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Topic: New "Album" definition!

Posted By: O666
Subject: New "Album" definition!
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 10:33

Hi. I have a question about "Studio Album" word. For better explain I give you 2 example:

1-Corvus Stone : Unscrewed (2015)

2- Edisons Children: Somewhere Between Here And There(2015)

These 2 albums categorized as Studio Albums in their page in PA but you can see many versions of old tracks in these albums track list! Even Live version of one song in new "Studio Album" track list.

Now I really want to know what is PA definition for Studio Album? I don't have a negative point about this and please don't zoom on " ! " in my thread . Thanks

Replies:

Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 11:43

O666 wrote:

Hi. I have a question about "Studio Album" word. For better explain I give you 2 example:

1-Corvus Stone : Unscrewed (2015)

2- Edisons Children: Somewhere Between Here And There(2015)

These 2 albums categorized as Studio Albums in their page in PA but you can see many versions of old tracks in these albums track list! Even Live version of one song in new "Studio Album" track list.

Now I really want to know what is PA definition for Studio Album? I don't have a negative point about this and please don't zoom on " ! " in my thread . Thanks

Hi 0666,

In response to your question, the definition of a studio album you can find on Wikipedia, also copied here below for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album#Studio_album" rel="nofollow - -

A studio album contains newly written and recorded or previously unreleased or remixed material, distinguishing itself from a compilation or reissue album
of previously recorded material, or live recording made at a performance venue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album

Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 11:49

Hmm, off the topic but why does PA allow reviews of singles? Especially songs that can be found on readily available albums?

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Posted By: odinalcatraz
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 12:06

O666 wrote:

Hi. I have a question about "Studio Album" word. For better explain I give you 2 example:

1-Corvus Stone : Unscrewed (2015)

2- Edisons Children: Somewhere Between Here And There(2015)

These 2 albums categorized as Studio Albums in their page in PA but you can see many versions of old tracks in these albums track list! Even Live version of one song in new "Studio Album" track list.

Now I really want to know what is PA definition for Studio Album? I don't have a negative point about this and please don't zoom on " ! " in my thread . Thanks

Hi there! Good question.
I am from Corvus Stone and it was all done in studios. Various studios but that has happened throughout history. Recorded here and there, mixed somehwere else etc.
In our case, we have remixed some music from previous albums(Unlike many bands, we give it free to any buyer of the first 2)
All done in studios and glad to say NOT mastered to be loud and unmusical. Call it old school studio
Real even
Bye for now
Colin

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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 12:13

SteveG wrote:

Hmm, off the topic but why does PA allow reviews of singles? Especially songs that can be found on readily available albums?

I was aware that P.A. only add complete album releases, thus not singles?

I see nothing wrong in reviewing recent remastered versions, as you probably are aware, many remastered versions differ from the original, inc. dynamic range etc. i.e. the 3 first albums from Led Zeppelin have now again been remastered and it would be silly to review the old ones if you instead happen to have the recent ones.

Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 12:19

^ You right. Your new album have many new stuffs . I like Corvus Stone and I have all of your albums. But new EC album have different story!!

Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 12:26

Kati wrote:

SteveG wrote:

Hmm, off the topic but why does PA allow reviews of singles? Especially songs that can be found on readily available albums?

I was aware that P.A. only add complete album releases, thus not singles?

There are many Genesis singles reviews in PA Kati and, again, most are from albums that are available such as And Then There Were Three. And these are not remixes and/or remasters which alters the listening experience.

Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 12:27

Kati wrote:

O666 wrote:

Hi. I have a question about "Studio Album" word. For better explain I give you 2 example:

1-Corvus Stone : Unscrewed (2015)

2- Edisons Children: Somewhere Between Here And There(2015)

These 2 albums categorized as Studio Albums in their page in PA but you can see many versions of old tracks in these albums track list! Even Live version of one song in new "Studio Album" track list.

Now I really want to know what is PA definition for Studio Album? I don't have a negative point about this and please don't zoom on " ! " in my thread . Thanks

Hi 0666,

In response to your question, the definition of a studio album you can find on Wikipedia, also copied here below for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album#Studio_album" rel="nofollow - -

Hi. I don't agree with you. Edison's Children new album can categorize as Boxset and Compilation. You can find and listen. This is not about 1 or 2 tracks this is about over 50% of album! I recommend you to listen to this album. Thanks

Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 12:32

SteveG wrote:

Hmm, off the topic but why does PA allow reviews of singles? Especially songs that can be found on readily available albums?

Hi Steve. I think you don't understand my point. Maybe my English make that. I focus on "Categorize". Thanks

Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 12:37

O666 wrote:

SteveG wrote:

Hmm, off the topic but why does PA allow reviews of singles? Especially songs that can be found on readily available albums?

Hi Steve. I think you don't understand my point. Maybe my English make that. I focus on "Categorize". Thanks

Hi Omid! You're English is great.

I went off the topic. My apologies.

Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 13:47

O666 wrote:

Kati wrote:

O666 wrote:

Hi. I have a question about "Studio Album" word. For better explain I give you 2 example:

1-Corvus Stone : Unscrewed (2015)

2- Edisons Children: Somewhere Between Here And There(2015)

These 2 albums categorized as Studio Albums in their page in PA but you can see many versions of old tracks in these albums track list! Even Live version of one song in new "Studio Album" track list.

Now I really want to know what is PA definition for Studio Album? I don't have a negative point about this and please don't zoom on " ! " in my thread . Thanks

Hi 0666,

In response to your question, the definition of a studio album you can find on Wikipedia, also copied here below for you:

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album#Studio_album" rel="nofollow][/URL]
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A
studio album contains newly
written and recorded or previously unreleased or remixed material,
distinguishing itself from a compilation or reissue album

of previously recorded material, or
live recording made at a performance venue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album

Interesting... You ask for the definition, saying you have no problem with the two examples, and then you start disagreeing with the definition using one of the albums as an example.
Some would call that trolling... Especially since you fail to point out which tracks you are referring to. Listening to the album has nothing to do with that.
The Wikipedia definition may not be exactly the one used by PA, but it is close enough. Has been for years.

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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 15:18

SteveG wrote:

O666 wrote:

SteveG wrote:

Hmm, off the topic but why does PA allow reviews of singles? Especially songs that can be found on readily available albums?

Hi Steve. I think you don't understand my point. Maybe my English make that. I focus on "Categorize". Thanks

Hi Omid! You're English is great.

I went off the topic. My apologies.

Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 15:38

Angelo wrote:

O666 wrote:

Kati wrote:

O666 wrote:

Hi. I have a question about "Studio Album" word. For better explain I give you 2 example:

1-Corvus Stone : Unscrewed (2015)

2- Edisons Children: Somewhere Between Here And There(2015)

These 2 albums categorized as Studio Albums in their page in PA but you can see many versions of old tracks in these albums track list! Even Live version of one song in new "Studio Album" track list.

Now I really want to know what is PA definition for Studio Album? I don't have a negative point about this and please don't zoom on " ! " in my thread . Thanks

Hi 0666,

In response to your question, the definition of a studio album you can find on Wikipedia, also copied here below for you:

of previously recorded material, or
live recording made at a performance venue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album

Hi Angelo. You don't get my point. I don't change my opinion yet. some guys give me Link for "Studio Album" Definition ! I know about this definition but IMO this kind of albums don't be a "New Studio Album". Maybe you talk about Corvus Stone and my answer to one of them. I only said C.S new album have more new stuffs but this album still have many repeated tracks.

This is very clear. You check and listen these albums then write your opinion about them. When you add one album as New Studio Album , this may effect to guys like me and spend money for having this new album. Never forget we talk about PA's effect on Prog fans . I hope you understand my opinion. Thanks

Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 15:41

Angelo wrote:

O666 wrote:

Kati wrote:

O666 wrote:

Hi. I have a question about "Studio Album" word. For better explain I give you 2 example:

1-Corvus Stone : Unscrewed (2015)

2- Edisons Children: Somewhere Between Here And There(2015)

These 2 albums categorized as Studio Albums in their page in PA but you can see many versions of old tracks in these albums track list! Even Live version of one song in new "Studio Album" track list.

Now I really want to know what is PA definition for Studio Album? I don't have a negative point about this and please don't zoom on " ! " in my thread . Thanks

Hi 0666,

In response to your question, the definition of a studio album you can find on Wikipedia, also copied here below for you:

of previously recorded material, or
live recording made at a performance venue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album

Hi Angelo. I never ask about classic definition of new studio album. You don't get my point. I don't change my opinion yet. some guys give me Link for "Studio Album" Definition ! I know about this definition but IMO this kind of albums don't be a "New Studio Album". Maybe you talk about Corvus Stone and my answer to one of them. I only said C.S new album have more new stuffs but this album still have many repeated tracks.

This is very clear. You check and listen these albums then write your opinion about them. When you add one album as New Studio Album , this may effect to guys like me and force us to spend money for having this new album. Never forget we talk about PA's effect on Prog fans . I hope you understand my opinion. Thanks

Posted By: aliano
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 16:07

I agree with you that the new album of Edison's Children should be categorized in the compilation albums section.

Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 17:08

[QUOTE=aliano] I agree with you that the new album of Edison's Children should be categorized in the compilation albums section

I don't see why at all. I listened to the new EC album tonight for the first time, having preordered it.

Pete and Eric were quite clear about this project. It was designed as an album including different mixes of previously released material, some new material, and mainly as a "bridging" album between wholly new material previously released, and to come. It stands fully as an Edison's Children studio album. It is not a compilation album, which would merely be re-released old material. This album has standalone versions of tracks. It is, by the way, extremely good.

I cannot comment on the new Corvus Stone release, but I will be buying it in the next week, or so. I know Colin well enough to state unutterably that he would not seek to deceive us by describing this work as a standalone studio work, and I will buy it on that basis.

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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 17:41

O666 wrote:

Angelo wrote:

O666 wrote:

Kati wrote:

Hi 0666,

In response to your question, the definition of a studio album you can find on Wikipedia, also copied here below for you:

<...snip...>

Hello O666, let's set this straight. I'd like to avoid an endless discussion, which your style of discussing is bound to result in. If it is language related (which is very well possible) then please read very carefully before posting questions like you did, and certainly before responding to the answers you get. That could save a lot of time and confusion. So here goes...

You raise a question - asking for the definition of studio album used by PA. You get an answer (from a very fine lady, btw, not from 'some guys' Wink

). So far so good.

Then, you disagree with the definition, by contradicting yourself. In your initial post, you say you have no problem with the Edison Children album being defined as studio album, but after someone provides the definition you suddenly do have a problem with the album. That makes no sense to me.

When I point that out to you, you tell me I don't understand your point, and tell me that I am talking about the other album (Corvus Stone). That's plain silly, I know what I write, and I know what I respond to: your remark about Edison's Children.

Contradicting yourself and then telling me I don't understand to me means: end of discussion.

However, I do feel I have to give a final response to your closing remark, about how to spend your money and how PA and it's reviewers may influence that.

Indeed, we do add albums in the place where we see fit, as we have done since 2004. And yes, some albums, according to the definition contain tracks that were also included in other albums by the same band - which is indeed the case with these two. Still, the amount of new material is considered sufficient to list them as studio albums, and remixes are obviously included for a reason (typically that reason being they are considered to be better than the previous releases of the same material).

I can only hope that positive reviews indeed get you to buy albums and support the bands that create them. If we include an album here and review it, that does not mean you don't have to think for yourself about whether or not you are going to spend money on it. As your initial post already indicates: it is clear from the description of these albums that not all material is new - whether or not that is reason to buy it or not to buy it is up to you, not to us. And in cases like the two you mentioned, you always have the option to only buy the new tracks from bandcamp or CDbaby. Your choice, not ours, and certainly not a reason to change the definition of what a studio album is.

I'll get me coat - I'm pretty sure this is all I have to say on this.

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I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected]

Posted By: odinalcatraz
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 18:21

O666 wrote:

Angelo wrote:

O666 wrote:

Kati wrote:

O666 wrote:

Hi. I have a question about "Studio Album" word. For better explain I give you 2 example:

1-Corvus Stone : Unscrewed (2015)

2- Edisons Children: Somewhere Between Here And There(2015)

These 2 albums categorized as Studio Albums in their page in PA but you can see many versions of old tracks in these albums track list! Even Live version of one song in new "Studio Album" track list.

Now I really want to know what is PA definition for Studio Album? I don't have a negative point about this and please don't zoom on " ! " in my thread . Thanks

Hi 0666,

In response to your question, the definition of a studio album you can find on Wikipedia, also copied here below for you:

of previously recorded material, or
live recording made at a performance venue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album

Wow this has received a lot of attention. Must be a good post of yours!
"Corvus Stone Unscrewed" is, in my opinion a complete album and most of it rather new. Only 2 tracks and the bonus track are remixes with very little else done. All of those tracks have a great sound now and we felt we needed to do that for these 3. More than that, they are completely free to any buyer of a previous album, as it states, on every review and the album description.
The re-visioned tracks are not remixes. They had a lot of work put in to them and a couple of those are a whole world apart from the versions already out there. They are also free to previous buyers.
The new tracks are ... um... new! We loved making them and again, are completely free to any buyer of one of our albums.
Then comes the actual sound on this album and maybe the real point. We never liked or fell in to the trap of compressing our albums to be loud but on this one, we pretty much skipped mastering all together. Consider it a test (Free to previous buyers), to see how many people actually care or notice that it is similar to the sound you got on vinyl(without the scratches). More real and ear friendly and strangely enough, more powerful when turned up, than modern compressed music.
I would like to do everything this way in the future and hope that ALL bands will do the same.
So.. to your point of it costing you money due to wrong info. That is impossible. If you buy this and never bought one before, you will pay but anyone knows that on bandcamp, you can listen to the whole thing first.
If you bought one of our 80 minute albums before, you have almost no way of not knowing this one is free to you. Progarchives were kind enough to include the info about that on the album description. The reviews back it up. So does our website etc etc.
Back in the day(UK), when an album cost the same as 1 day's wages and we had no bandcamp. Now, when an album costs less than 2 coffees and you can freely read all about the album on here, without buying a magazine and listen to the whole thing on bandcamp, it's pretty easy!
We do our best and are nothing if not fair an thoughtful. We love what we do and very much hope you do too!

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Posted By: odinalcatraz
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 18:29

lazland wrote:

[QUOTE=aliano] I agree with you that the new album of Edison's Children should be categorized in the compilation albums section

I don't see why at all. I listened to the new EC album tonight for the first time, having preordered it.

Pete and Eric were quite clear about this project. It was designed as an album including different mixes of previously released material, some new material, and mainly as a "bridging" album between wholly new material previously released, and to come. It stands fully as an Edison's Children studio album. It is not a compilation album, which would merely be re-released old material. This album has standalone versions of tracks. It is, by the way, extremely good.

I cannot comment on the new Corvus Stone release, but I will be buying it in the next week, or so. I know Colin well enough to state unutterably that he would not seek to deceive us by describing this work as a standalone studio work, and I will buy it on that basis.

Thank you Steve!
I must insist that you not pay if you already bought one tho. Ha!
More importantly, I hope you like it. What I enjoyed this time, was the way we accidentally made an album and that can only happen when it's fun.
Colin

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http://www.corvusstone.com

Posted By: odinalcatraz
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 18:35

O666 wrote:

^ You right. Your new album have many new stuffs . I like Corvus Stone and I have all of your albums. But new EC album have different story!!

I just saw this. Thank you!!!
You have our albums? Then please grab this new one free direct from me. I think you will enjoy this. Big smile

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http://www.corvusstone.com

Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 08:20

Angelo wrote:

O666 wrote:

Angelo wrote:

O666 wrote:

Kati wrote:

Hi 0666,

In response to your question, the definition of a studio album you can find on Wikipedia, also copied here below for you:

<...snip...>

You raise a question - asking for the definition of studio album used by PA. You get an answer (from a very fine lady, btw, not from 'some guys' Wink

). So far so good.

Contradicting yourself and then telling me I don't understand to me means: end of discussion.

However, I do feel I have to give a final response to your closing remark, about how to spend your money and how PA and it's reviewers may influence that.

I'll get me coat - I'm pretty sure this is all I have to say on this.

I can't understand you. This is not about me!!! I am a very bad guy and you right!!! I dont forced any one to waste their time in this post. If You don't like me and my challenge style, ok you don't waste your time. I ask a clear question about a OBJECTIVE thing. I must explain about some thing for you

1 - I am a Prog Rock fan over 30 years and learn about how pay mo money for music.

2 - Please talk about Edison's Children new album. Are you listen or not and if your answer is yes what is your opinion? Is this a Studio album?

3 - You advice me to use BANDCAMP or ... I suggest many new bands in PA and some of them accepted in PA. this show I know these sites and blogs.

4 - I never try to change definitions!!! I said about categorize and some friends give their HONEST opinion about this question but you try to analyze my character and personage !! why?

Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 08:23

aliano wrote:

I agree with you that the new album of Edison's Children should be categorized in the compilation albums section.

Thanks so much. You got my point. I 100% agree.

Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 08:32

odinalcatraz wrote:

O666 wrote:

^ You right. Your new album have many new stuffs . I like Corvus Stone and I have all of your albums. But new EC album have different story!!

I just saw this. Thank you!!!
You have our albums? Then please grab this new one free direct from me. I think you will enjoy this. Big smile

I am CS huge fan and I wrote a comment in Progfreak for your second album. I like to talk about CS in another thread and with positive Atmosphere. Unfortunately some guys don't answer my question and attack to me. I really upset about this kind of discuss. You got my point in first time and wrote your opinion. I appreciated and thanks again.

Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 08:36

odinalcatraz wrote:

O666 wrote:

^ You right. Your new album have many new stuffs . I like Corvus Stone and I have all of your albums. But new EC album have different story!!

I just saw this. Thank you!!!
You have our albums? Then please grab this new one free direct from me. I think you will enjoy this. Big smile

I forget to say that I have Unscrewed and honestly I enjoy so much. Thanks again. see you Thumbs Up

Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 08:42

Thank you. I listen to EC new released and I like them too but I disagree with you about album or not. 3 version of one song !! I like EC so much but IMO this is not a Studio Album. Thanks for your time and answer.

Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 09:28

Why you moved this thread? can you explain?

Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 09:36

Hi Omid
I moved it before because it fits in here better. You are asking for PA to change something about itself, so this is the proper place

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Posted By: aliano
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 09:42

Actually as Lazland said the new EC album is not a compilation nor a new studio album.It's as he said a bridge album!Maybe PA needs a new category named Bridge Album LOL

Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 09:51

Guldbamsen wrote:

Hi Omid
I moved it before because it fits in here better. You are asking for PA to change something about itself, so this is the proper place

You right. But I can't find it easily . Maybe this happen for others that want to continue this discuss and they can't find it.

Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 10:06

O666 wrote:

aliano wrote:

I agree with you that the new album of Edison's Children should be categorized in the compilation albums section.

Thanks so much. You got my point. I 100% agree.

I think we all get your point, we just don't all agree with you that the album should be regarded a compilation album and not a studio album.

With just 31 min. of new music, i.e. of never before released material, excluding never before heard remixes of old songs, it's a bit on the short side for a studio album, but it's over the limit of an EP (25 min.), and there's been studio albums in the past that's been, if not shorter, at least not very much longer.

The band calls it a "bridge album", as it's not a concept album in the typical Edison's Children vein. As long as the band don't call it a compilation album, I think it's fine in studio albums.

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 10:13

O666 wrote:

Guldbamsen wrote:

Hi Omid
I moved it before because it fits in here better. You are asking for PA to change something about itself, so this is the proper place

You right. But I can't find it easily . Maybe this happen for others that want to continue this discuss and they can't find it.

Luckily so this part of the forum is not very busy. I think you have a bigger chance of members seeing this here than in the prog lounge, where it almost certainly would 'disappear' among the more active threads.

As for your op: I agree with Audun (The Bearded Bard) who just posted. 31 minutes of brand new music is sufficient enough for PA to categorise it as a studio album. Hell I have a fair few albums, studio no less, that are shorter than that.
I see no reason to change our definitions.

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- Douglas Adams

Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 10:26

I swear to god I don't talk about CHANGING definition!!! I JUST talked about changing category of this kind of albums specially Edison's Children last album!! I can give you more examples. But I afraid!!!

Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 10:40

Alright then take it easy (maybe it's PA who should be afraid

).
I still don't see the need for it to be honest. It's a new album with new material though with a bit extra music in the bargain.
Adding a whole category for what basically just is a new studio release with extra padding is in my humble opinion overkill. All people have to do is to click on the given release and then they will be able to see what it contains.

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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”

- Douglas Adams

Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 11:00

Guldbamsen wrote:

Alright then take it easy (maybe it's PA who should be afraid

IMO Edison's Children's "Somewhere Between Here And There" not be a "Studio Album" but I respect to you and Your opinion. Thanks

Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 12:16

SteveG wrote:

Hmm, off the topic but why does PA allow reviews of singles? Especially songs that can be found on readily available albums?

Because it is the PA collabs' mandate (from M@X) to list the artists entire discography regardless of format. This includes singles, EPs, fan-club releases, demos and even flexi-discs.

Using the logic that the songs can be found readily on studio albums should we not permit reviews of compilations and VA samplers too?

Anyway... Not all bands lifted tracks off their latest album to release as singles (Strawberry Fields, Paperback Writer, Day Tripper, Hey Jude, Apples and Oranges, See Emily Play, Arnold Lane, Apples and Oranges, It Would Be So Nice, Point Me At The Sky, etc.). Often the single version was an edit, different recording or a different mix. Also, b-sides were often tracks not found on albums. That all these different non-album tracks later appear on compilations is immaterial.

It used to irk me that some folk only reviewed the a-side and failed to mention the b-side and that others "reviewed" a single when it is clear that they've never actually heard the particular version that was released on 45, but now I just shrug and move on.

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What?

Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: August 16 2015 at 13:08

O666 wrote:

Angelo wrote:

<...snip...>

I'll get me coat - I'm pretty sure this is all I have to say on this.

1 - I am a Prog Rock fan over 30 years and learn about how pay mo money for music.

2 - Please talk about Edison's Children new album. Are you listen or not and if your answer is yes what is your opinion? Is this a Studio album?

3 - You advice me to use BANDCAMP or ... I suggest many new bands in PA and some of them accepted in PA. this show I know these sites and blogs.

4 - I never try to change definitions!!! I said about categorize and some friends give their HONEST opinion about this question but you try to analyze my character and personage !! why?

Hmmm... pretty obvious what the problem is here. I'll take this to a PM, so we don't further waste other member's time on this.

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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 17 2015 at 10:44

Angelo wrote:

O666 wrote:

Angelo wrote:

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I'll get me coat - I'm pretty sure this is all I have to say on this.

1 - I am a Prog Rock fan over 30 years and learn about how pay mo money for music.

2 - Please talk about Edison's Children new album. Are you listen or not and if your answer is yes what is your opinion? Is this a Studio album?

3 - You advice me to use BANDCAMP or ... I suggest many new bands in PA and some of them accepted in PA. this show I know these sites and blogs.

4 - I never try to change definitions!!! I said about categorize and some friends give their HONEST opinion about this question but you try to analyze my character and personage !! why?

Hmmm... pretty obvious what the problem is here. I'll take this to a PM, so we don't further waste other member's time on this.

Hi Angelo. I want explain to you and other friends about this thread:

1 - Angelo right about challenge . Post "TITLE" is wrong and I must choose another Title to show my opinion clearly. This title may make misunderstanding. I don't want say "changing definition " . I talk about changing category of some Released material and ... You right Angelo and pardon me.

2 - Angelo right about Objective. This is not Objective case.This is a Subjective case. You right again Angelo.

3 - I don't proud to suggesting bands in PA. Honestly I tried to gave Angelo one fact to proof that I Know Bandcamp or this kind of sites . I never proud to suggesting or introducing bands.

Finally I stand on my opinion about Edison's Children's " Somewhere Between Here And There ". This is not a Studio Album but this can be a Boxset or Compilation . Please listen and check that then give me your opinions if you like.

Thanks for your time and one great sorry to Angelo.

Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 17 2015 at 11:24

^ My dear chap. I have listened to the Edison's Children album. It is not a box set - it only has the one disc. It is not a compilation - it has new tracks, and new versions of old tracks. It is not a live album, although it does contain one live track (from Wolverhampton, if you are interested). It is not a various artists album, although it does feature other artists on top of Blackwood and Trewavas.

That leaves us, then, with only one possible contender, ergo a studio album.

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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 17 2015 at 11:40

lazland wrote:

^ My dear chap. I have listened to the Edison's Children album. It is not a box set - it only has the one disc. It is not a compilation - it has new tracks, and new versions of old tracks. It is not a live album, although it does contain one live track (from Wolverhampton, if you are interested). It is not a various artists album, although it does feature other artists on top of Blackwood and Trewavas.

That leaves us, then, with only one possible contender, ergo a studio album.

Honestly Interesting Point . BUT IMO in these cases we must choose nearest category. I can ignore 2 or 3 tracks of 12-13 tracks album but in this case we have over 50% remixes or versions of tracks. you see album's track list . Full of (X mix) or (X version) . IMO this is not a New Studio Album.

Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 17 2015 at 11:58

The Bearded Bard wrote:

O666 wrote:

aliano wrote:

I agree with you that the new album of Edison's Children should be categorized in the compilation albums section.

Thanks so much. You got my point. I 100% agree.

I think we all get your point, we just don't all agree with you that the album should be regarded a compilation album and not a studio album.

The band calls it a "bridge album", as it's not a concept album in the typical Edison's Children vein. As long as the band don't call it a compilation album, I think it's fine in studio albums.

Thanks. If everybody got my points, Why they gave to me Album's Definition?! In this time you right. You can review this thread and replies. You have your point and I want to say reasonable Point but not enough for me. As I said before you can see 2-3 version of one track and honestly when I compare versions I reach to Original track. I mean main track better than all versions of that track!! I know this is subjective and not about our discussion.

Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: August 17 2015 at 12:44

O666 wrote:

Hi Angelo. I want explain to you and other friends about this thread:

2 - Angelo right about Objective. This is not Objective case.This is a Subjective case. You right again Angelo.

3 - I don't proud to suggesting bands in PA. Honestly I tried to gave Angelo one fact to proof that I Know Bandcamp or this kind of sites . I never proud to suggesting or introducing bands.

Thanks for your time and one great sorry to Angelo.

Thanks for the kind PM, Omid - this should settle it. No need to apologise, in a misunderstanding both sides are wrong (and right at the same time if you want). :-)

I think the Edison's Children album is a studio album, as I explained to you in PM, but I'll wait with my final opinion until my ears can confirm or deny this fact next week. Prog on!

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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 17 2015 at 14:43

Dean wrote:

SteveG wrote:

Hmm, off the topic but why does PA allow reviews of singles? Especially songs that can be found on readily available albums?

Because it is the PA collabs' mandate (from M@X) to list the artists entire discography regardless of format. This includes singles, EPs, fan-club releases, demos and even flexi-discs.

Using the logic that the songs can be found readily on studio albums should we not permit reviews of compilations and VA samplers too?

Hi Dean. You right. I like Marillion's Grendel and this song not be in Album. I found that in B-Side and I really like to rate or talk about that. I agree with you about that.

Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 17 2015 at 14:49

Angelo wrote:

O666 wrote:

Hi Angelo. I want explain to you and other friends about this thread:

2 - Angelo right about Objective. This is not Objective case.This is a Subjective case. You right again Angelo.

3 - I don't proud to suggesting bands in PA. Honestly I tried to gave Angelo one fact to proof that I Know Bandcamp or this kind of sites . I never proud to suggesting or introducing bands.

Thanks for your time and one great sorry to Angelo.

Thanks for the kind PM, Omid - this should settle it. No need to apologise, in a misunderstanding both sides are wrong (and right at the same time if you want). :-)

I think the Edison's Children album is a studio album, as I explained to you in PM, but I'll wait with my final opinion until my ears can confirm or deny this fact next week. Prog on!

Thanks Angelo. I really like to talk about music and opinions with you. I check your blog and honestly I like that. Beer

Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: August 17 2015 at 15:31

Will it ever end? Please, somebody, kill the beast.

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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 18 2015 at 08:46

NotAProghead wrote:

Will it ever end? Please, somebody, kill the beast.

As you wish majesty!! its done LOL

Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 18 2015 at 08:51

NotAProghead wrote:

Will it ever end? Please, somebody, kill the beast.

As you wish Majesty!! Its done Smile

Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: August 18 2015 at 16:13

O666 wrote:

Thanks Angelo. I really like to talk about music and opinions with you. I check your blog and honestly I like that. Beer

Guess what - some time in september I will post about the new Edison's Children album there :-)

Glad you like what I do there, now I know who the occasional visitor from Iran is!

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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: August 28 2015 at 14:38

Heard it. It may be a boundary case, but given the intention of the artists and the nature of the remixes I'd say it's not a Compilation.

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