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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 30252 |
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Greg is undoubtedly an excellent musician although I'm not sure what else he should have achieved?
Played in the seminal progressive rock band
Played in the most successful rock supergroup
Played live with an orchestra
Has one of the most enduring and best Christmas records
Recorded two solo albums with the then best guitarist on the planet
Did that massive world televised concert with Asia
Also his best songs have been recorded and released either with ELP or as a soloist.
He's has a good career I feel.
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JeanFrame ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 01 2010 Location: London, England Status: Offline Points: 195 |
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Greg Lake achieved a lot, but somehow feel not as much as he should have.
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Gerinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5160 |
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Indeed, what do we have then to think about their debut's cover
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 30252 |
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and did you read the last line of that article? Hilarious
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DiamondDog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 15 2011 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 320 |
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Strangely enough, that's part of the problem; for me, there is no best song; all we get are glimpses of possibilities, but I feel there is/was always something in there struggling to get out. I always regarded the ELP exercise as a wasted opportunity in that way, even though I'm a fan of the band's best work.
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Gerinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5160 |
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I think they themselves realised it and at some point they got an improved version, with more menacing eyes, ears etc and it looked better. The thing actually released smoke and fired a charge of polystyrene snow, here a couple more pics, the creature smoking, being repaired and an article about it. ![]() ![]() ![]() Edited by Gerinski - January 09 2013 at 16:08 |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 30252 |
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Great pics and info Gerinski. I'de never seen a picture of the Tarkus they used on stage before. It looks ridiculously amateurish like some school project gone wrong
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 30252 |
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Just out of interest what do you regard as Lake's best song?
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Gerinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5160 |
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For the record this is Keith's version in PlanetMellotron. The dubious point is that "Greg could play the Tron with pedals", this seems not to have been the case.
At any rate it clarifies that what broke down was the Revox playing the backing tape, not the Tron itself. "After we recorded Trilogy (1972), we wanted to perform
the album on stage, but Abaddon's Bolero was a hugely complex track with loads
of Moog synthesizer overdubs and it was quite impossible to play it live. So we
sampled complete phrases off the 16-track onto a Mellotron, which Greg could
play using bass pedals. This still wasn't enough, so we also hooked up a Revox
tape recorder and arranged the track around that. Unfortunately, the second
time we tried it in front of an audience, the Revox ground to a halt and so did
Carl, Greg and myself. We ended up having a huge argument backstage, the result
of which was that we never attempted the Bolero again. I would have trashed the
Mellotron, but I gave it to Greg instead. I've no idea where it is now." |
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Gerinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5160 |
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I'm not sure if what we see in this one is also the edge of the Tron but we see the funny Tarkus creature which head looked more like a sweet kangaroo than a warrior armadillo
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Gerinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5160 |
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Indeed (1973 according to Keith below), here a couple of pics showing the white M400, and Keith's recollection of the story (PlanetMellotron has a slightly different one which sounds less reliable). "Carl wore an earphone, and played the drum in synch
with a click on the backing tape. Greg played the prerecorded chords on the
Mellotron. The trouble arose after playing "Abaddon's Bolero" about 4
times live - the tape went bad and the sound stopped going to Carl's earphone.
Carl continued to play without his earphone, but at the climax, the sound from
the backing tape was lost, and then it was only the three of us playing. We
decided to stop using it after that. It was too risky and also Carl did not
like playing to a backing tape. This happened in Germany in 1973." ![]() ![]() Edited by Gerinski - January 09 2013 at 06:51 |
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DiamondDog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 15 2011 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 320 |
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Interesting. Perhaps too much freedom and power was a negative influence rather than a positive.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 30252 |
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he did co write Epitaph but then its a matter of taste whether you prefer that over say Trilogy which he co wrote with Keith Emerson. I like both and both are different. Whats a simple fact is that he would have had less freedom in Crimson compared to ELP so I don't really understand how that could possibly have been of benefit in developing his song writing. Edited by richardh - January 09 2013 at 02:05 |
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DiamondDog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 15 2011 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 320 |
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Where I'm "coming from" is the quality of the songwriting, the potential he had that was never fulfilled. I never set out any reasons why he never got there, perhaps inadvertently (and ironically) some of the situations you cite may have contributed to some kind of lack of balance and explain where he ended up. I definitely don't think his writing got better after Crimson, you mustn't confuse arrangement and performance with writing as such. For whatever reason, he never (IMO) achieved what he should have.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 30252 |
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I don't agree at all and I'm not sure where you are coming from anyway.
Fripp wouldn't let him record Lucky Man and Lake gives this as one of the reasons he had to leave King Crimson.
I would argue that he became a better song writer in ELP. Emerson gave him lots of ideas. Would he have used Troika in his Christmas song but for the classical influence of ELP I wonder? Lake wasn't a prolific song writer and partnered up with Sinfield for Works in order to get six songs done. Emerson was quite happy for Lake to contribute more as I understand it and Lake was no shrinking violet in terms of stating and getting what he wanted. Those that knew them in the seventies would probably say Lake was the strongest personality in the band. He was never given the production seat in ELP he just took it! Emerson also has a great story at the time of the recording of Pirates and a meeting with 'Lenny '(as Lake called him) Bernstein in his biography that also proves he was no shrinking violet.
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DiamondDog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 15 2011 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 320 |
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He never reached his potential as a songwriter, he could have been so much better. Ironically, he doesn't get the credit he deserves for the standard he reached. I feel that ELP in particular stunted his abilities. King Crimson was a far better vehicle, but the wheels came off the bus.
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Yes. That is even more shocking.
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Then they should have known better... Grrrrrrrrrrr ![]() Hmph! |
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Saw him in Montreal last Spring; I found the show pretty amazing (of course, my wife and I were in row A, seats 1 and 3). We payed the extra to meet him after the show; money well spent. My wife came only so I wouldn't be alone. When we met Lake, I barely could ask him anything, she just kept talking and talking. It was cute!
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