"prog is just songs all about wizards and goblins"
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Topic: "prog is just songs all about wizards and goblins"
Posted By: dazzammm2
Subject: "prog is just songs all about wizards and goblins"
Date Posted: April 06 2017 at 15:11
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If prog IS just songs about goblins and wizards and pixies what are best examples of this? ive listened to alot of prog and have not heard too many songs about the aforementioned groups of people
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 06 2017 at 15:12
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u got it wrong man.......prog is about sex, drugs and rock n roll!! -------------   
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: April 06 2017 at 15:32
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I think there was more goblins and wizards in 1980s 'heavy metal' than there ever were in 1970s 'prog'. ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: doompaul
Date Posted: April 06 2017 at 16:05
| Listen to more Comus |
Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: April 06 2017 at 17:33
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I thought 80s metal and power metal was about pixies and goblins??? I'm confused ------------- Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV. https://www.soundcloud.com/user-322914325 |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: April 06 2017 at 18:08
The closest definition I've heard about prog.
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Catcher10 wrote:Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: April 06 2017 at 18:08
Uriah Heep |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 06 2017 at 21:15
Exactly what I think whenever I hear about prog dealing with such matters. It really isn't an important topic on prog's lyrics. Some that come to mind are Rick Wakeman's "Myths and Legends of King Arthur", some few songs from early King Crimson (The Court of the Crimson King, Lizard, Formentera Lady), and perhaps a bit more songs from Genesis. Oh yeah, Renaissance with Scheherazade. I think there's more of this topics on hard rock, though. If you want to have all the fantasy you can get, then you should check out the matal band "Rhapsody of Fire"... that one is exclusively fantasy lyrics (I think some might call them prog metal, but though they may have some elements of such, I wouldn't really call them so). |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: April 06 2017 at 21:20
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The Pixies are terrible and not one bit prog. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: April 06 2017 at 21:37
No prog IS sex...with added drugs and perhaps a little rockn'roll  ------------- Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV. https://www.soundcloud.com/user-322914325 |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: April 06 2017 at 21:57
Genesis, Jade Warrior and Hawkwind have some fantasy elements. Not as much one might think. The fantasy elements when present are seldom the conventional goblins, pixies and wizards that are often mentioned. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: April 06 2017 at 23:21
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Oh, GOOD examples of pixies/wizards!! Hmm.. A recent one I got has a fantasy-feel: Symphonic Pictures from SFF |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 06 2017 at 23:47
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He was the wizard of a thousand kings-ings-ings And I chanced to meet him one night wandering-ing-ing He told me tales, and he drank my wine-ine-ine-ine Me and my magic man kinda feelin' fine-ine-ine-ine ------------- What? |
Posted By: 2dogs
Date Posted: April 06 2017 at 23:49
Good to see Tyrannosaurus Rex are in the artist pages  .------------- "There is nothing new except what has been forgotten" - Marie Antoinette |
Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: April 06 2017 at 23:52
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Ragnarok from 1976 has a very fairy-tale feel. No goblins or pixies.. One of my friends from long ago said the same thing: "Progressive music is all about fantasy and pixies." Then he later heard OaeoZ in my truck and was impressed with that.. With how "sinister it sounds." I think it's easier to categorize something if you don't know what it is.
It does bother me, the general opinion of Prog. But it's a strange misconception to think that it's about 'pixies' and 'lollypops' |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: April 07 2017 at 05:00
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I think it's Heep with the Wizards, Rainbow and Dio with Dragons and elves. Prog rock is about people lyrically. Sometimes how stupid people are, Tull and FZ, sometimes how spiritual, Yes, sometimes surreal death (Genesis, Tull). However bizarre, adventurous, devious, obscure and more Prog rock, lyrically reflects the human condition with more complexity and depth. It does not idealize people like the teen fantasy stuff you get elsewhere - which is just a sales pitch for identity reinforcing. This incidentally may be most swiftly understood and encapsulated by The Beatles songs (from pop in the firt half, to what we call proto prog in the second. In short the person who thinks pixies etc is way off base - seriously wrong. Or the best song summing this up in a parody ... Goblin Girl - FZ. |
Posted By: maryes
Date Posted: April 08 2017 at 09:40
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I think all themes : fantasy, lyricism, spiritual, existential problems ... have a place in music and others artistic forms ! Due the inquisitive nature of human being . Certainly in Progressive Rock ( in all sub-genres) and Classical music this discussion are more deep, because are more meditative / contemplative and less commercial ! |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: April 08 2017 at 11:09
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I'm already out when it says "songs about" - I'm interested in how it sounds and what it's "about" doesn't normally bother me in the least. |
Posted By: CapnBearbossa
Date Posted: April 08 2017 at 12:56
Anyone who declares "Hobbit Rock" is at all an accurate description of progressive rock is showing himself to know nothing about the subject matter. I can't speak for neo-prog or latter day (nu-)prog, but definitive Prog distinguishes itself by being cross-genre, combining unlikely influences into a cohesive whole, and being more interested in musicianship than in lyrics, story or song concept. That said, Led Zeppelin and Rush have recorded the rare song to do with such themes. ------------- Will higher mighty force redeem the one who dropped the moral compass, failed to fulfill the dream? -Ian Anderson |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 08 2017 at 13:37
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Misty morning, clouds in the sky Without warning a wizard walks by Casting his shadow, weaving his spell Flowing clothes, tinkling bell. Yup, must be prog. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Kepler62
Date Posted: April 08 2017 at 19:44
What about capes and robes. There were a lot of capes and robes in prog back in the seventies. |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: April 09 2017 at 00:00
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"Queen II" was in that realm....songs like "Ogre Battle," "Fairy Feller's Master Stroke" etc. Their best album IMHO. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: April 09 2017 at 02:57
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I want to tell you a story About a little man, if I can A gnome named Crimble Crumble and the little gnomes stay in their homes eating, sleeping, drining their wine ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: April 09 2017 at 04:02
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I think the "goblins and wizards" statement refers to prog being all about fantasy. This should not be confused with mythology. Mythological themes do indeed quite often appear in prog; fantasy is in my opinion much rarer. This "often" has to be taken with a grain of salt though; my guess is that about 0,1% of prog songs is about mythology and/or fantasy, if not less. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: April 09 2017 at 04:19
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Prog is all about hardcore sex and violence ------------- Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV. https://www.soundcloud.com/user-322914325 |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 09 2017 at 04:47
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This thread reminds me of two separate things: Bo Hansson's Sagan om Ringen and the band Gandalf's Fist. The former is much closer to a late 60s offering and instrumental to boot whilst the latter sports all the cheesy accolades one dares to throw at them. Conclusion? Bananas don't grow in Denmark but we still eat them on a daily basis. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Gully Foyle
Date Posted: April 18 2017 at 11:40
Well, to be fair, with Jon Anderson's presence, Yes is kind of 'hobbit rock'
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: April 18 2017 at 11:47
But how hairy are his feet? |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 18 2017 at 12:30
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Prog is about masturbation from a non-sexual perspective. ------------- 
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Posted By: ClaudeV
Date Posted: April 18 2017 at 12:50
| This is a cliché from punks who know nothing about prog. |
Posted By: WeepingElf
Date Posted: April 18 2017 at 13:19
Not hobbits as much as ... see my signature. ------------- ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf "What does Elvish rock music sound like?" - "Yes." |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: April 19 2017 at 05:26
You haven't lived until you've done the mattress dance in 13/8 ------------- We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: Kepler62
Date Posted: April 19 2017 at 14:52
Oh no what do we have here? |
Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: April 19 2017 at 15:25
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I'd hate to be mythicist, but wizards and goblins aren't real....so can they be considered groups of people? Asking for a friend ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 19 2017 at 15:36
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Ask the WGDL. (The Wizards and Goblins Discrimination League.) ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: April 19 2017 at 22:10
Sure thing. I'm sure they're in Times Square as we speak! ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: Kepler62
Date Posted: April 20 2017 at 03:58
| I wish that a sky wizard would come down from his magic kingdom and eradicate that annoying Danko Jones advert. |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: April 20 2017 at 09:03
 ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: April 21 2017 at 05:10
I wondered about that. Though not for long. Wizards, yes. Goblins no. |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 21 2017 at 05:35
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At the bottom of my garden, I came upon a little man, dressed all in green and white. He had his head between his legs and had his hands on the side of his head. I asked him...."Are you a Goblin?" "No", he replied "I'm a little pissed on real-ale and I've got a head-ache".... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 21 2017 at 06:45
The best wizards and goblins concept album isn't Prog: ------------- What? |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 21 2017 at 20:37
| I have no idea who those may be, but the album cover is great. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 22 2017 at 10:42
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^Both Bob Johnson and Peter knight are former members of Steeleye Span. This album, based on Lord Dunsany's novel The King Of Elfland's Daughter, could easily qualify as prog folk. It's also a concept album.
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 22 2017 at 14:28
| Prog sites is just all about robots and 'merican politics. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 22 2017 at 17:03
The cover is by Jimmy Cauty, otherwise known as Rockman Rock, co-founder of both The Orb and The KLF. He as also responsible for drawing one of the most popular LotR posters of all time:  ------------- What? |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: April 25 2017 at 07:54
Not Prog but very awesome!!!
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Posted By: Pinkyesgenesistull
Date Posted: April 25 2017 at 13:34
| Prog can be anything. Thats what prog is. Yes it can be about wizards and goblins but it can also be about chess. (Your Move by Yes). Or it can just be about the same things that normal rock songs are about. Thats the great thing about progressive rock, it can be anything. And before anyone gets mad i know the song is actually called Ive Seen All Good People thats just what that part of the song is called. |