Bravo, President Obama!
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Topic: Bravo, President Obama!
Posted By: Svetonio
Subject: Bravo, President Obama!
Date Posted: February 08 2015 at 21:54
After the withdrawal of the U.S. troops from Iraq, historic agreement with India, the legalization of marijuana, start the negotiations with Iran, his administration's phase out but significant decrease in Israel support after last year criminal bombing of Gaza and the killing of Palestinian children, announced the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan, the abolition of customs duties for many of high-tech goods from People Republic of China, the introduction of health and social care for the poorest Americans, lifting of the embargo with Cuba and the release of Miami five, excellent policy regarding the Putin's aggression on Ukraine and much more, Obama once again proved to the world outside USA that he is to be the best American president since the time brutally cut off but great Kennedy era, properly comparing the Crusades with the Islamic terrorism: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/02/06/what-obama-should-have-said-about-religious-violence/" rel="nofollow - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/02/06/what-obama-should-have-said-about-religious-violence/  |
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 08 2015 at 21:58
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Nice to see someone not on the Let's-bash-Obama bandwagon; best US prez since Kennedy? Pretty much. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: February 08 2015 at 21:59
I'm new around her but I thought the forum frowned on political posts. 
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: February 08 2015 at 22:12
| ^ http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13083" rel="nofollow - Where does it say that? We must have a wealth of political threads on the forum. |
Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: February 08 2015 at 22:33
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When I started I thought I saw the phrase "no politics please" but perhaps that was referring to a specific topic. I haven't seen political threads here but I pretty much stick to the same few topics and threads. So, by all means, post on.
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Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: February 08 2015 at 23:12
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I've loved having Obama as our president. He's actually trying to make change for the better as opposed to just riding the ship or getting us into conflicts with other parts of the nation that takes over a decade to fix. When trying to make a significant impact on the nation as a whole, you're going to piss some people off (and he certainly has), but his heart is in the right place and he's been able to right a lot of wrongs from the previous administration. Here's how one Canadian journalist felt after the mid-term elections back in November. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/The-Vote/2014/1110/After-midterm-sweep-Canadian-asks-What-were-you-thinking-America" rel="nofollow - http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/The-Vote/2014/1110/After-midterm-sweep-Canadian-asks-What-were-you-thinking-America On a related/unrelated note, I just realized that I'm a rare liberal NASCAR fan.  ------------- http://gamercards.exophase.com/xbox/user/MillsLayne/" rel="nofollow">  ht |
Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: February 08 2015 at 23:29
more like making healthcare worse and more expensive for the working poor, but good propaganda post there! |
Svetonio wrote:Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 09 2015 at 05:56
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The one thing Obama has in common with all his predecessors is that he won't touch the rich, and by the rich I mean the actual rich, not the middle class. It's the same in the UK, all our main parties are too chicken sh*t to take on anyone with billions to their name. These are the people who shape politcal policy essentially with bribes. The poor have nothing to bribe the politcal class with, and that is why they will always suffer. They have no representation. As for Obama, he's not my president. I'm not sure what he stands for tbh. In the liberal media he is adored to the point of almost religious psychosis. In the more rightist media, he is portrayed as actually evil; trying to take Amercia apart by deliberately bankrupting it so it can be taken over either by a communist global system, or by Goldman Sachs. Which is it..? ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 09 2015 at 05:58
My understanding of Obamacare was that employers paid the premiums to the insurance companies and not he individual, or does that only apply to the unemployed, disabled etc..? ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: February 09 2015 at 07:53
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: February 09 2015 at 10:39
Ex-Admin hat on
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: February 09 2015 at 10:47
lol Obama had nothing to do with this |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 09 2015 at 10:51
IMHO.. The way it tends to work with media is one chooses to believe whichever media outlet has an editorial slant that is in line with their own beliefs. One feels their views are then validated when they hear a smartly dressed news anchor reading back their opinions to them from a teleprompter. I have to be honest I don't really trust media, liberal or otherwise purely because there is no such thing as media without some kind of slant one way or the other, so regardless of whether or not I believe what I'm told by the BBC, for example, I'm aware that they could be distorting, exagerating, selectively avoiding and misrepresenting. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 09 2015 at 10:53
True. There are Democrats that care about taking on bankers and getting money out of politics, but we all know it takes money to get into office. So the whole Citizens United issue really feels like the death knell for true representative democracy. Although it must be said Democrats by and large are the only ones who actually enact policies that benefit the poor. It's just a shame so many poor rural Republicans buy into the vicious hype that Democrats want to take your jobs and feed them to the socialism or whatever. I guess it's the discrepancy between rural and urban poor. Anyway, I'm not the biggest fan of Obama just because he middles about so much, is so passionless, that when he tries to rouse you (The State of the Union) it just feels disingenuous. I do like his social program agenda, but as with everything, it will all be blocked by Republicans in the name of budget cuts. All the while they try to get corporate gains tax reduced and fight tooth and nail to prevent raising the minimum wage, despite that wage having the lowest buying power is has had in decades. If you can't guess there's no chance I'll be voting for a Republican any time soon. The party is controlled by fringe elements and ideologues, and I simply cannot contribute to them getting more power, even if a particular candidate is reasonable. Edit: On a different note: I generally think the perceived success or failure of a president is due mostly to elements beyond his/her control. It could be latent effects of policies from predecessors, or unforeseen economic booms or busts (Obama's presidency is largely defined by his reaction to actions made by money lenders), global turmoil and warfare, and the cooperation of the Congress. As a figurehead and leader of the military he does have great influence and power, but without the gears spinning with Congress--a luxury Obama has almost never fully enjoyed--a president will always be less influential than his title would suggest. For my perspective, a vast majority of the ineffectiveness of Obama as a president is due to gridlock from a frankly evil Republican block in Congress that works simply to stop Democrats from achieving anything, to the detriment of this country. Couple that with the negativity and propaganda from the Media Wing of the Republican party, and you have an electorate that truly hates Obama. Why, exactly? Socialism? Out of touch? Unamerican? Who can reflect on the reasons why and give a rational reason? ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 09 2015 at 11:07
It ultimately comes down to taxation of the individual I guess. Most people vote with their wallets, even if they can't admit it. Very few people will cast a vote for a party that they are certain is going to put them in the poor house by robbing them of their income or savings, or tax their pension they've building up all their working lives. Ultimately I do want to see the very rich paying an appropriate amount of tax, but that needs to apply to everyone including the Warren Buffets and George Soros's of this world. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: February 09 2015 at 11:40
| Meet the new boss......same as the old boss......money. Obama had nothing to do with legalizing weed. It was grass roots effort. When states realize what a cash cow it is they will fall in line with Washington and Colorado. All presidents are lame ducks. When you trace the money trail to its very end that is where the power will be found. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 09 2015 at 12:59
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I admire Obama most for at least trying to fix the healthcare system here (never mind that it got significantly compromised on the way to final approval). It's going to take a lot more work, but we had to start somewhere. Most recent presidents were content to just sweep it all under the rug, or just depend on good ol' market forces (capitalism) to fix everything (which it doesn't, in the case of healthcare, anyway). I work in healthcare, and feel the reforms directly - we're having major growing pains right now, but I'm trying to see beyond the knee-jerk popular reaction of "oh great, my premiums are higher again. gee thanks Obama!" ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 09 2015 at 18:31
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While I don't agree 100% with everything he's done, he's a hell of a lot better than his predecessor. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 09 2015 at 18:39
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Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: February 09 2015 at 20:05
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 10 2015 at 00:15
....You missed on the 500 pages of debate between myself and libertarians, not to mention the mountain of political threads, or comments. Oh and I'm neutral on Obama. He has, more or less, been George W Bush round 2. Not saying he's done a poor job, and he has of course been shackled by the opposing party, but still...he was far too timid early on when there was great political window, concerned with being bipartsian which I am all for BUT it was clear from day 1 the GOP was never going to bend an inch, so he really was too moderate when it mattered most. The major bill of his Presidency, the healthcare bill, while it provides an increased benefit it does little to change the system itself, and again he sat back and let Congress handle it and gave no push at all. Most importantly, he has continued the policy going on since the Clinton days: Give finance/big banks the keys to the castle, the lands of the common folk and a guarantee to do whatever they want without consequence. To the inequality foes: The upwards transfer of wealth under Obama has been perhaps the most impressive ever. saw a fascinating paper showing how much wealth went to the 90% vs 10% for each recovery since the end of WWII and while it's been getting worse over time....this latest recovery has actually seen the wealth reduce for 90% of the pop, while the 1% made back their pre recession wealth and then some. There was of course his 180s on gitmo, civil liberties/privacy and open government. I don't actually blame all this on him, and some are simply the continuation of forces, but he has been complacent in it all, often sitting back to let whatever happens happens, not to mention continuing George W econ policies basically. Can't say he's done much poorly, but not much well, and in fact not much unique at all. Just been a continuation of our former President. Again, don't really hold this against him but I see no reason he should thus get praise. Sure, he's SAID lots of great things but well....too little too late. It's pretty politically convenient that he brings up lifting the Cuba embargo, free comm college education and more progressive agenda now, that he has no hope at all to pass anything... I suppose that was all harsh, we're more or less an oligarchy by now and I saw Citizens United mentioned earlier, which may indeed be the final blow. Not sure what anyone can really do  |
Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: February 10 2015 at 00:20
I'm pretty sure missing all that was in my favor. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 10 2015 at 00:31
The difference being George W. was a feeble-minded alcoholic. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 10 2015 at 00:33
Cute but means little. If you wanna give Obama credit for being well spoken and not a shame to the nation, well I agree fully but that doesn't mean much I have truly, finally, moved on from the dark days of Wubya. Time to stop thinking about the past and accept the "liberal" party needs some truly major change and soon.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 10 2015 at 00:37
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I wouldn't say the individual who is President means little, it can be highly significant. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 10 2015 at 01:09
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To each their own, I just think it's a bit...surface level. Kind of the easy way out to appeal to the base. Especially when there was that rare political window early on: Total control of congress, a sympathetic media, and people more accepting of big changes...and it was squandered either to support big money or try and broker peace with a party that was never going to budge.
I will be fair: ACA, while mainly to the benefit of the industry, messy, and a blown chance for true change, it does at least provide a benefit to the needy. I also applaud his scaling back of massive US support for Israel, and at least fighting to maintain the status quo...while his opponents quite literally wanted to dismantle the last vestiges of middle class and poor support we have, (and would turn our country into a true aristocracy I think). The stimulus package was small and slow, but it did at least slow the bleeding... it was better than nothing and far better than austerity, which is another live experiment I think being proven wrong. That said, I still think liberals, and especially progressives, in the US should no longer support the Dems. All of Obama's big economic people have been from the Bob Rubin camp: deregulation and massive support of finance/big banks. I just think both sides have become the same now. We should support guys like Bernie Sanders, no matter what, to force some truly progressive change, or at least get some progressive ideas absorbed into the Democratic party. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 10 2015 at 01:13
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: February 10 2015 at 03:55
Let me just add that I read somewhere that this year the U.S. economy this is gonna increased by 2%, unlike to the Chinese economy which this year see fall below 7% what can be pretty dangerous for the Asian dragon of which annual economic growth must be 7% if they want that their economy continues to be healthy, as well as Russian economic will failling by 2% compared to 2014. I generally thought that one can not find much of Obama's mistakes. Ideology is another thing, lol.
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: February 10 2015 at 15:31
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 10 2015 at 15:36
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 10 2015 at 19:42
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Demoblicans, Republicrats, the Supreme Court allowing corporations to act like voting citizens -- there are more whores per capita in the Capitol than on 8 Mile Road in Detroit. I am sick of the whole gridlocked, scam-ridden U.S. political system. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: *frinspar*
Date Posted: February 10 2015 at 21:00
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I feel the same way now, Elf. Both sides are of the same coin that goes to the same place no matter what. At least I can save myself the stress from politics. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 10 2015 at 21:21
Oh believe me I'm not; one has little to do with the other and in Jr. we got both equally. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: February 10 2015 at 21:59
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: February 10 2015 at 23:54
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Didn't end the war in Iraq (The Iraq withdrawal was set under Bush. Obama added forces.) or Afghanistan Waging an illegal and murderous drone war across the middle east in order to cross names off of his kill list (will spare everyone pictures, for now) Further destabilizing the middle east by aiding rebels in Libya and Yemen His foreign policy has been like something out of a Dick Cheney wet dream up to this point Simply another criminal in chief spraying blood all over the globe while further limiting freedoms at home. Nothing special or applause worthy about that. -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 03:32
Poppycock. The U.S. troops have done their work in some dirty political game. The fall of Saddam Hussein has created a power vacuum in Iraq, finally leaving it open for the barbarians to enter. Maybe they could have been held at bay if the US troops stayed there. Pallycock. Israel, like every other nation, has the right to defend itself against attacks, including rockets fired from the Gaza area. And I think that they do their best to minimize the number of innocent victims who are taken hostage as a human shield. As far as my understanding reaches (not very far, I'm afraid), Putin just has to take some counteractions against the US and the EU who are grabbling in his backyard trying to draw Ukraine into their influence sphere. I am not impressed by his musings on religious violence. This is clearly written, either by him or by his tamers, from the perception of a muslim with the crusades-cliché being taken from the dusty shelf once again. The only good thing I can say about it is that the cruel methods of the IS are too barbaric for his standards. I couldn't agree less.   ------------- 
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 05:38
No, the "barbarians" would have been at bay if the other countries next to Iraq (Saudi Arabia, Iran and maybe Turkey) weren't also trying to be the new regional power and weren't funding or supporting the various militias, terrorist movements or criminal organisations trying to take the power in Iraq. If the American troops were to stay, they would just endure more deaths and would have to support a faction artificialy put in charge by the USA, for there was no political opposition and no way to replace Saddam Hussein. And I'm still waiting for a free Kurdistan - and even the USA wouldn't help this nation to get its own state.
While I'm well aware that some Palestinian movements are nothing but terrorist, war-hungry, extremist factions (some using children as shields, it's documented), maybe Israel wouldn't have to defend itself if it left EVERY occupied territories and abandon the Israeli colons setting over the Palestinian borders.
And, of cours, Good Guy Putin is just a poor innocent pacific chief of state who absolutely doesn't try to take back the former territories of the Russian Empire and the URSS... Attacks against the Estonian internet networks, blackmail against Europe with the menace of the rise of the gas price, military occupation in Chechnya, support to Bachar Al-Assad... Don't be fooled, Putin is another imperialist trying to keep the control of Ukraine and every country near Russia. That said, I don't understand the need for Europe to get Ukraine in its network: the new Ukrainian is composed of fascist right-wing activists, and it will be another member for the OTAN. Instead of adding new members from Eastern Europe which only impoverish the budget of the Union and deepen the American implantation (each new country also get into the OTAN), the European Union should have stayed in its 1995 limits and develope its own military force. |
Posted By: *frinspar*
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 12:25
Might regret opening this can of worms, but I'm incapable of self-restraint at times, and am curious to find out about what freedoms you have lost, or feel have been limited. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 13:13
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Quick btw, as we speak Obama is of course sending a letter to Congress requesting the Authorization for use of force against terrorists, to fight ISIS. So, we have potentially have Iraq round #3 coming up very soon Sure, there are actually terrorists this time, and not just a thinly veiled excuse to "finish the job" neocons wanted done in 91, but I think Afghanistan has proven how difficult it is to wage actual war against terrorists. BTW, while it pains me to say this: MoM was right, it was under Bush the withdrawl of Iraq was signed, while Obama did at first increase troops in Afghanistan. He has maintained more or less everything Wubya has done. Sorry, as a liberal (or esp progressive) I just don't see how anyone can really praise his Presidency. At best....neutral. Especially since both parties are becoming one, I think eating up these buzz words, and still hating on Wubya is actually part of the problem. If we keep rooting for a team, and not policies, things will keep getting worse. Are you interested in real impacts or just laughing at the other party? Believe me, I never thought I'd get to say this: Wubya is gone...it's time to move on. Though sometimes it's been hard to tell where Wubya ended and Obama began! |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 20:08
If he still identifies as libertarian, I'd imagine the list is pretty extensive, but probably could apply to modern American government rather than Obama in particular. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 20:15
Israel will always have to defend itself against that "faction" (I think that term implies it's not common practice to put mortars on school rooftops and in apartment complexes--civilian areas--which is the standard for Palastine) until Israel doesn't exist. The Palestinians play their game of war in a grotesque way, and I don't know why they get so much sympathy from Europe. They show time and time again that they're not serious about diplomacy, least of all in electing a group with a tenant of no Israel to power. Now I do not agree with the claiming of land by Israel, but when it comes to war and provocation, I will have a minimum of sympathy for Palestine until it elects moderates. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 13 2015 at 16:38
Yeah, he hasn't really done much at all to infringe on liberties/rights...just continued what was already going on. One can debate if that makes him "worse" than wubya or simply continuing the trend, perhaps once set in motion it can't even really be stopped? More I think about it, that's probably the case. |
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: February 13 2015 at 17:31
While I don't think Netanyahu has done anything to deserve any support from anyone (a selfish, power hungry megalomaniac with a psycho for a wife), the summer's operation only really started when 13 Hamas militants sprang out of a tunnel right next to a kibbutz. It was later unveiled that there are tens of these underground tunnels passing through the border onto Israeli territory. No sane country wants to have the possibility of a massive wide scale terrorist attack which could leave hundreds dead. If going in was the only way to destroy these tunnels, then there was no other choice. I can honestly say that Israel has zero interest in killing civilians. Therefore it does everything in its power to abstain from killing these civilians. Hamas fires their rockets from civilian homes and forces the families to stay in the house. Now there is a very harsh and messed up dilemma- either you kill Palestinian civilians or risk having your civilians killed from the almost 2,000 rockets fired at Israel's territory. Usually the Israeli government decided to strike these houses, even if the civilians did not get out. That's the inconvenient truth, but you can see that this isn't just a sick hunt after Palestinian lives, it drives me nuts to see people regard it that way. That month of the operation was one of the most difficult months in my life. The constant rocket barrages, the nights without sleep in some sort of duty or other, and ultimately losing a childhood friend who was killed inside Gaza. I have no problem if people disagree with Israel's policy. I consider myself fairly left-wing at the end of the day, and strongly support ending the military occupation and getting the living hell out of the West Bank (out of Israel's interests more than Palestinian interest honestly). With that people must acknowledge that this is one of the most outright complicated conflicts in modern history. I wish that both sides would be interested in a sovereign Palestinian state, but neither are (obviously the Palestinian people want an end to the military occupation, but the Palestinian Authority shows very little interest in establishing a state- a state which will probably collapse quickly from lack of funds and financial aid from Israel and other Islamic nations). Also, right across the border, hundred of thousands of people are dying from the single most brutal civil war in the 21st century, Lebanon has a terrorist organization running all of the Southern part of the country, Egypt is run but what is basically a dictator, and Turkey is killing thousands of Kurds fighting for their independence (the Kurds also being the worlds biggest minority)- weirdly this subjects don't seem to be as hot as the "war crimes" Israel commits against a terrorist-run Gaza. Denounce Israel as much as you want, but disregarding the heinous war crimes happening around us daily is pure hypocrisy.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 21:26
| Obama's middle east policy shows some good intent perhaps even though the emergence of ISIS could blow up what political capital he acquired there. But from an Indian perspective Dubya was the best US president we dealt with. Not only the most open to forging a fruitful relationship with India but also in terms of balancing the conflicting interests of India and Pakistan (US' traditional ally). It's an open secret that the Indian business community desperately wished for a Republican president to succeed Dubya in 2008 because they rightly apprehended that Obama would pull Pak back in the game. It in fact took a combination of short term and long term developments for Obama to press reset on India: China's importance acquiring threatening proportions, terrorism running out of control even within Pak and India electing Modi with a majority in the lower house to replace the by then politically hampered Manmohan Singh. I hate Dubya for Iraq and Afghanistan but the fact is there was no India - US relationship before his time. Only Kennedy tried and Nehru was too senile by then to reciprocate. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 08:23
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 09:06
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Thanks :-) ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 12:19
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I will agree with Frippism' post, but I must confess that I tend to react in a nearly agressive way when I hear/read Americans giving their two cents about this everlasting conflict. In fact, I'm somewhat puzzled and irritated to see people ready to scream about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, but keeping strangely mute when it comes to the situation in Tibet and in Ouigouristan - not to talk about the shameful absence of support towards the Kurds. I can't understand that. |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 12:57
| What is your country doing to support the Kurds?^ |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 13:16
His country prefers to bitch about Americans not doing enough, then bitch equally strenuously as to who we support. You see, it is quite difficult to accomplish any work with one's hands while spending an inordinate time in finger-pointing. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 13:18
| Amen^ |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 13:58
Do you really think I was talking only about the USA? Like it was the center of the world or like there was no European Union! Do you think I agree with my own country's reddition to Chinese government? Do you think I enjoy the news of France doing business with China while Chinese workers are exploited, Tibet get colonized, Hong Kong is losing its democratic institutions and Taďwan fears for its independance? Do you think I don't complain about France doing nothing for the Kurds? Do you think I'm expecting for an American military intervention in Kurdistan? Well, I don't. Frankly, I HOPE that Americans won't get into Middle East, but that Europeans will do, for once! |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 15:46
Amusingly enough, I've always thought that the term "European Union" was used strictly in an oxymoronic sense, like saying "jumbo shrimp" or "military intelligence" (and I thank George Carlin for the paraphrase). ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 04 2015 at 04:18
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/02/barack-obama-historic-agreement-iran-core-objectives" rel="nofollow - http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/02/barack-obama-historic-agreement-iran-core-objectives
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: April 04 2015 at 06:09
Yesterday, I saw some footages showing Iranian people celebrating these news in the streets. I guess some people never heard about Tchernobyl or Fukushima...  |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 10 2015 at 04:37
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I don't think Netanyahu likes this deal. He is hell bent on attacking Iran, and Obama to his credit is not sucking up to Israel like many of his predecessors did. Remember Slick Willy proclaiming "I love Israel. I would take a bullet for Israel" I've nothing against the people of Israel, but this particular PM needs his wings clipping imo, and the US is the only country that can do that. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 24 2015 at 23:42
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