"Prog-Punk"
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Topic: "Prog-Punk"
Posted By: floyd4
Subject: "Prog-Punk"
Date Posted: April 01 2017 at 11:09
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Apologies for that odd glitch, I originally wanted to talk about a genre that is kind of an oxymoron. "Prog-punk" doesn't really make sense. Prog is complex whilst punk is stripped down to the basics of music. However, I have seen complexity with hardcore punk, especially with Bad Brains. I have also seen complexity with lyricism with "lexicon punk" bands (e.g. Bad Religion). Discuss.
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: April 01 2017 at 11:24
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I have always felt that The Stranglers combined elements of punk rock with progressive elements. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: April 01 2017 at 12:36
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I just linked to like 38 f**king threads talking about 'prog punk'....and then robots. I give up. ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: April 01 2017 at 13:23
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There's been more than you might think....Bob Fripp's "Exposure" LP and his "League of Gentlemen" project explored the energy of punk in a prog framework. I saw League of Gentlemen live, Bob even asked for room for dancing on the main floor! I was transfixed by his blazing lead guitar playing over rather basic keyboard/bass/drums backing, it was really interesting! Sara Lee (bassist for League of Gentlemen) is an unsung legend of bass, she is great! She came from the post-punk band Gang of Four, and really brought a spark onstage. King Crimson would have been "interesting" if she had joined them. Old prog warhorses like Yes and ELP didn't seem to want to go near the prog-punk formula as far as I could tell. |
Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: April 01 2017 at 13:25
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Cardiacs ------------- Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV. https://www.soundcloud.com/user-322914325 |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 01 2017 at 14:35
Yup. A quick search will yield the first 35+ threads on this particular subject - many of them rather new. I say what I always say in these threads: Here & Now's debut. Perfect mix of both worlds. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
zravkapt wrote:Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 01 2017 at 14:45
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^ But which debut, Dave? Bristol Gardens, Planet Gong Live, Give & Take ? Do they even have a normal debut? ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 01 2017 at 15:19
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Hah you got me there Pear! I was thinking of Give & Take (which is an absolute gem of an album btw) but Floating Anarchy as Daevid Allen's backing band is equally punk-proggy I guess. Another route would be to look at this from punk instead prog ie punk bands that incorporated prog or art rock qualities into the lif. Acts like Magazine, Wire, Pere Ubu, Chrome, PiL, The Fall and Glenn Branca to name a few. People tend to forget that progressive music exists in just about every style out there...without being prague. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 01 2017 at 17:32
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^ Good point. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: April 01 2017 at 17:56
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Killing Joke ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 01 2017 at 18:37
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ELP and the Allman Bros. ------------- What? |
Posted By: beeebon
Date Posted: April 02 2017 at 01:00
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Peter Hammill - Nadir's Big Chance |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 02 2017 at 01:10
Certain Hawkwind, Pink Fairies (maybe ?), Here And Now, and Inner City Unit. These all have their Punk cranked up amongst all the Prog 
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 02 2017 at 01:15
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i love killing joke -------------  
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: April 02 2017 at 03:08
------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: mechanicalflattery
Date Posted: April 02 2017 at 07:08
| Would there be any discernible difference between prog-punk and post-punk? |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: April 02 2017 at 08:09
Most definitely Inner City Unit. Oh, and by the way: "Oxymoron" does not mean "contradiction in terms", as many people seem to believe. To become an oxymoron a contradiction in terms must constitute a new kind of meaning in itself. Good examples are "bittersweet", "deafening silence" or "love hate". -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: April 02 2017 at 13:54
That's all the prog-punk you'll ever need. Two Bites of Cherry demonstrates the Punk-feel quite well. I don't like punk much, but Cardiacs is truly all you'd ever need. Circus/punk/pop/psych is slightly rewarding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS84LncECBU&t=1042s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS84LncECBU&t=1042s
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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: April 03 2017 at 05:18
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Three early Simple Minds' albums: Empires and Dance, Sons and Fascination, Sisters Feeling Calls. The last Skids album "Joy" which in my opinion is Prog-folk/punk Tin Drum by Japan The Cure...throughout their early to mid-eighties albums e.g. Faith, Pornography, Head on The Door, Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me. Some of Magazine's stuff e.g from The Correct Use of Soap. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 03 2017 at 05:28
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Hawkwind, Killing Joke, Cardiacs and to some degree maybe Siouxsie and the banshees. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: mlkpad14
Date Posted: April 03 2017 at 05:52
Oceansize is post-punk, but falls way under my prog spectrum. ------------- https://gamecrazyprofessional.weebly.com/ |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 03 2017 at 07:03
Nahh I think you've got the stickers mixed up there. Oceansize are as post-punk as Dolly Parton is reggae More like slightly psychedelic post-rock.I don't consider them progressive either - nowhere near the experimental punch of this outfit: One is (modern) prawk one is post-punk. Funny thing is it's the latter I'd consider the most progressive of the two. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: April 03 2017 at 08:25
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If you listen to this full album of Rhythm Pigs you will find lots of progressive influences. This early Iron Maiden type punk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlH8aDCtt4w ------------- I'm guitarist and songwriter for the prog-related band Mother Bass. Find us at http://www.motherbass.com. I also enter stages throughout the Netherlands performing my poetry. |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: April 03 2017 at 09:11
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Bill Nelson's Sound On Sound (Red Noise), or am I just fishing? ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: April 03 2017 at 10:50
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My band's 5th album is a prog punk-ish type album. Mellotron, lots of keys, aggressive and raw. You should really look into John Zorn's Naked City. If you're willing to dig into modern progressive post-hardcore, there are TONS of bands like this. The Mars Volta's Tremulant EP and Deloused in the Comatorium truly fit this well. I could honestly list a couple dozen bands that touch closer to this realm, especially if you're willing to include prog emo/screamo. But all this could also depend on how "strict" your definition of punk is. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 03 2017 at 13:04
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somewhere between prog and punk lie post-hardcore (the real one, from the 90s) and mathcore, and you're gonna love 'em: CRASS were UK's Anarcho-Punks who released this little thingy 34 years ago: and you might like THIS HEAT then too, etc |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 03 2017 at 13:07
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^ Good call on the mathcore, don't know why I didn't think of it -- ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: April 04 2017 at 04:56
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This. |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: April 04 2017 at 08:14
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Like this one from NoMeansNo very much |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: April 04 2017 at 08:30
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Gospel- the Moon is a Dead World - I definitely second that record. Also, I have some friends in a band called Abertooth Lincoln that mix hardcore punk with prog and they do it very well. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: altaeria
Date Posted: April 04 2017 at 09:14
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In my opinion, THIS is the perfect combination of Punk and (classic) Prog -- and it's by a renowned Metal (!) band. So go figure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LDmEVtGF0g" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LDmEVtGF0g  |
Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: April 04 2017 at 09:53
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Locust ------------- https://twitter.com/ProgFollower" rel="nofollow - @ProgFollower on Twitter. Tweet me muzak. |
Posted By: Thandrus
Date Posted: April 04 2017 at 16:12
| If one sees a certain complexity as sine qua non for prog and not being stripped down but being angry and aggressive as sine qua non for punk rock, I can't see any reason why they can't be combined. |
Posted By: Prog-Brazil
Date Posted: April 06 2017 at 14:39
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Mars Volta? ------------- Let the sunshine in |
Posted By: Necroheadbanger
Date Posted: April 13 2017 at 01:16
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The Display Team And maybe Propaghandi, I didn't heared too much from that band tho. Also, Prog-Punk is basically a weird genre, since punk is supposed to be a simple genre with generic chord progressions like E5 C5 G5 D5 (I used to play in a punk band and that was one of our chord progressions, 2000 punk bands already used that chord progression...) and little to no variation in the music, just simplistic and kind of raw music. It's kind of confusing. But some genres born from punk (like Post-Hardcore, Mathcore, Screamo or Metalcore) can be very progressive, with bands like The Fall of Troy, After the Burial or The Dillinger Escape Plan, but those are in the borderline with metal. Basically you can't make progressive punk, period. |
Posted By: Bloopy
Date Posted: April 13 2017 at 12:05
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mr sterile Assembly, quite similar to NoMeansNo: |