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pierreolivier ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: August 31 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 222 |
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I totally agreed with you guys,
![]() italianprog.it is a wonderful site,full of informations and I consult it regurally.
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Andrea Cortese ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
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Yes, www.italianprog.it is actually the most complete source for italian prog.
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andrea ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 20 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 2078 |
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In the seventies there were a lot of prog artists in Italy... Some of them are almost completely unknown and their albums are quite difficult to find... So, no wonder if nobody knows them! Anyway, this is a good site where you can find a lot of info about the Italian prog artists of the seventies... |
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Andrea Cortese ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
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Never heard to none of them! Thanks for the recommendations. I'll check'em out! |
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anael ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 09 2005 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 825 |
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I will add some more: Fabio, Hunka and Luciano are in the vein of Alan Sorrenti, Quel Giorno has a very good album, quite similar to Pholas Dactylus and Forum Livii with some singles, but Space Dilemma: Wow! what a song! I can't figure it out why they've never recorded a long play? ![]() Andrew or Andrea Cortese or Andrea do you guys know this ones? |
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24439 |
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Well, I remember that in my wasted youth BTW, I think we should discuss the matter in the Collaborators section too, as it is there that band additions are decided. If you need any help with an "Italian-prog" team, I would be glad to help - though I've always been keener on foreign music, I remember quite a few of the things I used to listen to when I was younger. |
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Andrea Cortese ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
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How about I Dik Dik? They are on this site only with the album "Suite per una Donna Assolutamente Relativa" (1972). My opinion is that we have to include to this site all the prog stuff. Even the "Parsifal" album. Since the band is clearly only a "slushy, commercial pop" band (thanks for using your own words As for example I Dik Dik their one studio album here. http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAN D.asp?band_id=1796 This is what to do with Sorrenti & co. and that's my humble opinion. The fact of the popish records from Yes and Genesis during the 80s (the most clear example), this is an irrilevant matter because these bands are undoubtetly "PROG BANDS". Edited by Andrea Cortese |
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24439 |
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Well, I see your point, but I don't really think any albums by Yes or even Genesis are as awful as most of Pooh's career (or '80s New Trolls, for that matter....). I know very well that everyone was more or less influenced by prog in the '70s, as I was there at the time, though still rather young. Anyway, as a collaborator of this site, I think we should avoid including musicians who only made one or two prog albums in their whole career and then started doing something completely different - not even rock (as in the case of Deep Purple or Queen), but straightforward, slushy, commercial pop! Just my 2 cents, obviously... |
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andrea ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 20 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 2078 |
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By the way... Do you know that Corrado Rustici (Cervello, Nova) produced and arranged some of the best known Zucchero's album like "Blue's" and "Oro incenso e birra"? ... so also Zucchero is in a certain way "prog-related"... My list was made just to underline the influence of prog in Italian music, I don't think that all this artists should be included in PA, but it could be interesting discuss them in the forum... In 1971-1973 almost everybody in Italy was playing prog: prog was "in fashion" and plenty of prog albums were released... more than the market could absorbe! So many groups disbanded while other bands changed and tried new ways more rentables, like Pooh or Jet/Museo Rosenbach that formed Matia Bazar, or the former guitarist and singer of Semiramis Michele Zarrillo... Personally I don't like Pooh but if they had relesed only "Parsifal" they woud have been in PA... Alan Sorrenti was tightly bound to prog mouvement at the beginning of his career ... So his early albums were definitely prog... I can't see what's the problem if also the other ones are included in PA: all we have to do is simply tell that they're awful!!! (like some albums of the eighties of PFM, BMS, New Trolls or Genesis, Yes, etc...) |
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24439 |
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No, please, not Zucchero.... BTW, I saw the above list, and being familiar with all of those names I must say I have my doubts about most of them. I agree on Alan Sorrenti's first two albums being prog - I used to like them quite a lot when they came out (I was not even a teenager, but I already listened to a lot of prog) - but then you would have to include the rest of his production... "Tu sei l'unica donna per me" on PA? God forbid!!! Branduardi, on the other hand, is quite good... but prog? I'm not sure about that. As to the funnily-named band Pooh (which was actually named after Winnie the Pooh), I can only comment with a |
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Andrea Cortese ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
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Great to know you also have listened to Zappa (Riccardo). Prog-folk? Yes, this is what I also think, even if his music is not "folkish" at all! This is the main problem with Zappa. BTW the great role for acoustic instruments (guitars mainly but also mandolin and from the second album percussions) moves me to cathegorize his works under the sub-genre Prog-Folk. |
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Trotsky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 25 2004 Location: Malaysia Status: Offline Points: 2774 |
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Just heard Ricardo Zappa's Celestion album ... definitely worth an addition under Prog-Folk, IMO!
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Andrea Cortese ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
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Thanks andrea for supporting all the great italian stuff!! But it's absolutely natural, since you're italian too!!! |
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andrea ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 20 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 2078 |
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This could be an useful link... http://digilander.libero.it/gianni61dgl/alansorrenti.htm
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Andrea Cortese ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
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Brand new reissue in papersleeve CD edition for Riccardo Zappa's debut album from 1977! Euro 15,00!! |
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Andrea Cortese ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
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...continue from my previous post: I've seen there are other bands included on the archives with only their unique (or few) progressive effort!! As, for example, I Dik Dik, Equipe 84 and I Giganti!!!! So, it is, at least, curious to deny the inclusion to other prog artists as Sorrenti and Zappa (Riccardo)!! |
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andrea ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 20 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 2078 |
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ALAN SORRENTI is not my favourite artist but I have to agree... The early works of Sorrenti were very inluential, he took part to many prog-festivals... He was part of the Italian-prog scene... Differently from Battiato the rest of his career is absolutely to forget... Fortunately he wasn't so prolific!
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andrea ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 20 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 2078 |
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Actually, I do not mind too much but... "Italian-progressive" has always been considered a sub-genre here in Italy too... "Italian-progressive" not "Italian-symphonic-progressive": for me it's difficult understand why Area and Arti & Mestieri are in another section... Well, it's difficult to define the genres, you know... |
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Andrea Cortese ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
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You have to consider that Alan Sorrenti's career is a UNICUM in the italian prog scene of the seventies! His progressive works (first three albums, 1972, 1973, 1974) are miliar stones of the genre in the development of the genre in Italy! His works are definable "RIO / Avant Prog" and are so strongly progressive as so strongly pop are the next albums he released after a two years break from 1976! Here we are not speaking about a pop artist who made also (and curiously) a progressive album, but about a PROGRESSIVE ARTIST who, surprisingly, changed his musical behaviour after he reached so high goals (I'm not speak of sellings, obviously!). For the right development of this site, I ask you and Max to re-consider this unjust choice!
P.S. and what about Riccardo Zappa? Have you heard Celestion or Chatka? Let me know about. |
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20572 |
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Regarding the additions of artistes: Unfortunately M@X has been adament to have their full discographies in the Archives You can imagine how much of a draw back it can be for artistes who have just one or two prog albums. If that was not such a problem, I would've introduced Santana a long time ago and limited it to the 70's albums So Foir Cocciante and Sorrenti..... Rather difficult
So Apparently there are three Andreas around You guys are making things simple
Anymore thoughts about why Italian groups have that unfair advantage of their own category? And why this should remain? |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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