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Dim
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Posted: August 25 2007 at 20:03 |
Whoopsies
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Tony R
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Posted: August 25 2007 at 20:06 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
Actually, because of thes debate, I have found Rush to be very hippocritical! After permanent waves and spirit of radio, Rush immediately went on to write they're most popular album ( by popular I dont mean most mainstream) moving pictures. And after that they shifted WITH radio to a more mellow synth rock sound that was popular in the mid eighties. AND in the nineties, they moved on once again to a more down to earth rock sound that was becoming popular in the nineties.
I'm sure we will agree or disagree on many topics on a more friendly note in the future, but I'm sorry you feel the way you do. I think we all need to look at Rush music wise more than song wise (yes, even me) |
You found Rush to be hippocritical? How? Did they say "we promise not to make albums that will sell very well" This is getting more and more puerile by the minute. This thread is getting boring very quickly.
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Tony19
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Posted: August 25 2007 at 20:28 |
The proper category for Rush ?
Incredible?
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jimmy_row
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Posted: August 25 2007 at 20:40 |
Tony R wrote:
schizoid_man77 wrote:
Actually, because of thes debate, I have found Rush to be very hippocritical! After permanent waves and spirit of radio, Rush immediately went on to write they're most popular album ( by popular I dont mean most mainstream) moving pictures. And after that they shifted WITH radio to a more mellow synth rock sound that was popular in the mid eighties. AND in the nineties, they moved on once again to a more down to earth rock sound that was becoming popular in the nineties.
I'm sure we will agree or disagree on many topics on a more friendly note in the future, but I'm sorry you feel the way you do. I think we all need to look at Rush music wise more than song wise (yes, even me) |
You found Rush to be hippocritical? How? Did they say "we promise not to make albums that will sell very well"
This is getting more and more puerile by the minute.
This thread is getting boring very quickly.
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duh, by accepting the oath of prog rock band Geddy, Alex, and Neil thereby swore never to be popular or have a single tune played on the radio.
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White Shadow
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Posted: August 25 2007 at 21:29 |
Where was the personal attack? I believe you've been saying stuff too, I didn't cry
Admin Note. Warning issued.
Edited by Tony R - August 26 2007 at 14:46
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Dim
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Posted: August 25 2007 at 21:42 |
I'm pretty sure I'm done with this thread, I seriously like this site, so I wont reply
Edited by schizoid_man77 - August 25 2007 at 21:43
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White Shadow
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Posted: August 25 2007 at 21:55 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
I'm pretty sure I'm done with this thread, I seriously like this site, so I wont reply |
Yeah, I know what you mean. Watch what you say, they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, ohhhh fanatical, criminal. Why don't you sign up your name, they'd like to feel you're acceptable, respectable, oh presentable, a Vegetable. Ohhhhhh take take take it yea!
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andu
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Posted: August 25 2007 at 22:23 |
Do not mess with Rush, unless you want to get tonyrminated.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 26 2007 at 11:12 |
Shakespeare wrote:
They could be Reggae, too. Spirit of the Radio? Vital Signs?
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White funk? Reggae? Wow, they should be honored. Some Prog bands can't play different styles. What a great compliment to the band.
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Zitro
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Posted: August 26 2007 at 12:10 |
just "Art Rock" ... it's artistic and it's rock ... who cares? Enjoy the music!
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Melomaniac
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Posted: August 26 2007 at 12:15 |
Shame what people can do to interesting threads...
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"One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio
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Philéas
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Posted: August 26 2007 at 12:51 |
1800iareyay wrote:
As much as they belong there, heavy prog relies on Rush because the whole point of heavy prog is it's influence on prog metal. If Rush goes, then the whole subgenre needs to go.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: August 26 2007 at 12:53 |
I think prog metal should have its own subgenre
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 26 2007 at 15:39 |
heyitsthatguy wrote:
I think prog metal should have its own subgenre
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It really could.
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Big Ears
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Posted: October 06 2007 at 05:20 |
I've never thought of Rush as progressive. They are a heavy rock band.
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Raff
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Posted: October 06 2007 at 05:43 |
I wonder what the use might be in resurrecting such threads ... Anyway, as one half of the HP thread, I can tell you one thing: Rush are in HP, and they're going to stay there. Period.
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Ricochet
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Posted: October 06 2007 at 06:11 |
I feel very disappointed that the definition of Eclectic slipx from being understood so many times. How hard is it to realize that Eclectic is a genre of pure progressive bands, that evolved differently, but still maintained a fine level of art and prog rock? Is a band that played prog rock, then moved to pop and easy/weaker stuff equal to one that played combinations of rock, folk, jazz and such, all equally desirable for Prog Rock?
Look, I'm (we're) not trying to shut doors on the Eclectic Genre as one being pretentious and artistic to the bone, but suggestions of bands that went from prog to pop (or bands that, simply, changed their style) can't be called characteristic for Eclectic.
My opinion is, of course, that Rush is entitled to Heavy Prog, based on its classic (70s) music, which was fundamentally progressive and, in a large part, is great for the Heavy issue.
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P.S.: Calling the three New Genres stupid or useless (I've seen a couple of posts here) is, just the same, of no effect. We haven't made these changes in one night, we've treated it seriously and we've given a better spotlight for any of the bands that were, previously, in the messy and over-weighted Art Rock.
Edited by Ricochet - October 06 2007 at 06:12
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 06 2007 at 06:37 |
Ricochet wrote:
Look, I'm (we're) not trying to shut doors on the Eclectic Genre as one being pretentious and artistic to the bone, but suggestions of bands that went from prog to pop (or bands that, simply, changed their style) can't be called characteristic for Eclectic.
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Well, what if the band went through different forms of prog and then "sold out" (went pop/commercial)? In that case I would say that the pop phase can simply be discarded ... or else Genesis would have to be moved to Crossover, don't you think?
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Ricochet
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Posted: October 06 2007 at 10:21 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Look, I'm (we're) not trying to shut doors on the Eclectic Genre as one being pretentious and artistic to the bone, but suggestions of bands that went from prog to pop (or bands that, simply, changed their style) can't be called characteristic for Eclectic.
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Well, what if the band went through different forms of prog and then "sold out" (went pop/commercial)? In that case I would say that the pop phase can simply be discarded ... or else Genesis would have to be moved to Crossover, don't you think?
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I can't say the pop phase needs to be discarded, in some cases it's an essential view on how a band "kept its cool" or "changed dramatically", after the classic 70s, but if that bands had such an impact and a true quality in its progressive taste, it's best to leave it in that certain genre, even considering the further changes. Regarding Genesis, it's in my opinion rather appalling to think of them so technically (prog + decay = Xover) when they indubitably WERE A PIVOTAL BAND IN SYMPHONIC PROG, the genre that now holds them. The same can be said with Rush, regarding its classic period and its heavy prog taste. What followed, even if it is a ruthless new music (and not one Rush didn't play well, till a certain point), can be considered of a secondary value.
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debrewguy
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Posted: October 06 2007 at 10:42 |
I propose a new grouping - Prog Gods. A very elite section reserved for the BIG ONES, with respect to their influence, success (within the prog scene) , in effect the toppermost of the proggermost; to badly paraphrase John Lennon. Crimson, Floyd, Yes, Genesis, Tull, Marillion, Rush, Dream Theater, and some others who have earned a place as innovators or leaders in prog over the years. You many notice I leave Gentle Giant off the list. My fave prog group, & one of my faves, period. But maybe not as obvious an influence as the others.
I'll duck now, and see if any bullets are coming my way ,,,
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