Good Bands With Bad Drummers
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Topic: Good Bands With Bad Drummers
Posted By: MortSahlFan
Subject: Good Bands With Bad Drummers
Date Posted: February 21 2019 at 12:24
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Drummers you don't care for, doesn't matter how you define it. Playing style (not personality).. Most of my favorite bands seem to have good drummers, or at least someone competent. This might take me a while to think of someone. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 21 2019 at 12:39
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Not bad, and I'm not referring to a band's full discography. This drummer's performance I found competent but pedestrian, and I find it to be a step down from an interesting drumming perspective as compared to the previous albums. So I'm doing album more than band. I'm thinking of Focus with Hamburger Concerto. Colin Allen is a competent drummer and this is what was wanted by I think both Thijs van Leer and Jan Akkerman (Thijs more perhaps -- I'm going on memory here). I think that Hamburger Concerto is a brilliant album, but I do miss the jazzy creativity of Pierre Pierre van der Linden on the earlier albums. I actually don't know how creative a drummer Allen is, as they wanted a more straightforward rock drumming approach for Hamburger Concerto, but I do think that the album would have benefited (at least to my ears) had they kept Pierre van der Linden. Sorry that I haven't exactly answered your question, but that's what came to mind. Flame away.... EDIT: An Nick Mason isn't a very good drummer technically, but I still like Pink Floyd. "He couldn't drum his way out of a paper bag" I seem to remember someone saying either about Mason or Ringo Starr. Thinking... I seem to remember Ian Anderson saying that of Nick Mason, or some such thing, but my recollection could be in error. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: February 21 2019 at 13:19
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^The version I'm familiar with is “couldn't improvise their way out of a paper bag” - Miles Davis on the classically-trained musicians he originally hired for Sketches of Spain |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 21 2019 at 13:31
^ Lovely. I love Sketches of Spain and hadn't heard that Davis saying. I could imagine a classical musician thinking, "Davis really should have come more prepared" or "He really should have spent more time rehearsing." ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Saperlipopette! wrote:Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 21 2019 at 13:59
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It's funny that John Bonham was full of self-doubt. He was concerned that his playing was not on par with his bandmates. I have a musician friend who thinks Artimus Pyle kinda sucks. Mick Fleetwood doesn't strike me as highly original or mindblowing, but he isn't "bad." ------------- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sQD8uhpWXCw" rel="nofollow - It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...Road Rage Edition |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 21 2019 at 15:34
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I can't think of any 'good bands' with a 'bad drummer'....but I dont care for Henley from the Eagles...but are they a good band? I also think Ringo was very mediocre though I know others claim he was a good drummer and Watts from The Stones always seems to lay down the same beat no matter what the song was...but again people claim he's a good drummer.....so maybe I just don't know enough about drumming. :( ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: February 21 2019 at 15:44
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The classical example is Novalis. Lutz Rahn is a great keyboarder, Detlev Job very good on guitar, and the band as a whole has a number of very good tasteful and original albums that I like a lot. Hartwig Biereichel however doesn't seem to be able to do anything else than plain and straight; I think on a personal and "organisational" level he was quite important for the band, but his drumming was probably just tolerated; the bass isn't their strong point either.
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: February 21 2019 at 16:23
| I don't hate Alan White but I think he's the most plain vanilla drummer I've ever heard. Coming after Bill Bruford that's not good. I really don't care for Neil Peart. Imo he's one of the most overrated musicians in music. (Oh, and I don't care much for Rush as a band either) |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 03:45
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Here are some albums that were sorta ruined by sub-par drumming (not bad drumming but not the virtuoso level you'd expect in prog) Todd Rundgren - Something Anything* Exodus - The Most Beautiful Day and of course Metallica - St. Anger xDDDDD *it was a one-man band thing but still ------------- 
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 03:51
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Ive seen fotage from Eagles from before and Don can to difficult stuff. Though he aint a virtouse jazz drummer. He stil is solid and makes -------------  
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 05:09
That's an often repeated opinion, but I've yet to come across a drummer who can play "Ticket to Ride" or "Get Back" anything near the way Ringo played them.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 06:27
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 06:58
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Simon King of Hawkwind wasn't a great time keeper, and his fills were sometimes scrappy. This is a contraversial view among Hawkfans who generally seem to think he was great. I'm also going to stick my neck out here and mention Keith Moon. He's not bad as such, but he's often credited with being in the same league as Bonham et al, and he's really not. He's very entertaining and played with great energy, but could be quite messy at times with dubious time keeping. Mick Fleetwood, by his own admission, was a fairly mediocre drummer, certainly compared to some of his peers. You could argue that FM's music didn't really demand a John Bonham or Bill Bruford, and that's probably true. I remember him commenting on The Chain, saying that he felt he played it quite badly, and a better drummer would have come up with something better. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 07:27
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 07:34
Moony is in a class of his own, whether it's a good one or a bad one I'm not sure. If you watch him play, even his style and the way he holds the sticks is weird. I just say he has a unique style. I've just read Daltrey's autobiography and he does says how wrong it felt playing with Kenney Jones after Moon died.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 07:53
| Marillion's first drummer, Mick Pointer, was apparently let go because he wasn't very good. I think he improved later on with Arena though. I haven't heard that first album in a long time so can't really comment much but that's what I've heard. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 07:53
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To me, Moon is like a guitarist that just can't come out of "lead" mode. Every song is like a drum solo beginning to end with just enough foundation to keep the band happy. While it might seem tough for the guitars to imagine playing with a drummer like that, once used to it, I bet it was somewhat liberating for everyone. One of the things I love about The Who. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sQD8uhpWXCw" rel="nofollow - It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...Road Rage Edition |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 08:01
/QUOTE] I'm sure there are drummers who can play them (I can't see any of these videos as YouTube is blocked at work). My point is that his drumming is more complex than a lot of people think.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 08:02
There was a rather interesting thread on him called "Mick Pointer: Great drummer or GREATEST drummer?" http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37632" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37632 12 years ago already? Seems much more recent to me. Time flies when you're having "stun". ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 09:39
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Bill Andrew (Death 1987-1990) is the most archetypal-good-enough-metal-drummer that ever existed. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 09:40
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I was going to mention Mick Pointer too, he is very solid but lacks finesse and inspiration. The most ruined albums because of poor drums were all those guitar shredder heroes albums from the 80s and 90s where only the guitarist was killer but had terrible rhythm sections, some even drum machines (Satrianis and co). |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 09:59
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Ringo Starr was a good drummer! About the Ringo solo in The End. It was not a real solo. He did not want to do it. So they deceived him. They did a piece playing guitar solos (as we hear in Anthology 3) and Ringo accompanied the solos. Then they removed the guitar solo from the mix, so that only the Ringo drums could be heard. And here's to you the Ringo solo. ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 10:20
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I think i like Roger Tylor more live than on album. He sounds dull on album but when one see him live one realise hes a great drummer. -------------
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 10:30
| Roger Taylor was better than it seems, it's not that easy to play those quirky Mercury songs from the golden era. |
Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 14:01
She can't seem to grasp the middle section (after the halt) on "Roundabout" correctly, the timing, etc., but she's good for her age. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 16:51
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 17:16
Have to agree with this as by the time the band reached the Who Are You album, Keith was a sorry, spent force barely capable of following even his own chaotic inner pulse. Good bands with bad drummers? Queen - Roger Taylor Pink Floyd - Nick Mason Velvet Underground - Maureen Tucker the Cure - Lol Tolhurst Talking Heads - Chris Frantz Bad bands with good drummers? Tool - Danny Carey
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 17:27
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 18:06
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 18:11
Oh, you mention Nick Mason - he ain’t the most technical drummer out there, but he’s a perfect fit for Floyd. I recall back when I was 15, watching Live at Pompeii, and thinking ‘whoa, this is the best drummer I’ve ever seen/heard’......I wouldn’t call him ‘bad’ at all. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 18:25
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Danny Carey is actually very good, I'm not a Tool listener but Carey is very talented. A bad drummer means, to me, they cannot keep time or rhythm with the bass player. This would throw off the whole band in most cases, a band would notice this quickly and make changes. Nick Mason was an excellent percussionist, I don't regard him as a stellar drummer but he does other things that made impact to Pink Floyd music. His sound is what I really enjoy, he has a deep emotional drum sound. -------------   
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 23 2019 at 03:02
Correct. Funny you mention Leprosy, that drum sound is EXACTLY what I was talking about. The reverb is so bad it sounds like it was recorded IN a metal foundry. If that was the goal, they nailed it. Bill Andrews and Terry Butler both suck immensely as a rhythm section, death metal or not. Chuck had to play all the bass lines on Leprosy because Butler was so inept. Good riddance to that terrible line up. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 23 2019 at 04:21
He is a good drummer but for me he always has a terrible drum sound, particulary the snare.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 23 2019 at 13:59
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