Rank the tracks from Selling England by the Pound
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Topic: Rank the tracks from Selling England by the Pound
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Subject: Rank the tracks from Selling England by the Pound
Date Posted: March 25 2017 at 13:44
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How would you rank the tracks on "Selling England by the Pound" by Genesis. Here's my order: 1. Firth of Fifth 2. Cinema Show/ Aisle of Plenty (I consider them one track) 3. Dancing with the Moonlit Knight 4. After the Ordeal 5. I Know What I Like (In your wardrobe) 6. The Battle of Epping Forest 7. More Fool Me
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Posted By: Magnum Vaeltaja
Date Posted: March 25 2017 at 14:21
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1, 2, and 3 switch around every now and again, but 9 times out of 10 I think I'd put them in this order: 2. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight 3. Firth of Fifth 4. After The Ordeal 5. More Fool Me 6. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) 7. The Battle of Epping Forest (Possibly the worst Genesis song, period) 1-5 are all good or great songs, the last two not so much. ------------- when i was a kid a doller was worth ten dollers - now a doller couldnt even buy you fifty cents |
Posted By: mechanicalflattery
Date Posted: March 25 2017 at 14:31
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Firth of Fifth The Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty Dancing With The Moonlit Knight After The Ordeal I Know What I Like The Battle of Epping Forest More Fool Me The top three are untouchable, the next two are great, Battle is decent, More Fool Me is tolerable Edit: Just realized I have the exact same listing as the OP. Not bad...
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Posted By: DeadSouls
Date Posted: March 25 2017 at 14:47
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Firth of Fifth Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty Dancing with the Moonlit Knight Battle of Epping Forest After the Ordeal I Know What I Like More Fool Me
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: March 25 2017 at 15:11
| I had to think about it a bit if I was going to put "dancing" above "after the ordeal" but ultimately I decided to. "After the ordeal" is one of the best prog instrumentals imo though. I also had to think for a second if I was going to put "battle" ahead of "more fool me" since both are at the bottom of the barrel for me. At least "battle" has a lot going on and goes by fast even though I don't like it nearly as much as some of the others. "More fool me" is pleasant enough I suppose but it's hard to view it as anything other than filler. "I know what I like" I actually like a lot because it's catchy but it's admittedly a prog pop song(maybe one of their very first). |
Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: March 25 2017 at 15:49
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Dancing with the Moonlit Knight Firth of Fifth The Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty After the Ordeal Battle of Epping Forest More Fool Me I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) -------------  
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: March 25 2017 at 16:55
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1. The Cinema Show ------------- |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 25 2017 at 17:00
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Dancing with the Moonlit Knight Battle of Epping Forest After the Ordeal Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty Firth of Fifth I Know What I Like More Fool Me
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: March 25 2017 at 17:51
My choice exactly. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
mechanicalflattery wrote:Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: March 25 2017 at 18:28
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Dancing Firth Cinema Ordeal Know Aisle Battle I've erased Bore Cool Pee from my memory...it doesn't exist. ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: mechanicalflattery
Date Posted: March 25 2017 at 18:29
This is the only time the two of us will ever agree on anything. Let us treasure this sacred moment in time, ever so profound in its transience and fragility. Tomorrow, you'll return to trashing Peter Hammill, and I'll be inquiring about getting neo-prog removed from the site, but for a brief, flickering moment, against all odds and adversity, we stood as one. This must be how those WW1 soldiers felt during the Christmas Truce.
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Posted By: antoniofontana
Date Posted: March 26 2017 at 16:21
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not my favorite genesis album, that title goes to foxtrot. still an amazing, 5-star effort 1. dancing with the moonlit knight 2. firth of fifth 3. after the ordeal 4. the cinema show/aisle of plenty 5. the battle of epping forest 6. more fool me 7. I know what I like
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 26 2017 at 16:43
yeah.. that about about sums it up... 5 star album? my ass .not with 3 easy 1 star clunkers on it. Fanboys... you all need to get out more. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: March 26 2017 at 16:51
So what is your favorite Genesis album? I actually don't like it as much as I used to. At one point it was my favorite but now that title would go to ATOTT.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 26 2017 at 16:56
Duke  Great songs from start to finish.. I don't give a sh*t if they are prog or not. I love music. Simple as that. And that something earlier Genesis failed at IMO. Great songs.. and they had some...mixed with absolute crap which they had plenty of... |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: March 26 2017 at 19:41
| I won't say I like the 80's Genesis as much as the 70's but I will say that I probably like it more than most prog fans seem to. I think part of it is I grew up as a teen in the eighties and that was my first exposure to them(not the seventies stuff). However, after I started going backwards in the Yes discography I soon did the same thing with Genesis and that's ultimately how I became a prog fan. |
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: March 26 2017 at 22:02
------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 27 2017 at 02:15
Precisely this ranking for me too! ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 27 2017 at 02:42
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1. The Cinema Show / Aisle of Plenty 2. Firth of Fifth 3. Dancing with the Moonlit Knight 4. The Battle of Epping Forest 5. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) 6. After the Ordeal 7. More Fool Me ------------- 
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: March 27 2017 at 19:28
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1 Dancing wit the Moonlit Knight 2 Cinema Show/ Aisle of Plenty 3 Firth of Fifth 4 Epping Forest 5 I Know What I Like 6 After the Ordeal 7 More Fool Me |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: March 28 2017 at 13:26
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1. Firth of Fifth 2. Dancing with the Moonlit Knight 3. The Battle of Epping Forest 4. Cinema Show/ Aisle of Plenty 5. After the Ordeal 6. I Know What I Like (In your wardrobe) 7. More Fool Me  ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: March 28 2017 at 15:07
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I haven't listed to this album in so long. It's probably my favourite from Genesis. I don't think anyone has put out precisely this order the ones I like 1. Dancing with the the Moonlit Knight 2. Cinema Show 3. First of Fifth 4. After the Ordeal 5. I know what I like the ones I don't like 6. More Fool Me 7. The Battle of Epping Forest
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Posted By: rock96
Date Posted: May 21 2017 at 22:13
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1. Firth of Fifth (mostly for the solo gives it the edge over #2) 2. Dancing With the Moonlit Knight 3. The Cinema Show/Aisle of plenty 4. After the Ordeal 5. The Battle of Epping Forest 6. I Know What I Like 7. More Fool Me (But i still like it)
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 21 2017 at 23:20
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1) Firth Of Fifth 2) Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty 3) Dancing With The Moonlit Knight 4) Battle of Epping Forest 5) After the Ordeal 6) I Know What I Like (In your Wardrobe) 7) More Fool Me......... ........and I like More Fool Me a lot !! |
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: May 21 2017 at 23:22
This post pretty much mirrors my own choices and I fully concur that The Battle of Epping Forest is one of the worst Gabriel-era pieces. Not only does Gabriel not shut up, but there’s no kind of interesting instrumental sections, which is strange given the strength of the rest of the album. ------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: May 22 2017 at 21:20
| Firth of Fifth. |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: May 22 2017 at 22:23
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1. After the Ordeal 2. Dancing With the Moonlight Knight 3. Cinema Show 4. Battle of Epping Forest 5. Firth of Fifth 6. More Fool Me 7. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: May 24 2017 at 05:24
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1. Firth of Fifth 2. The Cinema Show / Aisle of Plenty3. Dancing with the Moonlit Knight 4. The Battle of Epping Forest 5. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) 6. After the Ordeal 7. More Fool Me (the really poor track on this album, absolute garbage) The Battle of Epping Forest is possibly one of progs most underrated tracks, absolutely brilliant lyrics with some of the best word-plays ever heard on vinyl - and I think that the music is excellent and quirky (probably why its underrated) - this track should have been extended out to suppers ready length - what a treat that would have been! ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: May 24 2017 at 06:07
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I will not rank them, but I will tell my nickname for "More Fool Me": "Awful Me". -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: May 24 2017 at 07:45
I don’t think The Battle of Epping Forest is underrated at all. If anything, it’s overrated, because, IMHO, it has nothing going for it. Gabriel never shuts up. The musical material doesn’t sustain it’s length at all. This could have been a 4-5 minute piece, but they stretched it out so much that it becomes tedious to listen to.
------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: May 24 2017 at 08:57
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I won't say that More Fool Me is "awful." It does sound like it could have been a bonus track on Flaming Youth's Ark 2. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 24 2017 at 09:44
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1) More Fool Me 2) Cinema Show~Aisle of Plenty 3) Firth Of Fifth 4) Dancing With The Moonlit Knight 5) Battle of Epping Forest 6) I Know What I Like (In your Wardrobe) 7) After the Ordeal -------------   
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: May 26 2017 at 05:24
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"More Fool Me" was- phil again lamenting on his abject failure with the ladies, since his wives seemed like they preferred painters & decorators , he clearly wasn't as good at shagging as he was drumming!!! Or maybe he used to sing at them perhaps?
Catcher 10 - You CANNOT seriously rate MFM as the best track - that has got to be a piss-take, right? ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: May 26 2017 at 09:37
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^More Fool Me came out two years before he married his first wife, the only one of three to whom an affair with a painter/decorator was credited. And how can someone who drums like that have bad rhythm in the sack? ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: May 26 2017 at 19:21
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I was bothered more by Catcher 10 rating After the Ordeal last. That's the best track for my money. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 26 2017 at 20:15
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1. The Cinema Show 2. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight 3. Firth Of Firth 4. I Know What I Like... 5. Aisle Of Plenty 6. After The Ordeal 7. More Fool Me 8. The Battle Of Epping Forest ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: June 02 2017 at 10:47
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"They called me the Reverend when I entered the church unstained....My employers have changed but the name has remained...." I think that non-brits just don't get the England gangland vibe and the way that Gabriel's poetry paints a picture that takes me right back to 1973....if you weren't there then that would be hard!
------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: June 02 2017 at 12:39
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^"We guard your souls for peanuts, And we guard your shops and houses For just a little more." along with "In with a left hook is the Bethnal Green Butcher, But he's countered on the right by Mick's chain-gang fight," pretty much spelled it out that 'Epping Forest concerned itself with gang territorialism, clashes, and some reference to the Teddy Boy Wars. No opaque view here by this Yank. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: June 02 2017 at 13:15
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I love Epping Forest, but I understand why it's so controversial. I think the main issue is that it's an 11 minute epic that's almost 100% vocal driven, in a genre where fans often seem to rarely care for vocals, and indeed sometimes see them only as a (un)necessary evil between the parts of the song that are actually good. I also think that it's a bit stagnant. Get Em Out By Friday was vocal-driven, but seems to have a lot more variation and things going on, despite being significantly shorter. It's got different themes and melodies for each character, and general shifts in tone. Epping, by contrast, has only a handful of melodies that get repeated over and over. Really the bit with the Reverend is the only diversity the song has outside of the intro. I still love the song because I think it's a great tour de force from Gabriel, with all sorts of wordplay and skillfully bringing a whole bunch of characters to life. But I think it suffers from being maybe a good three or four minutes too long, and starts to wear out its welcome towards the end. I'd give it a 4/5, but I can also see why people would give it a 1/5.
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Posted By: **xyzzy**
Date Posted: June 07 2017 at 17:46
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1. Dancing With the Moonlit Knight 2. Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty 3. Firth of Fifth 4. I Know What I Like 5. Battle of Epping Forest 6. After the Ordeal 7. More Fool Me |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 07 2017 at 22:22
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1.- Firth of Fifth 2.- Cinema Show/Aisle 3.- Dancing 4.- Battle 5.- After the Ordeal 6.- IKWIL 7.- MFM ------------- 
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: June 08 2017 at 05:08
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I think that "The Battle of Epping Forest" is seen unfavourably because it is on the same vinyl as three of the finest symphonic progressive rock tracks EVER written. I just wish that Genesis could have recorded it as a double album and extended the hell out of it..... Imagine Side A. Dancing out with a Moonlit Knight (18:22) I Know what I like in your Wardrobe (6:02) More Fool Me (2:38) Side B. Firth of Fifth (24:33) Side C. Battle of Epping Forest (22:19) After The Ordeal (2:07) Side D. Cinema Show (25:00) Aisle of Plenty (2:18) Discuss..... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 08 2017 at 05:28
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Moonlit Epping Ordeal Cinema Fifth Werdrobe Fool Yeah, I'm kind of sick of Fifth - heard it too much |
Posted By: Blaqua
Date Posted: June 22 2017 at 17:04
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1. Firth of Fifth 2. Cinema Show/
Aisle of Plenty 3. After the
Ordeal 4. The Battle of
Epping Forest 5. Dancing with
the Moonlit Knight 6. I Know What I
Like (In your wardrobe) 7. More Fool Me |
Posted By: ForestFriend
Date Posted: June 22 2017 at 19:48
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1. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight 2. Firth of Fifth 3. I Know What I Like 4. Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty 5. The Battle Of Epping Forest 6. More Fool Me 7. After The Ordeal |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: June 23 2017 at 07:08
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1. The Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty 2. Firth of Fifth 3. Dancing with the Moonlit Knight 4. After the Ordeal 5. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) 6. The Battle of Epping Forest 7. More Fool Me ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: June 23 2017 at 17:27
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The Battle of Epping Forest-several cool melodies and a bit fun 8.5/10 The Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty-pretty good apart from a couple of cringeworthy lyrics 8/10 Dancing With The Moonlit Knight-boring start but fairly good after 7.5/10 Firth of Fifth-good but depressing 7/10 I Know What I Like-not bad 7/10 After The Ordeal-not bad 7/10 More Fool Me-crap 5/10 Good album. Almost an 8/10 Better than Nursery for sure
------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Scorpius
Date Posted: June 26 2017 at 01:01
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1. Firth of Fifth 2.Dancing With the Moonlit Night 3. Cinema Show 4. After the Ordeal 5. I Know What I Like (In your wardrobe) 6. Aisle of Plenty (yes i meant to put this above epping forest) 7. The Battle of Epping Forest 8. More Fool Me ------------- The most dangerous man in America. |
Posted By: Scorpius
Date Posted: June 26 2017 at 01:06
This is honestly a genius idea, I think it could work very well. As for not liking Epping Forest, I personally don't blame the quality of the other tracks as its downfall. I think from a musical point of view, Gabriel sings waaaaaay too much and gives the instruments no time to breathe and really experiment with the song. The only part I like from Epping is the epic army drum section. ------------- The most dangerous man in America. |