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Prog-Brazil 
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Joined: January 07 2005 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 596 |
 Topic: Top 10 Retro-Prog AlbumsPosted: June 23 2009 at 08:31 |
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Oopps.. I almost forget the best retro-prog all the times: 5bridges: The Thomas Tracks
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Let the sunshine in
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20585 |
Posted: June 23 2009 at 07:23 |
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Unlike Ivŕn, I don't find offensive the use of retro prog, because it's clear that groups concerned are doing everything to sound retro..... The first real retro artiste about the 70's was Lenny Kravitz's superb Let Love Rule >>> I think this is the album that let everyone remember about how good the 70's sounded before the ugly 80's reared its head.
About retro-prog: It's a genre pioneered by the Swedes that I found initially enthralling and I forget to count the nights spend with these early discs on heavy rotation.
But that was about 15 years ago.
If I had some room for Discipline and Sinkadus (late 90's), I find myself uninterested in Wobbler, Gargamel (I'll still listen to that secoind album, though) and Beardfish
However:
If I don't have a prblem with Angla, anekdoten, Landberk, Sinkadus, Wobbler, Gargamel, Discipline being called that.......
BUT I do hesitate calling Spock's beard, Magenta, Tangent, Transatlantic, , & TFK as pure retro prog as for me, these groups also have a neo-prog slant as well. Ditto for Maschera Di Cera or Hotsonaten.
Newer groups like Black Bonzo, Areknames, Wicked Witches are all doing retro rock or retro prog, but I simply have no time for them.
So I simply don't consider this list as a retro prog list at all.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 23 2009 at 07:08 |
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Just been listening to some of your samples. Sounds like I might like it.
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Prog-Brazil
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Joined: January 07 2005 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 596 |
Posted: June 23 2009 at 06:53 |
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1. Moon Safari - [Blomljud]
2. Glass Hammer - SHADOWLANDS
3. Anglagard - Hybris
4. Karmakanic - Who's The Boss In The Factory?
5. Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon
6. Tempus Fugit - Tales From a Forgotten World
7. Black Bonzo - Sound of the Apocalypse
8. Anglagard - Epilog
9. Nosound - Lightdark (is it retro prog?)
10. Il Castello di Atlante - Come Il Seguitare Delle Stagioni 2000 (and is it?) Edited by Prog-Brazil - June 23 2009 at 06:54 |
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Let the sunshine in
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jplanet
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VIP Member Joined: August 30 2006 Location: NJ Status: Offline Points: 799 |
Posted: May 05 2009 at 21:38 |
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 Don't worry, we'll have plenty for both the "oh" and the "no" reaction to that! We very deliberately paying homage to prog's founders on the first one in some respects - where we could have chosen any string sound, we went for the Mellotron and made the 70's style production a theme...I think of that first album as a "statement of purpose" in that sense...now we're taking some chances and stretching out... Edited by jplanet - May 05 2009 at 21:39 |
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King Crimson776
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Joined: October 12 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2779 |
Posted: May 04 2009 at 18:02 |
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I think the term retro prog is stupid, but as for modern symphonic (or eclectic KC influenced bands and whatnot):
1. SMPTe - Transatlantic 2. Bridge Across Forever - Transatlantic 3. V - Spock's Beard 4. Unfold the Future - The Flower Kings 5. Snow - Spock's Beard 6. The Light - Spock's Beard 7. One - Neal Morse 8. Back in the World of Adventures - The Flower Kings 9. The Kindness of Strangers - Spock's Beard 10. Sola Scriptura - Neal Morse
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The Quiet One
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Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
Posted: May 04 2009 at 17:17 |
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crimson87
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Joined: January 03 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 1818 |
Posted: May 03 2009 at 22:06 |
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C'mon Retro Prog ain't offensive. It's not that we are calling the genre " Copycat prog" or " Prog by numbers"
But in the end I guess we don't need any more labels , symphonic is more than OK. Because Neo Prog is not "new" now.
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: April 30 2009 at 00:09 |
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 23:03 |
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The Only One that springs to mind is The Flower Kings 'Retropolis' - great album in every respect.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 17:21 |
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Ah, I really wasn't reffering to you, if not to Ivan and Diaby. Though still thanks, glad we agree. |
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Mr ProgFreak
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Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: April 29 2009 at 17:17 |
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I read your post but honestly I don't know what to say. I fully support the label "Retro" ... and even if it can be interpreted differently by people and some even think that it has a negative connotation ... so what? Still nothing wrong about making a top 10 list of such albums. And to those who use this thread to rant about tagging: Sorry folks, but this is clearly not the place.  |
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jplanet
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 17:09 |
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How many PA members does it take to make a top ten list?
17. 2 to actually begin to make a list, and 15 to say that no such list should exist at all! It's like the "Philosopher Soccer" sketch on Monty Python where Descartes argues with the referee that the ball didn't exist! Now, I'll weigh in, as a guy who is in a retro prog band, that even I take no offense to the term (although I don't know how many people will still think we're retro after the next album)... Edited by jplanet - April 29 2009 at 17:14 |
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The Quiet One
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 15:30 |
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Is it me, or my post about this, which is really my thread, has been completely been ignored, which is supposed to be the most relevant one in this case, saying that my labelling or tagging is offensive...
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 11:49 |
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I think that what you're wrong in is that you think that I want to create "endless tags". It's entirely up to each user how many tags they assign, or how many assigned tags they consider. I've tried a few variations ... if you currently take a look at the PF start page you'll see that for each album the system creates a label that uses at most 2 tags (+ prog status and genre) ... all the other tags are listed separately, and I'm working on a customization option that will allow each visitor to decide whether they want to see them. But enough hijacking for today! |
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 10:26 |
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Oh yes, actually I find this topic rather interesting - I just rarely get to see a Top 10 thread derailed to be honest
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 10:16 |
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Honestly Mike, i don't understand your intentions and obsession with tagging, maybe i'm wrong and creating endless tags is the best soluttion, but I doubt it.
At least Retro is offensive, is like living in the past, depending of another entity that no longer exists, a retro fashion is the revival of the fashion that existed one , two or three decades before and no longer exist.
Symphonic never died, so no need for Retro
Iván
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 10:07 |
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^ your logic escapes me ... and I still don't think that you understand my intentions with tagging. Regardless, I think you'll agree that we don't have to continue this discussion in this thread ... so, let's agree to disagree!
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 09:31 |
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That's the fate of threads my friend, as children we briong them to the world and once they are born, they start moving in ways and parths we never suspected.
But in this case, both issues are related, beig that Daby for example, mentioned this issue before me, and honestly never read it until now.
You said i Mike, Neo Prog is a different entity, independant from Symphonic, with some similarities but a lot of differences.
And honestly, I believe the name is one of the most inadequate, being that Neo Prog is related mostly to Symphonic than to Prog which is much bigger, but still the name would be a mess, because there's much newer Symphonic than than the bands that mostly appeared in the 80's.
But this can be explained people in the 80's thought Prog was dead so surprised for the stubborness of surviving they called this bands Neo Prog. It also implies a lack of knowledge, because if something, NNeo Prog is Neo Symphonic because it's related almost exclusively to Symphonic, not to all Prog.
That's easy from your perspective, Metal fans are experts creating tags, if a person growls in Fa they call iot Death Metal and if growls in Re calls it Black Metal (Just a Hyperbole to make my point), so there will never be a need for retro metal, if something new appears, you just add a name and a tag, so no nee4d to call a band retro Prog Metal, because you keep adding tags
We believe Symphonic is the older of the genres, but more alive than ever, the Symphonic of the 70's is different to the Symphonic of the 2000's, as Yes was different from ELP, Renaissance and Genesis, but all are part of a same universe called SYMPHONIC PROG.
When we took the team, we could had split Symphonic in two, three or five sub-genres like:
And go on, but that's absurd, Symphonic is one and only one sub-genre, for special reasons Italian bands are in RPI, and I find some logic. So I insist, Retro Prog is out of oplace, inaccurate and inadequate, there's not a retro an advanced or whatever Symphonic, there'sd just one big healthy sub-genre called Symphonic..
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 29 2009 at 10:13 |
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 03:04 |
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Whoo! Thread spinning wildly off topic!
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