What does age have to do with Prog Metal?
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Topic: What does age have to do with Prog Metal?
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Subject: What does age have to do with Prog Metal?
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 08:20
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It has been proposed that Prog Metal is mainly popular among young people. Let's find out ...
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Posted By: sgrurru
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 10:06
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to be honest I love dream theater but that's about the only prog metal
that i listen to...and also Aufklarung and Angra...though i wouldn't
really call it metal...
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 11:52
| I like lots of prog metal but hardly any of the obvious ones, at least from the last decade. But I'll say young and like, I guess. |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 12:11
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I'm young- 17 in fact- and if I'm being brutally honest, I DON'T really like a huge amount of prog metal; I have 'Operation Mindcrime' and a few DT albums, and they are all good but I play them far less than even an album by Jonesy or Czar, much less an album by Genesis or Yes. I've been listening to a lot of the genre lately, but the bands seem to sound alike to me- lots of solos but a lack of quality songwriting...Dick Heath's remarks about 'Octavarium' on another thread about there being plenty of technoflash yet no substance are hard to top... For me, good progressive metal is what bands like Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Budgie, Metallica, Megadeth, Diamond Head etc. did in the 1970s/1980s, with lots of great solos yet memorable hooks and well crafted songs too. Given time, I may change my mind, but on first impression, it, um, hasn't made much of an impression on me! |
Posted By: OldFatherThames
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 12:12
| I'm 20 and don't like prog metal. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 13:19
There are many Prog Metal bands that have what you describe. What else have you been listening to (and didn't like)? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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salmacis wrote:Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 13:20
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 13:41
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I'm not young and I LOVE prog metal -------------  |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 13:53
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Im young a love most prog-metal ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 14:18
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I'm young and don't hate it, but I don't hate it either.
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Posted By: Englar
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 14:51
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I'm young and I like prog metal. ------------- 
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 15:07
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You kids love that music! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 17:06
I’m young and like Prog Metal. 
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 17:59
I like it...its not my favorite genre, but I really find it interesting...pretty good bands!...Specially Deep Purple...hehehhehehe ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 18:07
I'm 17 and like progmetal. Not all of it though ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: eriksalkeld
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 18:26
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I can't vote... ------------- Autenticidad, actitud, pluralidad, espiritu e inteligencia, si es prog bien, si no, tambien. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 18:57
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according to this poll, I am not young, and I don't especially like
prog-metal, with perhaps the odd exception. in general it is mostly the
attitude about metal I don't like. I like it heavy though at times;
High Tide and Hawkwind are definitely some of my favorites (both are
not metal bands though, but can be pretty heavy). I also like to listen
to Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin or Atomic Rooster, for example. or Blue
Oyster Cult. but in general, Metal doesn't interest me much, unless
someone can recommend something interesting to me. not Dream Theater
though please; I know them
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Posted By: R.Darkmoon
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 19:20
 Long live young ppl who like Porg Metal ------------- I'm not antisocial, I just don't like wasting my breath... |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 20:19
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PORG metal =
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 20:21
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Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 20:55
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I’m young and don’t like Prog Metal. (although I voted for non young/dislike, I think...) ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 22:44
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i am 25 and the only metal i like so far is opeth, dream theater,
symphony x, tool, mars volta. |
Posted By: Ben2112
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 02:09
| 33 here and currently listening to heavier music than I ever have. |
Posted By: -bp-
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 02:26
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Im young and I like Prog Metal, but Symphonic Prog is still my fav genre/sub
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Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 02:28
| Age has absolutely nothing to do with a passion for heavy guitars, Mike. I have been listening to them for about 30 years. Metal ain't new! |
Posted By: Olympus
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 04:20
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Ha ------------- "Let's get the hell away from this Eerie-ass piece of work so we can get on with the rest of our eerie-ass day" |
Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 04:33
| BJean- have you tried devin townsend - ocean machine or terria are brilliant |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 05:03
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Have you tried these:
P.S.: Of course a single song only gives you a vague idea of the album.
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 05:50
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Not young, and not much of a fan of prog metal. I am a fan of a lot of hard rock and plenty of noisy indie/alternative music, but most of the music listed as prog metal just leaves me cold (and I have tried DT, Opeth, Symphony X and most of the others with sample songs on this site). A lot of the time it seems like the worst of both worlds to me - not heavy enough for metal but too close to metal to be prog. Having got that off my chest, I can also understand the popularity of a lot of prog metal and the leading acts in the genre include musicians and writers as talented as in any other sub genre. Whilst I'm not a fan, I can't honestly say that I actively dislike much of it either. The age issue is an interesting one. I think that had I not grown up during the glory days of Led Zeppelin I'd probably be a lot more receptive to Dream Theater (not a perfect analogy, but it will do), in the same way that if I hadn't been around to experience Pink Floyd at first hand I'd probably have more time for Radiohead and Coldplay. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 05:59
That doesn't make sense to me. Shouldn't is say "too close to metal to be rock"? Your comment seems to support my theory that Prog Metal is indeed very different from Prog Rock. IMO a lot of people bash Prog Metal needlessly because it's not similar to the established Prog Metal bands. But nobody said that it is, that's not the issue. You also said in another part of your post that there are many accomplished songwriters and musicians who focus on Prog Metal. Shouldn't we judge the quality of the music instead of the similarity to other genres?
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 07:24
There's a lot of folky pagan (if I recall correctly that's something you have an interest in?) music with metal undertones - I'm not too familiar in general but Empyrium used to do dark moody metal, before doing dark moody folk. There's a lot of pagan black metal too but that's usually awful
 edit: Empryium aren't prog, of course, but I'd imagine most of Mike's list wouldn't really be to your taste, although you may find Fantomas interesting I guess.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:38
I listened to the examples of those bands in the database (not those examples you gave me, because they are only a few seconds long; nothing to judge by). here's what I have to say about them (ciomments were written immediately after I first heard them). Fantomas: "Rosemarie's Baby". interesting track, though I fear hardly representative. the part when it gets heavy is a little over the top, in my opinion, but certainly not uninteresting. Devin Townsend: "Hide Nowhere" and "War". excuse me, but I fail to see how these tracks are prog at all, not even prog metal. it is metal, yes, but absolutely no prog element. absolutely boring too. if this is in any way representative for his work, he should be removed from the archive. Heaven's Cry: unfortunately there is no MP3 of them in the archive, nothing I can judge. Pain of Salvation: "!Forward", "New Year's Eve", "Ashes", "Beyond the Pale". the most interesting so far. big plus: when they rock, they don't go over the top. on the minus side: I don't care much for the vocals (maybe I could get used to them though), and the keyboards are occasionally too billowing. Symphony X: "The Eyes of Medusa", "Church of the Machine", "Egypt". quite interesting. the keyboards generally seem to be a weak point of prog metal; here they are often too reedy or (again, as with Pain of Salvation) too billowing. nice duet between guitar and keyboards at the end of "Church of the Machine" though. the vocals leave me cold again. on the plus side, just as with Pain of Salvation: they don't go over the top when they rock. but those keyboards are sometimes way too "sülzig", as Friede said; a word that is difficult to translate; "schmaltzy" does not quite hit the mark; perhaps "billowing" is best to describe them. Psychotic Waltz: "Freakshow". nothing special here; a band like dozens of others. not even very proggy. in through one ear, out through the other. horrible vocals though (although they are absolutely typical for the metal genré). Adagio: "The Inner Road" and "Next Profundis": that's something I will have to listen to again. just one remark right now: why do so many singers have to sound like castrated cockerels? Ayreon: no MP3s here, so no comment. Ice Age: "Ice Age". by far the best track so far; even the vocals are bearable. more of this. Opeth: "The Drapery Falls", "Closure". quite interesting and many non-metal parts. but I can live without the growling; I think it is childish. if this is something they use often: no thanks. Shadow Gallery: "The Dance of Fools" and "Act 1- Victims". the first track is not metal at all, the 2nd a little. quite untypical for prog metal. Winds: "The Fireworks of Genesis". I like the beginning of that track with the string section; do they use it more often? the rest was nothing special ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:53
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I'm 21, with the life experience of someone closer to the 'old' side,
and while I like prog metal, I prefer other forms of prog.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 12:13
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 12:21
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. Everybody's got his opinion, but its still a bit strange to my eyes
Shadow Gallery don't sound THAT much metal... Its becouse of the production me thinks, the guitars aren't that heavy... And the meodies are quite nicePosted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 13:22
Yes. Actually, if you only know Dead Soul Tribe and listen to Psychotic Waltz for the first time, I bet you wouldn't recognize that it's Devon. His singing was quite experimental in PW, and I really prefer his more mature style with Dead Soul Tribe. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 14:52
I listened to the examples of Devin Townsend in the database; the MP3s that are in there ("Hide Nowhere" and "War") are absolutely horrible and boring and not prog at all; if this is in any way representative for his output he should be deleted from the database. and I don't say that because I generally disapprove of prog metal; I listened to a lot today and found some really interesting stuff (especially Ice Age) ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 14:57
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Young, and not a prog-metal fan
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 15:04
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BaldJean: There's more to Devin Townsend than "meets the ear" on first listen. He's surely not your typical prog artist, that's obvious. His music has an enormous level of sophistication, especially on many tracks of "Infinity" and all of "Terria". I suggested a track from Terria in the collabs section, it should be added to the samples in a few days. Here are two samples (complete songs) from his homepage: http://www.hevydevy.com/mp3/Christeen.mp3 - http://www.hevydevy.com/mp3/Christeen.mp3 http://www.hevydevy.com/mp3/Canada.mp3 - http://www.hevydevy.com/mp3/Canada.mp3 I'm curious what you think about them ... and why you're so opposed to his music even on first listen. Remember that there's a lot of music in the Electronic Prog genre that would cause equally negative reaction on first listen - Klaus Schulze for example (people would complain that it's just sphaerical synths). Edit: I just listened to the 128kbps versions ... the compression really hides the enormous level of detail in the songs.
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Posted By: Dream Theater
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 15:48
I'm young and I listen to prog metal. 
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 16:25
sorry Mike, but the 2 examples you gave me only convince me more: there is nothing even remotely proggish about Devin Townsend. Led Zeppelin is a hundred times more proggy than he is. I will ask for the removal of Devin Townsend from the database. this has nothing to do with liking the music or not; it simply isn't prog ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 17:06
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 17:22
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http://www.progressiveworld.net/townsendd.html - http://www.progressiveworld.net/townsendd.html (4/5) http://www.progressiveworld.net/townsendd2.html - http://www.progressiveworld.net/townsendd2.html ( only 6/10, says that it's not his cup of tea but very progressive) http://www.babyblaue-seiten.de/index.php?albumId=4858&content=review&left=genre&genre=14 - http://www.babyblaue-seiten.de/index.php?albumId=4858&co ntent=review&left=genre&genre=14 (in german, average score 12.50/15) He is generally considered to be a progressive artist ... sorry. You neither have to understand nor to like him, but please don't demand his deletion from the archives just from a few listents to some 128kbps samples from two of his albums. That sounds a little rash ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 17:28
I just fell into the not young and like PM category. 
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 18:14
explain to me what is progressive about this music; I don't get it at all. the examples I listened to were not progressive at all. he is not listed in the New Gibraltar Encyclopedia of Progressive Rock, by the way, although they have about double as many artists as we ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 21:27
Devin townsend produces cd's that need to be listened to as a whole- not the public accessible samples released on websites. That is why I never place links to them as Mike does, they are usually not good examples to listen to. What would we think of Yes if the only sample we had heard was owner of a lonely heart. Some people just don't like the heavier sound of guitars (and perhaps think there is no place for them in progressive music). I get the feeling your favourite band is VdGG- for me they are too light, much the same as Camel and GG- but this doesn't mean I don't play them, they are just not on my favourites list. It is a bit silly to hear a couple of these user friendly samples and declare them not progressive, though. [edit] "I will ask for the removal of Devin Townsend from the database. this has nothing to do with liking the music or not; it simply isn't prog." And this is not the attitude a collaborator should have from listening to two songs. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 01:16
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Ice Age's "The Great Divide" is a brilliant prog metal album and I encourage you to buy it. ------------- |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 02:06
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^^ BaldJean: I created a separate thread about Devin Townsend, let's continue discussion there (if you're interested). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 04:10
it has nothing to do with heavier sound of guitars, and it has nothing to do with liking (and I like heavy guitars, by the way). the question is: where is the prog? certainly not in those examples ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 08:57
I don't have a favorite band as such. and if VdGG is too "light" for you, you should listen to their live album "Vital", which is anything but "light". sure, it does not have the up-tempo beat of prog-metal, but you never heard a more brutal bass guitar, and the guitar is very much on the heavy side too; the first few chords tell the route the album is going to take. and there are a lot of much heavier bands than VdGG that I lsten to and like (and some are really heavy); being heavy is just not a criterion for me to like an album or not. as to my comment about Devin Townsend: if people don't load up better examples of his music, I can't help it. I listened to his whole "Terria" album now; I agree it is prog, but Mr. Townsend will never be one of my favorites, I'm afraid ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 10:09
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BJean- I don't know PA's policy on sample MP3s, but I assume they would
be only placing links to officially sanctioned samples by the owners of
the music- am I wrong in this? That is what I meant by public accessible-
these songs are usually songs that will give the greatest return from
the general public. Most buyers want something they can tap their toe
to. The downside of this is the discernable listener will dismiss them
as insignificant. Back to Townsend- as much as I hate to bring gender into it, I think some bands just suit a male audience better (please don't think bad of me for writing this). He struck a chord with me the first time I heard him. I even made a post to this effect. I am truly sorry I started all this nonsense when I suggested you listen to him when you mentioned the other classic rockers in an earlier post in this thread. Now, what about the gathering? Have you listened to them? |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 10:27
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you are probably right. too much testosterone for our taste. and no, we don't know the Gathering
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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 10:44
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BaldJean and how about Riverside?
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 10:49
we don't know them either ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 10:52
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Check out the MP3`s on the side, they give a good picture of what this band is
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 10:56
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But You can't call Riverside porg metal, me thinks... But lets wait till the New Album... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 10:58
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Well it`s listed under Prog Metal....
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 11:02
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WHAT?! Well, If Shadow Gallery are prog metal then Riverside can't be that far off.. But then again Primus is art rock... God this is strange ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 11:04
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Admin is your god?
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 11:05
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Posted By: Mategra
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 03:03
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I'm old and I loathe prog metal... ...and heavy metal, death metal, thrash metal, doom metal, black metal, nu metal etc. etc. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 06:41
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Sorry, but Canada is a good AND representative track of Terria. Christeen does not represent Infinity well, but War is ok. I agree that it's imperative to listen to the complete album before rating or reviewing an album, but it's possible to tell whether you'll like an album from a single song. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 07:33
| ^ My comment was a generalisation, not an attack, and as such I should not have mentioned your name directly- my apologies Mike |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 07:50
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I didn't see it as an attack ... I just wanted to point out that Canada is sufficient to judge Terria. People who listen to Canada and don't see why it's prog and then listen to the whole album and suddenly change their mind ... well, IMO they either just didn't listen to Canada closely oenough or not to the end, or they think that Terria is prog for the wrong reason - maybe they discovered a mellotron or a violin, or an odd time signature. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Orion-GER
Date Posted: July 04 2006 at 19:09
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Nice thread!
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 04 2006 at 19:15
Wow ... that first option sky-rocketed since I resurrected the thread a few hours ago.
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: July 04 2006 at 19:20
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I´m 43 and like Queensryche, Dream Theater, Akashic, some Symph X etc. I also like Kansas, Enchant, Rush, Pavlov´s Dog etc, It just depends on my mood.
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Posted By: Open-Mind
Date Posted: July 04 2006 at 20:14
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I'm 17 and I really like progressive metal... Specially bands like Dream Theater, Opeth & Orphaned Land ------------- "I'm on a roll, I'm on a roll this time, I feel my luck could change.. " |
Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 00:08
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I'm 17 and I despise metal with every fiber of my being. A metal edge or metal elements are ok, and sometimes even desirable, but anything that's close to being pure metal--ugh, TOO LOUD! ------------- "Never forget that the human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine." Sleepytime Gorilla Museum: Because in their hearts, everyone secretly loves the Unabomber. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 00:14
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Really heavy stuff, not at all. Pain of Salvation is just about as much as I can handle. I'm more of a Dream Theater fan, which doesn't really translate too much to a prog-metal fan. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 00:40
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I'm 17 and enjoy metal as much as any other prog genre I've heard. ------------- 
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 00:41
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Meh...there's not alot of prog metal i like. Not that i hate it or anything, just not for me (though i've been trying to expand my horizons to include it...it isn't always successful).
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 00:45
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I'm 40 and was listening to metal back before most of you were even thought of,I love ALL kinds of metal,and will listen to it till the day I die. ------------- |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 00:47
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 02:43
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I'm young, 18, and like prog-metal. But I much prefer Art-Rock and Symphonic. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 02:47
If you like both Pain of Salvation and Dream Theater that makes you a Prog Metal fan par excellence. Or do you think that it is a requirement to enjoy all the major bands of a genre in order to call yourself a fan? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 02:59
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Hard poll, I like Fantomas and Pain of Salvation plus Iron Maiden who I believe are a Prog Metal band.
But I don't hate the rest, just simply don't listen it as I don't listen RIO, but that's all.
I like Symphonic, Fusion, Folk/Prog, Canterbury, Space, Psychedelia and even Neo Prog much more than metal.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 03:03
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This poll is not about which genre you prefer ... it's just about whether you like or dislike Prog Metal.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 03:08
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I'm 31 and voted I don't like the poll. It needs more options. Baldfriede or anyone else curious: I'd like to reccomend http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2088 - Secret Chiefs 3: Book of Horizons . Some soundclips on their http://www.webofmimicry.com/label.php?band=sc3 - website and whole songs on http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=5267768 - Myspace From these clips, you'll probably not understand why there placed under progressive metal (which is wrong anyway) at all. A bit strange, but still good selection of examples. They won't prepare you for their experimental, complex and extreme stuff. Read the two reviews here, and look at the line-up. that'll give you some explanations. The clip The Electromagnetic Azoth, and the myspace full track Blaze of the Grail, are probably the two most representative of their sound. The dated ethno-technosound of Zulfigar III is not. The Exile is the intro track on the album. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 03:31
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I'm 16 and I love Prog Metal... Just keep it simple... ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg"> 
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 03:41
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 03:56
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^ Can't believe it.. Opeth are from Sweden right?? You should be an Opeth maniac! LOL just kidding. ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 04:36
Which options would that be? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 04:59
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I would have to answer, I'm not young and i like Prog Metal. What use
would that information have, when I certainly think its age-related to
like it myself? I'm open to any extreme music including metal, and continued liking a lot of what i listened to in my teens. Of course listening to norwegian death-prog metal, and not laugh out loud at bands like Rhapsody is age related. I love Enslaved myself, but to make a point I have to generalize a little, although nothing is absolute. Music interested people past their teens has obviously heard a lot more music than a teenager. So when you've heard all variations of 70's prog, you'll hope that when someone writes: OMG!! DT is the best band ever!!! - that they will in time find out that they were wrong. How about I'm not young/young: I think it is age related, and young people like it more?...or something. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 05:16
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The purpose of this poll is not to gather opinions, but facts - provided that people are not manipulating, the poll will show whether your opinion is confirmed by it or not. Why don't you create another poll which simply has two options: "I think that liking PM is age related" and the reverse. It will be interesting to see if the results will match ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 05:43
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Well, I wouldn't really trust the result anyway, and I'm not really
qurious because I know what the right answer is. Prog-metal is in
general and as a phenomena in the world outside of here, mainly for young boys broadening their metal tastes. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 05:51
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^ feel free to ignore what others say ... nothing wrong with that. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 05:57
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Mainly or not, I know it for myself that I got into Prog-Metal all the way from Classic Rock myself, and now it is the genre I have the strongest bonds with. I do not believe I will outgrow it with age, as I have already discovered groups that do not swim on the surface and that are deep enough to be returning to all my life long.
By the way, Mike, I agree with Rocktopus for once, that the poll doesn't reveal as much information as we would have liked. Do the people who said they liked Prog-Metal meant a) they had nothing against the genre, b) they liked a few bands, c) they had general knowledge in the genre? I know that it isn't all important and the aim of the poll is one and only - to find how age is related to sympathy to Prog-Metal - but there are all these little nuances that we can not reveal even if we make every single poster tell about his relation to PM.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 05:59
So you actually trust that the polls in the archives tells the truth? ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 06:17
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^ no, but I'm looking at the results and the posts and in this case, I rather believe the poll result than your statement that you "know that Prog Metal is mainly for young men".
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 06:26
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Well, it is a known fact that 50% of PA members are 25 years old and younger. From this poll we know that more than 70% of such listeners like Prog-Metal. Other half of PA visitors are older than 25 years old. 55% of them enjoy Prog-Metal.
What conclusion can be drawn? Prog-Metal is a genre popular amongst both communities - young and old, however, more youngsters listen to Prog-Metal than the grown-ups. This has something to do with Prog-Metal's more modern approach to songwriting, however, I wouldn't be surprised if each person who voted 'yes' also enjoyed Classic Symphonic Prog, modern sound not being a trait of which.
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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 06:28
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prog metal is not for young people in particular but for people without a sense of "aesthetic", people blinded by "easy" musical expressions and conventions. Prog metal is for the alienated mass. ------------- 
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 06:32
Excuse me, I dont know whether its my english or what.. But you were saying prog metal is for people without a sense of aestethic and using easy musical expressions and conventions...
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 06:35
You heard/read him correctly. He isn't the only one who thinks so either.
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 06:39
ahh, okay.. I have LOTS of homework right now..  ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 06:42
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Doesn't matter if you trust me, or your own poll. The answer is the same. I've been to a DT concert  (Ha-ha. Don't wanna talk about it) and seen the fortysomething Rush nerds there. Nothings all black and white. I've also seen Opeth and Enslaved in concert and was one of the oldest in the audience. These are far from the most extreme ones, and thev've both been around for ca. 15 years. The poll is pointless because most things that contains extreme noise, attracts young men (boys) first and foremost. And an official prog-metal poll in a newspaper with random representatives of all ages or whatever, would prove that even clearer than a poll for members of a progarchive. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 06:44
^ let's try that again without aggression, please?
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 06:45
What do Enslaved prefer to play live, Rocktopus?  Any preferred tracks, or whole albums?
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 06:53
Edited. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 07:01
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^ thanks.
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