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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18457 |
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You are accusing many bands of not having the talent or ability to do music ... so, if I may ask, why are you buying it?
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Blaqua ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2016 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 242 |
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Double albums are like +600-page novels, they are hard to please.
I prefer novellas and short story collections since if the story is painful,
ordeal will be short. "But Yes, double albums can be a chore at times!....." Such as Tales of Topographic Boredom |
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noni ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 03 2008 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1092 |
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Certain bands like TFK are quite an extreme band and bash their music out every year. But seem now to have got quiet. Flower Kings were too much to handle for me, good music much of the same. IQ's Subterranea's album is pure brilliance. Every track quite unique and different, but keeping that Subterranean feel to that album..
But Yes, double albums can be a chore at times!..... |
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 18020 |
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Double albums are fine, in the traditional sense like Tommy, Quad, The Wall, Out Of the Blue, Physical Graffiti.......I can easily sit and listen to 4 sides of vinyl.
But if they are double just because an artist had filler or did not know when to stop, nahh. And a Dbl CD makes no sense at all......
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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In olden days, double albums made record companies and artists more money. That's all.
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20570 |
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Outside your first comment on the rarity of vinyl releases ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() While there are a few real classic 60/70's double vinyl (Electric Ladyland, Quadrophenia and a few others) that I can still listen to in their entirety in one shot, I've always had a difficult time sitting through the whole of The Lamb and The Wall (and even one side of TFTO). Other classic like Yellow Brick Road, Phys Graf, White Album, Wheels Of Fire, Tommy, I've played the sides a totally uneven amount of time (for ex, GYBR, I've played to death side 1, but very few times side3 or 4) As for your final comment; I think pre-recorded CD can only publish 80 mins of music (not 90, those were cassettes
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thwok ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 15 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 160 |
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I thought we were talking about progressive rock, not classical?
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thwok ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 15 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 160 |
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These days new vinyl releases are relatively rare, so I'll comment on CD releases. Although I love progressive music, I usually don't have the patience for more than 40 minutes of music by ANY band. But I'm offended that record companies put out double CD sets totaling less than 90 minutes, and expect consumers to pay extra. Am I the only one?
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Chozal ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 01 2011 Location: Melun, France Status: Offline Points: 187 |
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I think going "Right, I need a double album ! Let's write 1h and a half of music !" is doing it a bit wrong (*cough*Ayreon*cough*cough*) except when you're Yes and you can write TfTO. But it is sometimes welcome (Happiness is the Road) and even needed (Grace for Drowning, The Wall ...)
Overall I'm more inclined to give them a negative review - it's a risk to be taken, but I don't dislike double albums as a sub-category. |
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el böthy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 27 2005 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6336 |
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Far too few good ones
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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mtdar ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: June 27 2012 Location: NY, USA Status: Offline Points: 10 |
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I'm going to have to agree with Meta on this one. I like the idea of a double album, but I think most bands just don't have that much good material for a double. The only double albums I can think of that I like are:
Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
IQ - Subterranea
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Meta ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2012 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 69 |
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In my opinion, most double albums would be better off as singles. Too often bands resort to filler to extend the length.
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Codera the Great ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: June 29 2012 Location: Irvine, CA Status: Offline Points: 91 |
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For me it all depends on the music. If it was Metallica and Lou Reed's laughable and heinous attempt at avant-garde rock with their little crapsterpiece, Lulu, then no
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MattGuitat ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2011 Status: Offline Points: 339 |
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Both excellent movies by the way.
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18457 |
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Hi,
Just had to add this ... I guess that we're going to take all the symphonies, operas and such and we're going to condense and compress them, so they will all last 5 minutes. They can never again be over the equivalent of 20 minutes per side, or 40 minutes long anymore. So Wagner ... you stink! ... and need to unload more than half that crud! Verdi ... your stories are pathetic. And Puccini .... your arias are too long, and that over singing is not necessary! I am not sure I like the fact that we're limiting things ... th elimits started because of the LP had severe limits ... but today, none of that is an issue anymore! It's just bizarre seeing this even discussed ... why can't someone write something that is longer, than many things you have heard, unless you have never heard anything other than ... "songs" ... which to you do not add up to anything at all! It's a bizarre concept born out of the relative lack of knowledge of music out there ... TFTO is not a double disk ... it's just like a Symphony in 4 movements ... but since most have never heard a Symphony, they have no idea what that statement means ... you might as well call it trash because it is 4 sides (originally) ... instead of an hour and a half long ... gosh ... I don't see anyone complaining about X-Men or Avengers being too long!
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T.Rox ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 06 2004 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 9455 |
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Double or triple album in any format is fine by me! ...the biggest issue I find is people interrupting me when I'm in the 'listening zone' ...and that goes for a single album, too!
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ProgEpics ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: September 05 2010 Location: Georgia Status: Offline Points: 92 |
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And they were kickass albums as well
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The Dude ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: June 07 2012 Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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I love doubles! They were always amongst my favorites when I was buying vinyl way back when ... Uncle Meat being a prime example. Of course it was rare for me to listen all in one go. In CD format I'm more likely to listen to the whole thing through. So it has to be really good! Recently I've been getting into Toyah's Warrior Rock live album. I have no trouble listening all the way through that.
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infandous ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 23 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2447 |
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Generally, I don't have a problem with double album, full length CD album, or even double full length CD albums. If a bands style does not appeal to me, then I'm not going to want to listen to ANY length album they care to release. Sure, on long albums I often find a song or two that I find "weaker" than the rest, but that is just my opinion and doesn't reflect on the quality of it for anyone else.
Since the Flower Kings get mentioned here a good bit, I should probably point out that according to their main composer, Roine Stolt, he usually has another CD worth of material that didn't make the cut for the album.......even the double albums this was true, apparently. Some might not believe such prolificness is possibly, but there it is (he plans to possibly add some of this material as bonus tracks when the whole catalog is re-released in the near future). I often find that I love stuff that many people refer to as "filler". My opinion is, if the artist put it there, then it's there for a reason, even if I don't understand what that could be. I don't, after all have to listen to it if it doesn't appeal to me (which, of course, applies to any and all music). I do sympathize with people who find it a struggle to get through a double FK's album.....it can be difficult to focus on the music of one band for 2 hours (or more). I don't always want to hear the entire Unfold the Future album, for instance, but will play selected tracks or one of the two disks instead. I don't see this as any sort of problem or drawback of the album and am glad to have all those songs to choose from and listen to as I see fit. The most interesting "filler" is Lucky Man, which was added to the first ELP album because they didn't have enough material to fill up side 2, so Lake broke out a song he wrote at age 12. Emerson didn't like it, so didn't participate in the recording of it (his moog solo was "noodling" according to him, and he hadn't intended to have it on the album). It went on to be their most famous song and biggest hit. Go figure. So a song that was truly "filler" (according to the band members, anyway) went on to be their most iconic song.......not to proggers, of course, but that's beside the point. Edited by infandous - June 15 2012 at 12:50 |
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Morsenator ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 13 2009 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 397 |
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I think the only big problem with doubles is getting your ears tired while you listen them in one session. Otherwise, the format can be even better than single, especially for telling a story, as mentioned before. I think if a musician wants to make an album over 2 hours long, go ahead. It's his decision to choose which songs he cuts out from the album, if any, and not the listener's.
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