I just listened to sebtp and foxtrot
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Topic: I just listened to sebtp and foxtrot
Posted By: Zooka_Jesus
Subject: I just listened to sebtp and foxtrot
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 10:50
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whats so amazing about these albums again? ------------- Gentle Gaint owns every prog band 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 10:54
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^ I don't know......you tell me! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: TURK182!
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 10:54
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You're kidding?????? There's not a lot of reson if you dont find them amazing: - You dont like prog - You've listen to them only one time or doing something else and dont concentrate yourself on the music. - You're earless
------------- "A Flower!!!" "If you go down to Willow farm, you look for Butterflies..." |
Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 10:56
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Nothing. They are worse than Linkin Park! ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 10:56
Pardon? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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TURK182! wrote:Posted By: Zooka_Jesus
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 10:57
i have listened to them like 3 times each and i do like prog ------------- Gentle Gaint owns every prog band
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Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:00
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Well, there's excellent musicianship and songwriting, the great concept. What prog do YOU like? -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:02
So your choosing the "earless" option then? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Zooka_Jesus
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:04
no, i am choosing the bang your mom option ------------- Gentle Gaint owns every prog band
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Posted By: Zooka_Jesus
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:06
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i like teh gentle gaint, Yes, king crimson, pain of salvation, rush,mars volta, flower kings, spocks beard, and teh ELP ------------- Gentle Gaint owns every prog band
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:07
My mother died many years ago! Its up to you of course, you sick pig! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:12
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Now tell us why you don't like the album. Tell something. You post a topic without any explanation whatsoever, you insult people for no reason and misspell "the" to look cool and fail. How do you expect gold in return if you offer dirt? -------------
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Posted By: The Minstrel
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:15
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What's so bad about these albums again? |
Posted By: Zooka_Jesus
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:31
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its peter gabrial makeing differnt voices and singing i can barely hear the music!i perfer music over vocals ------------- Gentle Gaint owns every prog band
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:31
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Posted By: Zooka_Jesus
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:32
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they are still good albums but i think they are way overrated ------------- Gentle Gaint owns every prog band
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Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:34
Lovely... ------------- "It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days." -Chris Squire |
Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:35
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Yay! More pointless arguing! It doesn't get any better. Yeah, by the way Zooka, that bang your mom thing... we don't do that here. We have shreds of decency. |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:36
Fair enough; perhaps you should review them, just make sure you explain what you don't - & do like about them. But first maybe give them another airing in say a week's time, just to make sure you still feel the same way. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:39
Give the lad a chance Yanns! He might learn the ropes and grow up a bit soon.  GG fans are always welcome IMO. |
Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:40
 Yes, I love GG. But, bang your mom and all that, that isn't allowed here.
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Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:40
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He's been here before too, he knew the ropes. He used to be Zooka23. Now he's Zooka_Jesus. He got banned as Zooka23. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:41
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Ah. |
Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:43
| Remember him now? |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:43
I do, yes. 
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:45
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Only in your eyes. I think Foxtrot and SEBTP are AWESOME! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:45
Each to their own of course, I'm not suggesting he has to like them, in fact I agree that to like Prog and genesis are not neccesary parings. Far from it in fact. After all, there are plenty thatdon't like ELP at all! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:46
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I love them both...Foxtrot of course better...
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Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:46
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Goody, so you understand where I'm coming from. |
Posted By: Zooka_Jesus
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:52
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zooka23..............i dont know what you are talking about......i hate that guy...uhhhhh i gotta go ------------- Gentle Gaint owns every prog band
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:55
 I definitely want you to stay now. Please don't cause problems for yourself, mate.  |
Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:56
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Yes, we aren't idiots. |
Posted By: Mnemosyne
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 11:56
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Trouserpress Wrote:
And yes, I do like prog as well. If anyone's thinking of suggesting otherwise because I too can't see the appeal of Genesis, then quite simply: f**k you.
@ Everyone else (specially Genesis fans): Sorry, but IT DOES sound uninspiring and dull ------------- I'm a Man-Owl-Fish. Creator-Observer-Muse. |
Posted By: Zooka_Jesus
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 12:06
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sorry bout the whole "bang your mom thing" i didnt take my pills today ------------- Gentle Gaint owns every prog band
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 12:12
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Thats alright Zooka, no problem. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: bumheed7
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 12:39
why do people say 'and i do like prog'. of course you do. thats sort of a given, it bein a prog site.
------------- Good Morning Carpark Fans 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 12:43
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This is a Prog Site?...............I'll get me coat... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 12:46
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Posted By: xhouse
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 12:50
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Not that any of you f**king children care, but this thread, excuse me,
rant has finally done it. some enter into these threads hoping for intelligent, insightful, open-minded discussions of a music genre they like. This sort of churlish crap is a useless waste of time. And the sad thing is, many of these supposed, and self-admitted music snobs pretend to hold themselves to a higher standard. You'd never know it by reading this childish crap. To the founders of this site, I'm sorry it has become such a cess-pool. You have the most noble expectations and intentions. ------------- Between Thought and Expression Lies True Perception |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 12:51
It wasn't when I registered...they've fooled me...  -------------
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 12:53
Come off it, just because something isn't to your taste doesn't mean it's dull!
There must be something to them since they're one of my favourite bands and "normal" symphonic prog is not something I'll give a second listen to generally! |
Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 12:57
Abacab was uninspiring and dull, but I can't name a single album while they had Gabriel that was dull or uninspiring, though I have been a Genesis fan for 11 years... ------------- "It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days." -Chris Squire |
Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 12:59
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Mnemosyne is fully right, except that you need to add the obligatory "to me" to his statement. Musical taste is something fully personal, and even in the specialized subgenre of progrock, there is (I think) no-one who loves all the recognised masterpieces. I love these Genesis albums (SEBTP is my absolute all-time favcourite CD in any pop/rock genre), but I fully understand that others will have a different opinion. Just like I don't see what's so special about ELP, King Crimson or Jethro Tull. ------------- Blog this: http://artrock2006.blogspot.com |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 13:09
BYEEE! |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 13:25
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Yeah the diagnose is that you're on the wrong site. |
Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 13:29
Oh I like GG too. Can I say anything I like now??? Lets be serius!! |
Posted By: Zooka_Jesus
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 13:35
i just wanted to say that the albums are a little overrated . You guys get angry to easilly------------- Gentle Gaint owns every prog band
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Posted By: Caravan
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 13:38
"Gentle Gaint teh pwns you n00bs" You related Gentle Giant, to 1337 chat. I hope you die, as you are not worthy to hear GG. And what, you probably only listened to them ONE time, man you don't deserve to hear this music. It takes time to get use to, and when it does its like YES HOT. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 13:40
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Of course. After all, this is a Progressive Music site... And Proggies are known to be a bit on the unstable side |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 13:41
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 13:41
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Here we go again! |
Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 13:56
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Avant-proggers? Is that a name of extreme superiour elitism? Anyway, to Hell with this thread, its creator and everyone who has responded. There is no value here at all. Ronnie is out of here! -------------
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Posted By: Zooka_Jesus
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 14:19
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i bet you are one those people who draw pictures of naked anime girls then pleasure your self to them then go on the internet and insult people who dont like the same exact music you like ------------- Gentle Gaint owns every prog band
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 14:20
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Hey man, I thought you would like Genesis though |
Posted By: Zooka_Jesus
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 14:21
i do like genesis i just think the are a little overrated thats all man. ------------- Gentle Gaint owns every prog band
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 14:24
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Its not overrated...The Gabriel part is awesome,the Collins is not...Overrated would be to say the whole Genesis is brilliant...
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 14:27
 Just wondering though... King Of Loss, do *you* have anything to do with this Zooka douche? You two seem quite familiar with one another. ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 14:38
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I don't even know him at all |
Posted By: Zooka_Jesus
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 14:44
"Zooka douche"hahahahahahaha look everyone i didnt make a post that talked about how great sebtp was so hes all mad now and yes king of loss is my twin brother and we were seperated at birth so he doesnt know about me ------------- Gentle Gaint owns every prog band
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Posted By: Retrovertigo
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 14:45
| I am on Zooka and Trouserpress' side here. Both of those albums to me are completely inconsistent and average. I know that Genesis is an influential and big name in prog, but it doesn't mean their music is brilliant. The only really good song they have to me is Firth of Fifth, that song is so cool compared to any other songs on both albums that it was probably an accident. Try to convince me that anything on these albums are amazing. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 14:48
You mean he's my white lost twin? |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 14:49
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GIGANTOUR YAYAYAYA IN JUST 2 HOURS
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 14:53
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Actually, I'm not that big of a Genesis fan... I love Firth of
Fifth and (TFK's cover of) Cinema Show from SEBTP, and Horizons from
Foxtrot, but other than that, it's merely good, not great to me.
------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 15:04
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THREAD OWN
------------- "It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days." -Chris Squire |
Posted By: Syntharachnid
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 15:22
Isn't that what you're doing though? ------------- 
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Posted By: Syntharachnid
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 15:23
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Just had to get my two bits in, now I'm leaving!!! -------------
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 15:54
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bah. So you don't like Genesis. You are free to that opiunion. But don't say they are overrated, they are just not to your tastes. Prog Fans (who are a selective and generally well listened bunch would not like them SO DAMN MUCH if they were just average). I am not a huge fan of Zappa, Dream Theater or The Flower Kings, but I don't go wound starting threads sayign they are overrated. Okay I'm ranting, I apologize. ------------- 
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 17:07
... *blinks* WELCOME TO PROGARCHIVES, FOLKS! |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 17:24
| G3N3515 0\/\/N2 T3H P|20G!!! |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 17:29
------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 17:44
| I tried to stop this early. And it grew and grew and grew. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 17:50
 I'VE CREATED A MONSTER!! |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 17:56
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You need to lisen to the albums more 3 times is not enough i think i lisend like 10 times on SEBTP befor i started to like it ------------- 
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Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 18:25
| This must be the only forum I use where people actually are mean to each other... |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 18:52
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Not mean exactly, more playful I'd say. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 19:01
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Yes indeed, we can be quite playful at times. |
Posted By: Zooka_Jesus
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 19:16
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snow dog ummmmmmmmmmmmm your sig says you are listening to the sex pistols...why ------------- Gentle Gaint owns every prog band
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 19:17
Because I'm listening to the Sex Pistols! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Fearless
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 19:24
Sounds like a hypocrite to me. ------------- If you don't stand up You don't stand a chance! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 19:25
Who me? Why? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Fearless
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 19:31
Not you, Zooka. ------------- If you don't stand up You don't stand a chance! |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 19:32
Because you're listening to the Sex Pistols, because you're listening to the Sex Pistols! The Sex Pistols are not that bad, people! people? People!
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 19:35
Oh... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 19:53
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Both SEBTP and Foxtrot (and Nursery Cryme for that matter) are 5* albums by a mile IMO. Look at the ratings! You may not like them (and you are fully entitled to your view, however wrong it may be) but you are very much in the minority. |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 20:28
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that's just your drop-like opinion in the sea of prog: it won't change the water level! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: illustrated
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 20:41
Shreds of deceny.. I like that. |
Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 20:42
Sorry I love the band, but gentle giants vocals arent stupid? news to me |
Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 20:48
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A lot of music has to do with opinion, and remember just becuase you dont like them doesnt make them any less appealing to other people. Personally other than hot rats, i think everything Frank Zappa has done is rubbish. But I dont go on every Frank Zappa thread saying. "Its not any good, prove to me that its good even though you cant becuase its opinion and ill just act like its terrible and there isnt ANYTHING you can do about it!" |
Posted By: Zooka_Jesus
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 21:50
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i look so good ------------- Gentle Gaint owns every prog band
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Posted By: bartok
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 00:04
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Battle of Epping Forest is awesome. |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 01:42
I've still never met a prog album that i've liked immediately. it takes a few listens to get into any [good] band [worth listening to]. give it a while. let the subtleties sink in. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 07:07
Wow... then you've been to some nice forums. My other main haunt is probably most notable for the frequency with which members will call one another c**ts. |
Posted By: Starette
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 07:09
For a friend of mine- hun..you dissappoint me. ------------- 50 tonne angel falls to the earth... |
Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 10:59
| Foxtrot took a bit for it to sink in for me, but it is a great album. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 11:21
Sorry lass, but a few times before now I've been accused not being "a true prog fan" because I dislike Genesis. That sort of thing's really rather frustrating and I've not time for it. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 12:02
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Some people just don't like Gabriel's voice, the same with Labrie's and Fish's voice, its all about taste.
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Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 12:17
I'm sure he's aware that it's his opinion, and I don't think he ever wanted it to "change the water level," so to speak. We all state our opinions on here all the time; that's the whole point of having a forum like this. Why does everyone seem so offended by Zooka doing the same? Just because his opinion is unpopular doesn't mean he meant to be hostile by posting it, nor does it mean that it's any less valid than any other opinion that's shared around here. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Ty1020/"> 
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Posted By: Chris Flynn
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 12:22
the best rock drumming ever, IMO... amazing poetic lyrics... wonderful
piano, best writing from Genesis on these 2 records... amazing
counterpoint, rhythm, melodies, 
and chance taking. Amazing album artwork... Next to Close
to the Edge, these are my favorite Symphonic Prog records.
------------- http://www.myspace.com/artinamerica - Myspace.com Artist Webpage |
Posted By: vogre
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 12:57
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Genesis >> all neo-prog copycats, IMO. Maybe I'm not a real avant-progger since i've enjoyed those albums approximately a month ago. And I am always reminded of avant when I'm listening to taht song Frith of Fifth. lol |
Posted By: OldFatherThames
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 20:30
Oh my god !!! Look at this guys Genesis are my favorite bands, and I love all their cd of the Gabriel era plus some of the Collins/Hackett era. I'm a musician, I listen to a lot of music, and sorry, but I found Genesis inspiring, intelligent, and very good musicianship. I don't care you don't like them, just don't think you are right for everyone telling that they are uninspiring. This is just a question of TASTE, not a hierachy where Avanat-Proggers are on the top ! Stupid........ |