the Soft Machine vs Weather Report
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Topic: the Soft Machine vs Weather Report
Posted By: Icarium
Subject: the Soft Machine vs Weather Report
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 01:39
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From watching a 1970 concert of the Spft, they to me can compete with the best and well renown jazz fusion bands in the US in both groove, melodicisme and band interplay. So who to you carry the heavyest stick in creating the wildest fusion of jazz,rock and what ever. lets concentrste on the Soft between 60s anf 70s and Weather Report in 70s. whos yout favs? -------------  
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 01:45
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Das Machine ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 03:30
| Weather Report |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 04:16
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I only really like the Vitous-era of Report (the first three & the double live)... Don't care that much for the Alphonso Johnson albums (2), and TBH, I really have difficulties with Jaco at the bass (he overdoes everything by tons) So it's The Machine by a light year.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 06:01
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-same as Sean, but maybe not by a whole light year (and despite everything I quite like Black Market). ------------- 
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Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 07:03
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Weather Report ------------- https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 07:28
| The Soft Machine takes my vote, but I must admit that Weather Report is quite amazing. |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 07:52
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I like both a lot but Soft Machine ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 09:12
| Soft Machine for sure. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 09:40
OK, that was maybe somewhat of an exaggeration... Let's say a whole light week
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Saperlipopette! wrote:Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 10:20
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I like the Softs, but Weather Report at the height of their powers was a moving fortress. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 10:40
| Jaco, Shorter, Zawinul, Erskine.... Tough to beat that lineup so Weather Report. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 11:29
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My favorite Weather Report line-up is the Zawinul, Shorter, Vitous line-up of the early albums. I especially enjoy I Sing the Body Electric and the debut. I first heard WR with Jaco as it came very highly recommended, but it didn't appeal much to me. I became a fan of Weather Report after hearing the early albums (they're more my taste). Anyway, much as I really like early Weather Report, it's still an easy vote for Soft Machine from me. I especially love the first few albums, and Third has remained one of my very favourite albums for many years. ------------- Just a music fan passing through trying to fill some void. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Various music I am into now: a youtube playlist |
Posted By: Quinino
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 12:04
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Third of course but then a little later I really loved Soft's (and Bundles) - and still do up to this day ! |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 16:42
What about Jaco, Shorter, Zawinul, Thompson (Chester Thompson). Either way Weather Report gets my vote.
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Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 18:11
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Soft Machine are one of my favourite prog bands, so my vote goes to them. ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 18:49
| Def Soft Machine... now if you had put them up against the Mahavishnu Orchestra, then my answer would be different. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 21:45
Softs ------------- |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 23 2019 at 08:09
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Hi, An interesting comparison, but a sad one ... SM came out of an era that was exploring a lot of different things, and it went on to improvise a lot, although it became a bit more formulaic AFTER the advent of Robert Wyatt ... Weather Report was way much more "American" in that it was much more song/composition oriented, with various small amounts of expression in between, be they the bass, the drums or anything else. It's hard to "define" which is better, because they were a part of a time that was so different ... if they both had been in London, or NY, I would say that this was a good try, but it was quite a few years apart, and completely different scenes altogether that created the music they did. I will abstain, although I know in my heart that I can hum along with one or two pieces by Weather Report, and I know I can not do that with SM. And yes, SM3 is an album that I lived with a long time ... like right since 1972 or so ... when there was no Weather Report. It's a very strange poll for me, because you are asking which is better ... Beethoven or Stravinsky ... and I'm not sure that is representative of anything except someone that does not look at music in a didactic and learned look, to see why there are differences. It makes this look like just a bunch of songs from the same day and time ... and they are different because THEY AREN'T. A favorite is like saying that you like Bardot better then Lollobrigida or Loren! SILLY! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 23 2019 at 10:16
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^oh don't be sad. I just went for my overall favorite - and Soft Machine has meant so much to me over the years. No matter how much I treasure WR at the very beginning while they were still genuinely exiting and progressive in the truest sense - I can't say the same about them. But I don't consider one of the bands to be better than the other. I'd say I prefer Beethoven and Loren over your other options as well but not as is saying that they are "better" either. I prefer my wife over most other women. Its just a preference. -------------
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: May 23 2019 at 12:36
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'Best' jazz fusion......? To me they are both talented bands....I really like the first 6 or7 Soft lps and the first 6 or 7 Weather lp;s......hard to choose in that they are fairly different from one another in style. Both..? ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 11:05
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Both ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: May 20 2021 at 17:06
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I prefer Weather Report for their albums up to Sweetnighter, especially the first two and the Live in Tokyo double-set - peak spacy fusion with a great blend of electric Miles and the Third Stream tradition. But as a whole - I'd go with the Softs. Never a bad album, to me - love every Mach of the band.....can't say that about Weather Report. ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: May 20 2021 at 23:09
| Softies |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: May 20 2021 at 23:24
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Weather Report, no contest. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: May 21 2021 at 02:00
| 'The' Soft Machine? - I think 'the' got dropped around 1969. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 21 2021 at 02:43
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I was going to say Softs but then thought about the recent 5 cd boxset I got from Weather Report. I used to only really dig their first three albums but am now getting into the Jaco-leg of their journey. Still..nothing with Jaco beats those two first records. I Sing The Body Electric is a masterpiece imho. Both I guess. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: May 21 2021 at 16:22
Oddly enough, I would think the "the" would make more sense placed before Weather Report's name.
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: May 22 2021 at 06:23
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It’s the Softs. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: July 19 2022 at 02:28
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The Soft Machine ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: July 19 2022 at 08:46
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Soft Machine gets my vote. Weather Report were proper jazz virtuosi from the start, and their first few albums are often dazzling, but after a certain point (Heavy Weather or 8:30) they became increasingly formulaic. Live and Unreleased shows that even the later line ups could still find the spark on stage, though. The Softs evolved into a fusion band, and by the time Karl Jenkins took the helm they boasted a similar level of virtuoso musicianship, but they have a greater stylistic range than Weather Report, and their music is more enjoyable. I'm listening to Third right now. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |