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    Posted: April 03 2010 at 06:54
Hi M@X,
 
congrats on you MMAClap, which I visited Thumbs Upand even joined and contributed one reviewEmbarrassed
 
 
Since the halfstars are of application in MMA.....................
 
Do you think it's possible now to adapt the system to PA????EmbarrassedWink
 
 
.... I'd love to get rid of my "3.5 stars really" in front of my reviews....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 07:17
^I would have liked it too but I just can't see how to implement it into the current interface since the grading system for the first six years has generated more than 230,500 ratings where many of those have been done by users that aren't even active on  the site anymore. So it will just confuse the statistics. Unhappy

It would be easier to keep the system going as it is, although I would like the flashy-rating bar from MMA to be added to PA. I really like it. Thumbs Up


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 07:52
Can we keep it as it is?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 07:54
Originally posted by Rune2000 Rune2000 wrote:

^I would have liked it too but I just can't see how to implement it into the current interface since the grading system for the first six years has generated more than 230,500 ratings where many of those have been done by users that aren't even active on  the site anymore. So it will just confuse the statistics. Unhappy

It would be easier to keep the system going as it is, although I would like the flashy-rating bar from MMA to be added to PA. I really like it. Thumbs Up
I don't see this as a problem.... those not interested in changing don't have to.... only the people that stated in their reviews that they were giving halfstars are really concerned.
 
I've got over 2800 reviews that I'd have to check over, so this would take me a few weeks to achieve it.....
 
and at the same time, it would give me a chance to set up a list of reviews that still need to touch up....
 
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As for the rating graph bar.... it's true it would bfit there fine too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 08:35
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Rune2000 Rune2000 wrote:

^I would have liked it too but I just can't see how to implement it into the current interface since the grading system for the first six years has generated more than 230,500 ratings where many of those have been done by users that aren't even active on  the site anymore. So it will just confuse the statistics. Unhappy

It would be easier to keep the system going as it is, although I would like the flashy-rating bar from MMA to be added to PA. I really like it. Thumbs Up
.... those not interested in changing don't have to.... only the people that stated in their reviews that they were giving halfstars are really concerned.
 
....at the same time, it would give me a chance to set up a list of reviews that still need to touch up....
 

I disagree because I rarely state in my reviews the halfstar ratings although I would probably have given them regularly if I had the opportunity. I assume that this applies to many people.
I just don't see how we could keep the current 230,500+ ratings and combine them with a new system. Even if we assume that all the active users would update their ratings I don't believe that they constitute for even 30% of all the ratings that have been given out over the years. It would create a flawed system where we would never really be able to trust the album ratings.
Example: Take Close To The Edge that has already over 1000+ ratings. If the system would change then it would spark the debate regarding the album's actual rating. Would it have been higher or lower if all of the passive 700 ratings/reviews would have adjusted their votes (assuming the 30% active user rate)?
That is what I mean by confusing statistics. Unhappy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 09:53
Originally posted by Rune2000 Rune2000 wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Rune2000 Rune2000 wrote:

^I would have liked it too but I just can't see how to implement it into the current interface since the grading system for the first six years has generated more than 230,500 ratings where many of those have been done by users that aren't even active on  the site anymore. So it will just confuse the statistics. Unhappy

It would be easier to keep the system going as it is, although I would like the flashy-rating bar from MMA to be added to PA. I really like it. Thumbs Up
.... those not interested in changing don't have to.... only the people that stated in their reviews that they were giving halfstars are really concerned.
 
....at the same time, it would give me a chance to set up a list of reviews that still need to touch up....
 

I disagree because I rarely state in my reviews the halfstar ratings although I would probably have given them regularly if I had the opportunity. I assume that this applies to many people.
I just don't see how we could keep the current 230,500+ ratings and combine them with a new system. Even if we assume that all the active users would update their ratings I don't believe that they constitute for even 30% of all the ratings that have been given out over the years. It would create a flawed system where we would never really be able to trust the album ratings.
Example: Take Close To The Edge that has already over 1000+ ratings. If the system would change then it would spark the debate regarding the album's actual rating. Would it have been higher or lower if all of the passive 700 ratings/reviews would have adjusted their votes (assuming the 30% active user rate)?
That is what I mean by confusing statistics. Unhappy
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 12:14
I would like to see that happen too.
It's always controversial when it comes to this subject.
I'm of those who think it would be more precise, and useful too.
I also think that those who are not interested in this system should just not use it and continue to give one to five stars ratings without half stars.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 12:28
We should make this a poll.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 12:44
I don't know. We already have too many trolls roaming the site giving 1 star ratings to random artists they don't like. I think the half star thing would only make things worse for many genres.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 15:15
On that point, you are right.
But before rejecting the idea, I think we should evaluate EVERY points, positive and negative.
But there will always be trolls anyway. They're stupid, but they exist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 15:48
Originally posted by Tsevir Leirbag Tsevir Leirbag wrote:

On that point, you are right.
But before rejecting the idea, I think we should evaluate EVERY points, positive and negative.
But there will always be trolls anyway. They're stupid, but they exist.
I know that, but even ! guy can make much more trouble than all the admins and the monitors can fix it.
 
Let me give you an example:
 
There is a guy who loves PF and hates practically everything else. It isn't hard fiding him: just keep clicking in 1 star ratings randomly and eventually you will see that more than one user have only 5 stars rating to PF and 1 stars to everything else. That is the guy. He keeps creating new accounts almost dayly and keep doing that for as long as the site is up, as far as I know, and he is not alone you know.
 
Those guys are tireless and they are worse than trolls because: 1 - they are not trolls, they are just doing what they believe is right: a band that means more than life and everything else sucks; 2 - unlike trolls, they don't eventually give up; 3 - they exist here in considerable numbers.
 
You can also come with the point that "Yeah, but retards exist everywhere" and I agree completelly, but usually there are ways to deal with that people on the internet and that is the IP or motherboard/HD ban. PA doesn't even have the IP ban, so if this is really implemented without the ban, things may get out of hand. IMO what must be done first is create a way to ban people and then implement the half star thing.
 
Then I will agree with it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 18:30
I'd love to see people obey the rules of mathematical rounding.  Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 18:32
No way ti implement this option here. 

But if you like metal, MMA has .5 stars! Big smile

If you don't, learn to give proper ratings with just 5 rounded stars.....



(I haven't yet...LOL)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 18:40
I'm a firm believer that the failure to obey the laws of mathematical rounding has made it physically impossible to convert to a .5 star system.  Of course I am and always have been out of my mind so it's best not to listen to what I have to say.  LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 19:17
Originally posted by Rune2000 Rune2000 wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Rune2000 Rune2000 wrote:

^I would have liked it too but I just can't see how to implement it into the current interface since the grading system for the first six years has generated more than 230,500 ratings where many of those have been done by users that aren't even active on  the site anymore. So it will just confuse the statistics. Unhappy

It would be easier to keep the system going as it is, although I would like the flashy-rating bar from MMA to be added to PA. I really like it. Thumbs Up
.... those not interested in changing don't have to.... only the people that stated in their reviews that they were giving halfstars are really concerned.
 
....at the same time, it would give me a chance to set up a list of reviews that still need to touch up....
 

I disagree because I rarely state in my reviews the halfstar ratings although I would probably have given them regularly if I had the opportunity. I assume that this applies to many people.
I just don't see how we could keep the current 230,500+ ratings and combine them with a new system. Even if we assume that all the active users would update their ratings I don't believe that they constitute for even 30% of all the ratings that have been given out over the years. It would create a flawed system where we would never really be able to trust the album ratings.
Example: Take Close To The Edge that has already over 1000+ ratings. If the system would change then it would spark the debate regarding the album's actual rating. Would it have been higher or lower if all of the passive 700 ratings/reviews would have adjusted their votes (assuming the 30% active user rate)?
That is what I mean by confusing statistics. Unhappy
I couldn't care less for these top list, which were skewed by fanboys abusing the system in norder to favour theit champions. despite having collabs hunting down the abuse, I still wouldn't trust these lists too much), even if with time, they're starting to reflect a bit more reality....
 
updating the ratings is not like it's mandatory, it should remain optional and the halfstar ratings would not change a thing in that regard.... It would probably keep a few trolls busy, too.
 
You're allowed to change your rating and your review at will, so why not give the opportunity to choose from a scale of 10 possibilities instead of 5..... the rest will follow quite easily
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2010 at 10:37
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Rune2000 Rune2000 wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Rune2000 Rune2000 wrote:

^I would have liked it too but I just can't see how to implement it into the current interface since the grading system for the first six years has generated more than 230,500 ratings where many of those have been done by users that aren't even active on  the site anymore. So it will just confuse the statistics. Unhappy

It would be easier to keep the system going as it is, although I would like the flashy-rating bar from MMA to be added to PA. I really like it. Thumbs Up
.... those not interested in changing don't have to.... only the people that stated in their reviews that they were giving halfstars are really concerned.
 
....at the same time, it would give me a chance to set up a list of reviews that still need to touch up....
 

I disagree because I rarely state in my reviews the halfstar ratings although I would probably have given them regularly if I had the opportunity. I assume that this applies to many people.
I just don't see how we could keep the current 230,500+ ratings and combine them with a new system. Even if we assume that all the active users would update their ratings I don't believe that they constitute for even 30% of all the ratings that have been given out over the years. It would create a flawed system where we would never really be able to trust the album ratings.
Example: Take Close To The Edge that has already over 1000+ ratings. If the system would change then it would spark the debate regarding the album's actual rating. Would it have been higher or lower if all of the passive 700 ratings/reviews would have adjusted their votes (assuming the 30% active user rate)?
That is what I mean by confusing statistics. Unhappy
I couldn't care less for these top list, which were skewed by fanboys abusing the system in norder to favour theit champions. despite having collabs hunting down the abuse, I still wouldn't trust these lists too much), even if with time, they're starting to reflect a bit more reality....
 
updating the ratings is not like it's mandatory, it should remain optional and the halfstar ratings would not change a thing in that regard.... It would probably keep a few trolls busy, too.
 
You're allowed to change your rating and your review at will, so why not give the opportunity to choose from a scale of 10 possibilities instead of 5..... the rest will follow quite easily


I I may meddle a bit here.
I don't think we should discard the idea because of what the consequences might be on the statistical popularity of given albums. I don't care much for what's "most popular" really Smile

An extra half star, certainly the 3.5 and 4.5 would be very helpful to express my thoughts on an album with a corresponding rating. There are cases where it feels incorrect to round an album down to 3 or 4.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2010 at 10:47
I rate this thread at 3.19786 stars.  Although I'd really like to rate it 3.197865 stars.  Rawks
Actually, sometimes I do add a .5 star to my reviews (all 2 of them), and it is difficult to decide whether to round up or round down.  Mathematical rules aside. 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2010 at 09:09
3,5-4,5 options would be nice.
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