonderful site,full of informations and I consult it regurally.Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 13:09
Yes, www.italianprog.it  is actually the most complete source for italian prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2006 at 09:06

In the seventies there were a lot of prog artists in Italy... Some of them are almost completely unknown and their albums are quite difficult to find... So, no wonder if nobody knows them!

Anyway, this is a good site where you can find a lot of info about the Italian prog artists of the seventies...

http://www.italianprog.com/

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2006 at 05:19
Originally posted by anael anael wrote:


I will add some more:

  • Fabio Celi E Gli Infermieri
  • Hunka Munka
  • Quel Giorno Di Uve Rosse
  • Forum Livii
  • Luciano Basso

    Fabio, Hunka and Luciano are in the vein of Alan Sorrenti, Quel Giorno has a very good album, quite similar to Pholas Dactylus and Forum Livii with some singles, but Space Dilemma: Wow! what a song! I can't figure it out why they've never recorded a long play?

    Andrew or Andrea Cortese or Andrea do you guys know this ones?
  • Never heard to none of them! 

    Thanks for the recommendations. I'll check'em out!

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2006 at 16:44

    I will add some more:

  • Fabio Celi E Gli Infermieri
  • Hunka Munka
  • Quel Giorno Di Uve Rosse
  • Forum Livii
  • Luciano Basso

    Fabio, Hunka and Luciano are in the vein of Alan Sorrenti, Quel Giorno has a very good album, quite similar to Pholas Dactylus and Forum Livii with some singles, but Space Dilemma: Wow! what a song! I can't figure it out why they've never recorded a long play?

    Andrew or Andrea Cortese or Andrea do you guys know this ones?
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2006 at 12:58

    Well, I remember that in my wasted youth  I used to like I Dik Dik quite a lot (didn't they record an Italian-language cover of "Nights in White Satin"?) - though I liked I Nomadi even more. Hopefully you're not a fan of Pooh's after-Parsifal output!

    BTW, I think we should discuss the matter in the Collaborators section too, as it is there that band additions are decided. If you need any help with an "Italian-prog" team, I would be glad to help - though I've always been keener on foreign music, I remember quite a few of the things I used to listen to when I was younger.

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2006 at 11:56

    How about I Dik Dik? They are on this site only with the album "Suite per una Donna Assolutamente Relativa" (1972).

    My opinion is that we have to include to this site all the prog stuff.

    Even the "Parsifal" album.

    Since the band is clearly only a "slushy, commercial pop" band (thanks for using your own words) then we should avoid the rest of its discography.

    As for example I Dik Dik their one studio album here.

    http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAN D.asp?band_id=1796

    This is what to do with Sorrenti & co. and that's my humble opinion.

    The fact of the popish records from Yes and Genesis during the 80s (the most clear example), this is an irrilevant matter because these bands are undoubtetly "PROG BANDS".



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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2006 at 11:20

    Well, I see your point, but I don't really think any albums by Yes or even Genesis are as awful as most of Pooh's career (or '80s New Trolls, for that matter....). I know very well that everyone was more or less influenced by prog in the '70s, as I was there at the time, though still rather young.

    Anyway, as a collaborator of this site, I think we should avoid including musicians who only made one or two prog albums in their whole career and then started doing something completely different - not even rock (as in the case of Deep Purple or Queen), but straightforward, slushy, commercial pop!

    Just my 2 cents, obviously...

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2006 at 09:43
    Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

    Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

    Cociante has some horrible 90's stuff (that is the one I am unfortunately familiar with) and this means that those albums would find themselves in the Archives too, given that the entire discography must be present

    Sorrenti: The name rings a bell (maybe read in references books), but like Branduardi and Batiatto, I was always guilty of searching groups rather than solo artistes. This was so for years and not just in Italians artistes

    let's also avoid Zucchero

    No, please, not Zucchero....

    BTW, I saw the above list, and being familiar with all of those names I must say I have my doubts about most of them. I agree on Alan Sorrenti's first two albums being prog - I used to like them quite a lot when they came out (I was not even a teenager, but I already listened to a lot of prog) - but then you would have to include the rest of his production... "Tu sei l'unica donna per me" on PA? God forbid!!!

    Branduardi, on the other hand, is quite good... but prog? I'm not sure about that. As to the funnily-named band Pooh (which was actually named after Winnie the Pooh), I can only comment with a . Perhaps they had some connection to prog when they started, about 40 years ago, but then they made lots of money playing slushy, sentimental pop music.

     

    By the way... Do you know that Corrado Rustici (Cervello, Nova) produced and arranged some of the best known Zucchero's album like "Blue's" and "Oro incenso e birra"? ... so also Zucchero is in a certain way "prog-related"...

    My list was made just to underline the influence of prog in Italian music, I don't think that all this artists should be included in PA, but it could be interesting discuss them in the forum... In 1971-1973 almost everybody in Italy was playing prog: prog was "in fashion" and plenty of prog albums were released... more than the market could absorbe! So many groups disbanded while other bands changed and tried new ways more rentables, like Pooh or Jet/Museo Rosenbach that formed Matia Bazar, or the former guitarist and singer of Semiramis Michele Zarrillo... Personally I don't like Pooh but if they had relesed only "Parsifal" they woud have been in PA... 

    Alan Sorrenti was tightly bound to prog mouvement at the beginning of his career ... So his early albums were definitely prog... I can't see what's the problem if also the other ones are included in PA: all we have to do is simply tell that they're awful!!! (like some albums of the eighties of PFM, BMS, New Trolls or Genesis, Yes, etc...) 

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2006 at 07:27

    Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

    Cociante has some horrible 90's stuff (that is the one I am unfortunately familiar with) and this means that those albums would find themselves in the Archives too, given that the entire discography must be present

    Sorrenti: The name rings a bell (maybe read in references books), but like Branduardi and Batiatto, I was always guilty of searching groups rather than solo artistes. This was so for years and not just in Italians artistes

    let's also avoid Zucchero

    No, please, not Zucchero....

    BTW, I saw the above list, and being familiar with all of those names I must say I have my doubts about most of them. I agree on Alan Sorrenti's first two albums being prog - I used to like them quite a lot when they came out (I was not even a teenager, but I already listened to a lot of prog) - but then you would have to include the rest of his production... "Tu sei l'unica donna per me" on PA? God forbid!!!

    Branduardi, on the other hand, is quite good... but prog? I'm not sure about that. As to the funnily-named band Pooh (which was actually named after Winnie the Pooh), I can only comment with a . Perhaps they had some connection to prog when they started, about 40 years ago, but then they made lots of money playing slushy, sentimental pop music.

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2006 at 06:18

    Great to know you also have listened to Zappa (Riccardo).

    Prog-folk? Yes, this is what I also think, even if his music is not "folkish" at all! This is the main problem with Zappa.

    BTW the great role for acoustic instruments (guitars mainly but also mandolin and from the second album percussions) moves me to cathegorize his works under the sub-genre Prog-Folk.

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2006 at 13:54
    Just heard Ricardo Zappa's Celestion album ... definitely worth an addition under Prog-Folk, IMO! 
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2006 at 09:32

    Thanks andrea for supporting all the great italian stuff!!Thumbs Up

    But it's absolutely natural, since you're italian too!!!

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2006 at 16:11
    Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

    Regarding the additions of artistes: Unfortunately M@X has been adament to have their full discographies in the Archives

    You can imagine how much of a draw back it can be for artistes who have just one or two prog albums. If that was not such a problem, I would've introduced Santana a long time ago and limited it to the 70's albums

    So For Cocciante and Sorrenti..... Rather difficult

     

    This could be an useful link...

    http://digilander.libero.it/gianni61dgl/alansorrenti.htm

     

     

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 06:15

    Brand new reissue in papersleeve CD edition for Riccardo Zappa's debut album from 1977!

    Euro 15,00!!

    http://www.btf.it/

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2006 at 04:08

    ...continue from my previous post:

    I've seen there are other bands included on the archives with only their unique (or few) progressive effort!!

    As, for example, I Dik Dik, Equipe 84 and I Giganti!!!!

    So, it is, at least, curious to deny the inclusion to other prog artists as Sorrenti and Zappa (Riccardo)!!

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:10
    Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

    You have to consider that Alan Sorrenti's career is a UNICUM in the italian prog scene of the seventies!

    His progressive works (first three albums, 1972, 1973, 1974) are miliar stones of the genre in the development of the genre in Italy! His works are definable "RIO / Avant Prog" and are so strongly progressive as so strongly pop are the next albums he released after a two years break from 1976!

    Here we are not speaking about a pop artist who made also (and curiously) a progressive album, but about a PROGRESSIVE ARTIST who, surprisingly, changed his musical behaviour after he reached so high goals (I'm not speak of sellings, obviously!).

    For the right development of this site, I ask you and Max to re-consider this unjust choice!

    ALAN SORRENTI is not my favourite artist but I have to agree... The early works of Sorrenti were very inluential, he took part to many prog-festivals... He was part of the Italian-prog scene... Differently from Battiato the rest of his career is absolutely to forget... Fortunately he wasn't so prolific!

     

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:02
    Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

    Anymore thoughts about why Italian groups have that unfair advantage of their own category?

    And why this should remain?

     

    Actually, I do not mind too much but... "Italian-progressive" has always been considered a sub-genre here in Italy too... "Italian-progressive" not "Italian-symphonic-progressive": for me it's difficult understand why Area and Arti & Mestieri are in another section... Well, it's difficult to define the genres, you know...   

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2006 at 06:47

    Ok for Cocciante but leaving out Alan Sorrenti it's a crime!!

     

    You have to consider that Alan Sorrenti's career is a UNICUM in the italian prog scene of the seventies!

    His progressive works (first three albums, 1972, 1973, 1974) are miliar stones of the genre in the development of the genre in Italy! His works are definable "RIO / Avant Prog" and are so strongly progressive as so strongly pop are the next albums he released after a two years break from 1976!

    Here we are not speaking about a pop artist who made also (and curiously) a progressive album, but about a PROGRESSIVE ARTIST who, surprisingly, changed his musical behaviour after he reached so high goals (I'm not speak of sellings, obviously!).

    For the right development of this site, I ask you and Max to re-consider this unjust choice!

     

    P.S. and what about Riccardo Zappa? Have you heard Celestion or Chatka? Let me know about.Wink

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2006 at 03:35

    Regarding the additions of artistes: Unfortunately M@X has been adament to have their full discographies in the Archives

    You can imagine how much of a draw back it can be for artistes who have just one or two prog albums. If that was not such a problem, I would've introduced Santana a long time ago and limited it to the 70's albums

    So Foir Cocciante and Sorrenti..... Rather difficult

     

     

     

     

     

    So Apparently there are three Andreas around

    You guys are making things simple

     

    Anymore thoughts about why Italian groups have that unfair advantage of their own category?

    And why this should remain?

    let's just stay above the moral melee
    prefer the sink to the gutter
    keep our sand-castle virtues
    content to be a doer
    as well as a thinker,
    prefer lifting our pen
    rather than un-sheath our sword
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