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Paradox 
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 16:28 |
My opinion of Meshuggah is that their music is awful. But i can appriciate their musicianship.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 13:35 |
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In addition to prog rock I love technical,brutal metal,and Meshuggah fits the bill.Incredible band.When I bought Nothing it literally stayed in my cd player for weeks.
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mghiotti
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 06:45 |
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Hi
I've been listening to Meshuggah for a while, and what can I say?
It's not the genre I'd recommend to easy-listening, progheaded,
puritane guys, but if you feel some day in the mood to be schizoid,
like when you're keen in having a go with KC and its 21st century, then
Meshuggah, a more extreme, heavier and cacophonic version, is
your group. Yet, I never feel that way, so I hardly put it on and
sit down to enjoy its music. Though I'm personally interested in any
sort of experimentation, this group goes a bit further, its a kind of
threshold between the music you could always listen to and that you
need to mentally prepare yourself before listening to.
A friend of mine introduced me to Meshuggah last year, and he's
really into the "scandinavian" melancholy, leading towards
"self-suicide" and antisociality. So, to cut the story short,
Meshuggah
is a great band if you tough enough to survive.
marco
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iscariot
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Posted: May 18 2005 at 19:03 |
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I is easily the best thing theyve ever made, and likely to be one of
the best metal recordings of the past few years, hands down.
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matters of taste are not open to critique
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Spanky
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Posted: May 18 2005 at 18:44 |
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I have 'I' and I'm going to get 'Catch-33' when it comes out.
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Coalinga knows how to party.
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Reverie
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 21:35 |
Meshuggah are pretty good. I have their album "Nothing" down on my list of albums to buy, but there are many other CDs i would rather get. The thing that draws me to Meshuggah is the fact that they manage to create complex rhythms while still retaining an awesome groove. The thing that slightly turns me away is the fact that a lot of it sounds too similar. They over-use the whole polymeter thing until it gets boring. It's still good stuff to listen to, but i'm not sure if i could listen to a whole album of it.
I also have the Fredrik Thordendhal's (sp?) Special Defects cd, and that has the familiar polymeter thing going on, but more frequent jazzy, holdsworth-esque leads. It is quite interesting, but still i'm not sure if i would consider it brilliant. I will say, though, that the drumming from Morgan Agren is quite astounding to say the least 
The difference between Meshuggah and death metal? For one thing, most death metal bands don't groove much at all, let alone the amount Meshuggah does. The vocals are much more shouted than growled, there's tremendous lack of double bass (drums) usage in Meshuggah. Thomas Haake tends to follow the guitar line with his feet and often snare (while there's always a cymbal - often the china - keeping the steady beat, hence the groove). Since the guitar lines are not blazing tremolo style picking, the drums don't indulge in that action either and you don't get that concrete bed of riffing style that a lot of death metal bands use. There's really huge atmospheric gap between Meshuggah and death metal. Loud and heavy does NOT equal death metal.
Having said all that, i'm not a genre nazi, and you guys can call Meshuggah what ever the hell you want as far as i'm concerned. It doesn't change how they sound, does it? 
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King of Loss
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 18:53 |
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Cannibal Corpse actually has some technical songs believe it or not, but however Meshuggah is just a ton more technical. I'm not a fan of their sound because it is way way way too un-emotional for me, I need something like Dream Theater, not as heavy and A LOT MORE EMOTIONAL.
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Dreamer
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 18:44 |
Strange, I'm trying to listen to one of the songs now. It's got all the death metal charecteristics, at least as far as i know. Fast double bass drums, fast guitar with loads of distortion, no real melody, screaming vocals. Even the song names, Sane, Future breed machine and War are extremely metal-ish.
Way too heavy to my liking.
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Manunkind
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 16:28 |
 Useful_Idiot wrote:
I guess they COULD be classified as death or thrash metal, but I haven't encountered another band in either of those genres that sounds anything like them. They have death metal's vocal style and for awhile had thrash's speed (although Nothing and Catch 33 have made it even more difficult to classify them due to the slower tempo), but they use time signatures and rhythmic techniques that you'll never hear from Cannibal Corpse or Iced Earth. They're not really prog metal either, although they do have elements of it. I've heard some use the term "math-metal" to describe them, but I really find it impossible to pinpoint exactly what style they're playing. And really, who cares?
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Err, hardly, I assure you (don't want to go into technicalites here). If you said that to a death metal fanatic he would make a Cannibal Corpse song out of you .
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Bryan
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 16:22 |
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I guess they COULD be classified as death or thrash metal, but I
haven't encountered another band in either of those genres that sounds
anything like them. They have death metal's vocal style and for
awhile had thrash's speed (although Nothing and Catch 33 have made it
even more difficult to classify them due to the slower tempo), but they
use time signatures and rhythmic techniques that you'll never hear from
Cannibal Corpse or Iced Earth. They're not really prog metal
either, although they do have elements of it. I've heard some use
the term "math-metal" to describe them, but I really find it impossible
to pinpoint exactly what style they're playing. And really, who
cares?
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Manunkind
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 16:15 |
goose wrote:
It is death metal, though, isn't it? Or at the least very brutal thrash. |
More like the latter. Death metal has blast beats (or hyperblasts, or whatever they're called - bascially ultrafast drumming), growling vocals, lots of tempo changes (although death metal totally relentless in its high speed is anything but uncommon), and there is a very different feel to it. There is of course, the slightly more melodic Swedish 'school' of death metal, something Opeth still belongs to, to a certain extent, but it's still very different from Meshuggah. Many death metal heads find Meshuggah boring and object to labelling them death metal.
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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goose
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 16:08 |
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It is death metal, though, isn't it? Or at the least very brutal thrash.
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Manunkind
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 15:54 |
Dreamer wrote:
wait, are you talking about the band called meshuggah? Isnt it a death metal band? Thats what it sounds like to me... |
No, it's not a detah metal band, the fact that it's more brutal than, say, Pantera, doesn't make it a death metal band yet... it's one of those bands that are really hard to stick a label on (no, it's not prog IMO, although there is some 90s and 2Ks King Crimson to it) and really hard to compare to anyone else without missing the point... an acquired taste, but well worth the acquiring. My fav is "Chaossphere".
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Dreamer
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 15:42 |
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wait, are you talking about the band called meshuggah? Isnt it a death metal band? Thats what it sounds like to me...
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Valarius
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 14:52 |
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I've heard a few of their songs and don't think too much of them. I'll have to check out this "I".
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coffeeintheface
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 02:18 |
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"I" is outstanding, the feedback outro sounds like
Gyorgi Ligeti's music at the very end of the "stargate" sequence in
"2001: A Space Odyssey," then it goes silent, also like "2001";
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frenchie
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Posted: April 19 2005 at 14:57 |
i have only heard one 21 minute song called "I" that useful idiot sent me and it is pure brutality! that first explosion around a minute and a half is insane! I shall definetly check them out at download too! See you in the pit Unifaun!
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Unifaun
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Posted: April 19 2005 at 14:39 |
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maybe i should see them when i go to download fesitval. They are on the snickers stage on saturday!
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46and2
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Posted: April 19 2005 at 14:05 |
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Yeah, ive heard some songs off of chaosphere and destroy,erase,improve. its really amazing.
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Posted: April 19 2005 at 08:56 |
"I" is pretty cool!
thanks, Bryan
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