Progressive Rap
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Topic: Progressive Rap
Posted By: A_Flower
Subject: Progressive Rap
Date Posted: June 27 2016 at 00:01
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I have a theory that at one point or another, prog has combined with about all the genres of music out there. But has it ever combined with a rap? ------------- User Banned for this Post |
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Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: June 27 2016 at 01:02
| I've never heard of anything I'd call progressive rap, but there is progressive music that has had rapping and hip-hop elements. I consider Faith No More to be progressive (In a general sense), and they have had elements of rap/hip hop in their sound (Most notably their hit "Epic"). |
Posted By: ALotOfBottle
Date Posted: June 27 2016 at 01:11
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I only know quality rap, which has elements of late-sixties psychedelic rock. ------------- Categories strain, crack and sometimes break, under their burden - step out of the space provided. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 27 2016 at 01:16
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Of course there's progressive rap, even Art rap, but it's not a blend of Prog rock and Hip hop. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 27 2016 at 01:40
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Check out Faust's collab with Dälek: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f3fRL5TZv4M ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: June 27 2016 at 01:40
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This could sound like this : https://www.discogs.com/Ryuichi-Sakamoto-Chasm/master/68233 |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: June 27 2016 at 04:40
| They are not prog rock but The Beastie Boys did mix rap with jazz, funk, fusion, rock, punk rock and other more influences, it is kind of a progressive thinking. |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: June 27 2016 at 07:38
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------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: WeepingElf
Date Posted: June 29 2016 at 15:35
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Well, rap is just a particular vocal technique, and there are examples of prog artists using it, sometimes to good effects, even if they are few and far between. Now, when it comes to hip-hop, that IMHO doesn't mix well with prog. ------------- ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf "What does Elvish rock music sound like?" - "Yes." |
Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: July 01 2016 at 17:19
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Death Grips? ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: July 01 2016 at 20:12
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Does this count ? : Hey, it has a flute and a nice blues-cum-funk bass figure on it. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: July 01 2016 at 20:33
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I'm a hip hop fan and i haven't yet heard any of it crossed with what we would call progressive rock. I think the reason this cross pollination hasn't happened yet is because hip hop is a lot like funk and it demands a steady meter rhythmic cadence march thing that doesn't allow for time sig changes and classical / jazz interventions. There is a crapload of really great artistically brilliant hip hop though but it is the one genre of music more than any other that stresses the poetic meaning of lyrics and storytelling over musical w**kery. However that Death Grips probably is the closest thing and if there has been some sort of underground prog vs hip hop thing, i'm all ears :) Prog has however been sampled quite a bit in hip hop. Here's a page that has a good list of who sampled who http://www.whosampled.com/song-tag/Progressive%20Rock/sampled/1/" rel="nofollow - http://www.whosampled.com/song-tag/Progressive%20Rock/sampled/1/ |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: July 01 2016 at 21:32
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Gong's title track of Shamal has some rapping going on in it. Other than that, God help us! ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: July 02 2016 at 11:31
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Is Gentile Giant a prog rap band? |
Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: July 02 2016 at 12:04
------------- http://theprogressiveweb.blogspot.de" rel="nofollow - Visit me in Second Life to talk about music. |
omphaloskepsis wrote:Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: July 02 2016 at 15:54
 I love that album.
 My definition of progressive rap.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-0ZomZHJvE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNaIOE1Hm8c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOzJNnvZdDY |
Posted By: Ozark Soundscape
Date Posted: July 02 2016 at 16:04
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Aside from the aforementioned Death Grips, this is all that comes to mind for me |
Posted By: A_Flower
Date Posted: July 02 2016 at 18:35
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This does sounds little like it is rap with prog. The thing is, I usually don't like listening to rap because it always sounds the same. I thought maybe the prog gods could have put a spell on it to make it more interesting, but it doesn't really sound any different ------------- User Banned for this Post |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: July 02 2016 at 18:52
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Proggers doing 'rap' ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 02 2016 at 20:01
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The original proto-prog rap song: ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Ozark Soundscape
Date Posted: July 02 2016 at 20:39
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Posted By: DeadSouls
Date Posted: July 02 2016 at 20:46
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This is actually 'Progressive Rap' (I'm not joking): "Cómo Asesinar a Felipes" or just "C.A.F." is a Chilean Progressive Rap band.  |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: July 02 2016 at 21:22
Or he's talking about modern rap, which most does sound the same. The good old classic rap had a lot more variety.
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Posted By: A_Flower
Date Posted: July 02 2016 at 22:30
I think all of those are accurate. Most rap I've heard is modern, so I don't really like that and I completely believe that older rap is better than new rap, but I don't really care for it in the first place. Prog beats rap 5 trillion to 1. ------------- User Banned for this Post |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: July 02 2016 at 22:37
Not even scratching the surface. The sub-genres of trap and cloud rap can tend to get same-y but there are still outliers. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music 
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Posted By: stegor
Date Posted: July 02 2016 at 22:41
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Jumbo shrimp |
Posted By: Ozark Soundscape
Date Posted: July 02 2016 at 23:38
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What Poly said In fact I'd bet there's much more diversity in rapping these days than 20~ years ago because of the increased variety of subgenres and styles that have emerged since then and abundance of different artists releasing stuff on the internet. |
Posted By: terramystic
Date Posted: July 06 2016 at 05:45
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Progressive rap existed before prog: Arnold Schönberg - Pierrot Lunaire :) |
Posted By: PhideauxFan
Date Posted: July 06 2016 at 06:56
 The long track Compression by Moongarden: It begins like a neo-progressive rock song, then it becomes a rap/techno/rock thing, and it ends with a King Crimson riff. Wonderful !!! http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=23648 |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: July 06 2016 at 08:46
you never heard anything like this!!!!!!!!    |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: July 07 2016 at 01:07
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French rap is often intelligent and sometimes even slightly proggy Grand Corps Malade (he's for life on crutches) is one of most striking example |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: July 07 2016 at 01:18
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Another French rap band, called Manau (these guys went #1)... This is more axed towards kids, but some of it was really positive |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: July 07 2016 at 01:25
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More Manau |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: July 07 2016 at 01:58
Really Sean !? 
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: July 07 2016 at 03:10
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An early prog related number with a rap, Led Zeppelin: Misty Mountain Hop. |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: July 07 2016 at 16:04
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: July 08 2016 at 03:54
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I tend to see rap as "entertainment" and not "music". That's because I'm a musician. I don't hear any musical worth in it at all. Of course, this is just personal opinion, yours may vary. ------------- |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: July 08 2016 at 07:46
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kxuAZictJ4 |
Posted By: WeepingElf
Date Posted: July 08 2016 at 11:53
As I have said before, rapping is just a particular vocal technique which IMHO has legitimate uses even in prog. Yet, some rappers rap just because they can't sing in tune, and most hip-hop is of little musical value. ------------- ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf "What does Elvish rock music sound like?" - "Yes." |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: July 08 2016 at 12:36
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Not proggish, but perhaps of interest, is Steve Lehman's new project combining avant jazz with hip hop: http://stevelehman.bandcamp.com/track/are-you-in-peace" rel="nofollow - http://stevelehman.bandcamp.com/track/are-you-in-peace" rel="nofollow - https://stevelehman.bandcamp.com/track/are-you-in-peace It's not going to replace his Octet in my affections any time soon, but worth a listen.
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: July 08 2016 at 15:36
Like any musical genre there is good and there is bad. Sadly most rap (since Biggie) is garbage.
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: July 08 2016 at 15:53
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I don't even get the "most rap" argument, particularly since it tends to come from people who have heard a minimal amount. There's some bad stuff for sure, but there's a lot of good stuff even now. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music
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Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: July 08 2016 at 23:45
I think it's because rap has been given a bad name with the junk that's played on the radio, including stuff like Pitbull and Chris Brown which is classified as "rap" even though it has nothing to do with rap. You also have people like Kanye West, Lil' Wayne, and others with inflated egos tarnishing it's name. I don't doubt that there is good rap music these days, I'm just more of an old school rap fan. The least old rap I listen to is probably OutKast.
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Posted By: FuntimeBombsquad
Date Posted: July 09 2016 at 01:47
| Seven months after starting the Celebrated Torture, Vince and I finally put the finishing touches on it tonight. http://https://soundcloud.com/realbombsquad/sets/the-celebrated-torture" rel="nofollow - http://https://soundcloud.com/realbombsquad/sets/the-celebrated-torture More videos coming soon, but you can catch all the current ones on the Vince Bender youtube. |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: July 09 2016 at 01:54
 The Sgt Pepper's of rap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8sQV_IpfsE
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Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: July 09 2016 at 03:29
Yes, but that doesn't address the statement that rap is "not music". There is a distinction between "entertainment" and "music" - well, I think so anyway. After playing several instruments for 40 years. ;-) Elsewhere in this thread, Subterranean Homesick Blues gets labelled as "rap". Monstrous. ;-) ------------- |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: July 09 2016 at 07:19
 
I tend to agree with you, but maybe not with "a lot of good stuff"... Rap fits most of the bad clichés it portrays, and the good stuff is the exception that confirms the rule |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: July 09 2016 at 12:46
Sorry Sean, but the association of the word Intelligent with the name Grand corps malade made me jump up. His music to my ears is as good as the music of a soap opera and the lyrics are terrible : preachy, right thinking, the poetry of a five-year-old child. Recently a french comic dared to criticize the slammer. He's gone to his place and smashed his face. You see, without talent and intolerant. French lyrics are so beautiful and profound. You have no idea. Many lyrics of French songs can be read as poetry, without music. It is not the case of big sick body. 
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 09 2016 at 12:58
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 09 2016 at 18:51
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^ fun clip-- I saw that tour in, err, probably gonna be '92 ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: July 12 2016 at 15:49
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Nice to see King Kendrick has been mentioned. Also some rappers sample some prog here and there, check last posts here: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=101988&PID=5302773" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=101988&PID=5302773 |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: July 12 2016 at 16:04
Check out this thread: http://www.progressiveears.org/forum/showthread.php/8679-Ha!-Rap-coming-from-car-next-to-mine-Annie-Haslam-singing!?highlight=rap+haslam" rel="nofollow - http://www.progressiveears.org/forum/showthread.php/8679-Ha!-Rap-coming-from-car-next-to-mine-Annie-Haslam-singing!?highlight=rap+haslam ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: July 14 2016 at 15:08
But there isn't really any authority on this question that comes with being a musician. Pretty clearly there are other musicians who would disagree, including some with unimpeachable credentials. |
Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: July 14 2016 at 17:03
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A lot of Alternative Rap is Progressive, haven't heard any rap artist that I would call truly Prog. Clouddead are probably closest from what I've heard. ------------- 
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: July 14 2016 at 21:59
Anyway, I couldn't quantify whether there was more or less good rap than other genres, but it seems I hear and hear about cool and interesting hip-hop albums just as much as I do rock albums these days. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music
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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: July 15 2016 at 19:06
Flying Lotus - Never Catch Me ft. Kendrick Lamar |
Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: July 15 2016 at 19:31
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^ Aww yeah Fly Lo! And since I'm here, I might as well get around to posting an experimental hip hop classic, Dalek's debut Negro Necro Nekros. Industrial hop featuring two >10 minute tracks, and samples of sitar, Holst, and "Blue In Green". Sheer brilliance, you'll never look at hip hop the same way ever again after listening to this one. -------------  
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Posted By: StrUktO
Date Posted: September 22 2016 at 13:21
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Hello dear members of the progarchives forum. I have been following this discussion with interest, it wasn't the right moment for me to respond to it though, yet.. with certain pride I can safely say that this hybrid of styles is very much possible, simply because in my opinion rapping is just another way of using your voice. I say pride, because me and my fellow musician are soon releasing the first rap/progressive rock record ever to our knowledge. it is a 77 minute science fiction concept album with even an epic spread out over 4 tracks, it is also accompanied by a boardgame. there may still be tresholds despite the chosen style (which is a matter of taste, nothing more or less), for example we are dutch and our album is in that language as well. that all said, the album has not been released yet, that is being worked on ;). there are however already 3 tracks available for listening on our website and soundcloud. http://www.schrootoorlog.nl" rel="nofollow - http://www.schrootoorlog.nl the website is bilingual, you can switch to english if prefered http://www.soundcloud.com/ontrktdeevolgen" rel="nofollow - http://www.soundcloud.com/ontrktdeevolgen please feel free to drop by, listen and read. we are very curious to hear your opinions, because I for one love progressive rock and the directions it may take! [edit:] I got a bit of a scare today as I found out that the mobile version of our website was a complete mess after the bilingual update, it's fixed now. sincere apologies to those trying to reach it using a mobile device. -------------  www.schrootoorlog.nl" rel="nofollow - www.schrootoorlog.nl |
Posted By: StrUktO
Date Posted: October 09 2016 at 12:27
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it turns out we weren't the first at all! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBIC8LV5tZo" rel="nofollow - making the point clear that rap and progressive rock are in fact a very logical combination, to anyone with an open mind that is again, any musical style can succesfully be fused with any other, the appreciation of it is a matter of taste ------------- www.schrootoorlog.nl" rel="nofollow - www.schrootoorlog.nl |
Posted By: Kespuzzuo
Date Posted: October 16 2016 at 20:59
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This Clipping song changes the time signature several times Clipping also released a concept album this year called Splendor & Misery  This Captain Murphy song is in 5/4 I recommend trying the experimental hip hop subgenre, that's the closest thing to progressive hip hop. |