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joelossia 
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 Topic: Best Prog BreakdownPosted: July 16 2009 at 12:32 |
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Well i aint no scene kid but i does like a wee dance in 5/4 or a jive in 13/8.
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topofsm
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 11:33 |
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No, certainly not. In breakdowns typically the drums are very prominent and the dynamic level is still loud, even though the band is at a slower tempo. And again, they usually only occur in hardcore and metalcore music, which Tool is thankfully not.
However, I might consider the chugging part in Vicarious at around 3:30 a breakdown, albeit in 5/4 and not suitable for scene kids to dance to.
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Captain Capricorn
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 11:13 |
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Would you call the syncopated excursion taken by Tool at 4:47 on the track Lateralus a breakdown?
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daslaf
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 11:01 |
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I think Pain of Salvation's Fandango has a breakdown in the middle of it, oh and Cheyenne Anthem kick major asses
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topofsm
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Posted: July 15 2009 at 23:38 |
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Yeah, Tool isn't really keen on breakdowns, they're not a hardcore band. I didn't know Genesis did those either, I know their pop stuff may be pretty horrible, but not as bad as scene kid music.
The only prog band that I know that uses breakdowns is Between the Buried and Me, and I agree with Moatillia has to be one of the greatest breakdowns ever.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 15 2009 at 14:09 |
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Cheese that is. Do you want some Texas Tea with that?  |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: July 15 2009 at 14:06 |
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OK, so Bluegrass is music of Appalacia, so is Bleugrass music of the Pyrenees?
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 15 2009 at 14:01 |
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Is a breakdown anything like throwing up on Bobby Flay? (Oops, thats a throwndown with
 )Well, there's the Gina Lola Breakdown by the Dixie Dregs, and in line with Epignosis pointed out, that is one of their bluegrass flavored (bleugrass???  ) pieces. Yeah, Cheyenne Anthem, that does have that little incongruous breakdown part in the middle. Then of course we have Alan Parsons Project Breakdown, Gentle Giant did Sweet Georgia Brown (Breakdown in Brussels), Jerry Harrison had a Breakdown In The Passing Lane, Led Zeppelin had a Communication Breakdown, Synergy had a Relay Breakdown, and Tears For Fears had a Start of the Breakdown. Edited by Slartibartfast - July 15 2009 at 14:08 |
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: July 15 2009 at 12:35 |
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^I know the term breakdown from metal and hardcore when it goes into half-time or they slow down to another tempo and it's basically a brutal, largely rhythmic section when hardcore fans go crazy in the pits and such. Of course, in hardcore music these days it's basically expected that the band goes through at least one perfunctory breakdown per song and that's a big reason I don't get into it. It's just boring. However I do love a good, well executed breakdown.
Here are a couple I like a lot:
Between the Buried and Me - The Decade of Statues (this one has great breakdowns throughout, culminating in one that features a goofy and totally awesome chromatic riff)
Isis - 20 Minutes / 40 Years
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Epignosis
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Posted: July 15 2009 at 09:25 |
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I believe when you say "breakdown," you are using the definition associated with bluegrass music.
Anyway, I'll pick two great examples from Kansas: "Apercu" and "Cheyenne Anthem." |
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The Runaway
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Posted: July 15 2009 at 07:35 |
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Never Let Go has that outro. When they go back to the acoustic bit then it just stops, then BAM! But I see that this breakdown thing is mostly for metal.
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joelossia
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Posted: July 15 2009 at 07:16 |
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Well, i'm just used to that term when i'm writing. Although i've never heard it being used as the outro, that just seems a bit weird to me.
Why has no one suggested their favourites? Mais, i do like a good discussion.
Being honest, i have no idea about what that song is cause ive never heard it, but im gessing it has a really fast intense bit? G2G. Edited by joelossia - July 15 2009 at 07:24 |
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: July 15 2009 at 07:14 |
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Quoting myself here... An opposite of what you are saying happens in the middle part of Dream Theater's "Sacrificed Sons" unless I am mistaken.
Edited by StyLaZyn - July 15 2009 at 07:22 |
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: July 15 2009 at 07:11 |
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That's a new term to me. I've never heard breakdown applied to music except in the sense to take a song apart, breaking it down to it layers. I think cut-time or half-time is a better fit.
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joelossia
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Posted: July 15 2009 at 07:07 |
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Nah, i'm pretty sure it means the brutal bit in the middle in half-time. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Breakdown
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The Runaway
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Posted: July 15 2009 at 06:54 |
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Breakdown means outro, like the one in Never Let Go, or the Bridge, not half-time. Half-time means half-time.
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joelossia
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Posted: July 15 2009 at 06:44 |
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Sorry bout the double post here but ill be back in a minute- just gone to get a shower
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joelossia
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Posted: July 15 2009 at 06:43 |
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Thanks for the welcome. I mean the bit where the song goes in half time- where the backbeat is slown down.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: July 15 2009 at 06:40 |
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Breakdown?
What do you mean? Welcome to PA btw.
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joelossia
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Posted: July 15 2009 at 06:23 |
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My favourites are probably:
Jambi by Tool
In that quiet earth by Genesis
Even less by PT
Blackest Eyes by PT
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