Why can't I stand most modern prog?
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Topic: Why can't I stand most modern prog?
Posted By: jpaleschic
Subject: Why can't I stand most modern prog?
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 10:14
Obviously rhetorical and rooted in subjectives, but I'd wager a percentage of prog fanatics have their own cut off point in the timeline of records that just start to smell cheesy, taste cloying, or have substituted a sense of exploration for mind masturbation. Maybe it's just the tape hiss, the old machinery, the handmade beeps and blips of yesteryears that I love? Maybe prog is a portal I jump into to escape the now, the sheen of nowness slipping me off its back like water on a duck. Maybe I hate the tabla  ?I'd love to acquire the names of a band or two, post '99, that other members of an "only the classics" ilk have come around to - especially if you never thought you would. What modern bands aren't represented on progarchives you feel neatly carry the torch? What monsters of modern prog would you never mind being erased from collective memory?
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 10:21
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Ok. So where do you draw the line that arbitarily splits old prog from new? Such binary choice is ridiculous? No? ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 10:27
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You need to listen to the new album by Edison's Children and chill out. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: jpaleschic
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 10:30
Definitely ridiculous and more something I would hope others have parsed for themselves, not a line I want to draw for anybody. I was hoping for recommendations specifically after 1999 in this post.
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M27Barney wrote:Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 10:31
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Other than certain retro kings like the Tangent, Wobbler, Niacin, a handful of others, there aren't many that truly reflect the classic era. I also think of Mammatus, NeBeLNest for a rougher psych sound. There are also those who emulate the spirit of golden age Prog but sound nothing like it such as Battles, Don Caballero. But basically you can't recreate an era, it is a product of the time it exists. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 10:31
| I was born in 1959 and classic prog to me is any prog band that's been around since the 1970's. Some of the post-1970's modern prog (or neo-prog) bands I really like are Anathema, Astra, Flower Kings, Magenta, Mostly Autumn & Porcupine Tree. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 10:33
Ignore that chilly post-- and no there's nothing ridiculous about it, that's why we're all here. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 10:36
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It’s OK to have preferences. I prefer 70s prog but many of my favorite albums are modern prog. ------------- The sun has left the sky... ...Now you can close your eyes |
Posted By: jpaleschic
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 10:38
Mind giving me your top 2 'modern' albums?
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 10:51
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I'm clearly not the right person to ask as I love a lot of the modern stuff. I'm still exploring a lot of older stuff but my major focus these days is the modern. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 10:56
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Check out Porcupine Tree "Coma Divine" or The Psychedelic Ensemble's "Mother's Rhymes" or the latest Wobbler. ------------- PROGMATIC |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 11:06
Seconded. Genius, which will blow away any pretensions that this genre is dead. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 13:05
| Wobbler and Tangent are the obvious choices. But how about the band Needlepoint? Very olskool vibe with a touch of Canterbury. Their latest album (Robert Reverie) is super cool. Also, check out Lucy in Blue. Their first album is a free download and it kicks a$$. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 13:51
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Pinkroom Naxatras Nemrud Astra Anekdoten Presto Ballet
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 14:07
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Thank You Scientist Thieves' Kitchen Sanguine Hum Izz The Aristocrats Big Big Train Lonely Robot All Traps on Earth Haken Frost* Tauk Riverside Lifesigns Antoine Fafard Phideaux |
Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 14:10
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Would be helpful if you disclosed what type of pre 1999 prog you like, there is a lot to chose from. Do you prefer (1977) Going For The One or Heavy Weather or L'apprendista or Natural Elements or A Farewell to Kings or Animals or Mirage or A Passanger To Paramaribo or Songs from the Wood or Rockpommel's Land or Seconds Out or Rain Dances or Before and after science or Feels good to me or I Robot or Onze Danses Pour Combattre La Migraine or Hand Und Fuß or other album from 1977. Prog is so many things.
------------- Same person as this profile: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=22524" rel="nofollow - Tamijo |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 14:18
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Definitely try Wobblers newest album and Steven Wilson, that got me hooked. If you like Wobbler try Jordsjø and Agusa. ------------- The sun has left the sky... ...Now you can close your eyes |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 14:26
You have good tastes in music.
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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 14:53
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Transatlantic Wobbler Big Big Train The Flower Kings Neal Morse Band Knifeworld Magenta Modern-Rock Ensemble Karfagen There's lots out there to explore but to each his/her own!!!
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 15:02
I only know Magenta and the Flower Kings in your list, but bearing in mind I really like those two bands, I'm sure I'd like the other bands on your list too. If only I had the time to listen to them all. I mostly listen to the 2,600+ CD's I already have.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 15:15
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Surely I'm not somebody who normally only loves old stuff, however the North Sea Radio Orchestra make stunningly beautiful handmade music, and absolutely none of the objectons you sometimes read against modern prog bands applies to them. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 15:30
The name of the band alone is enough to inspire me to want to listen to their music.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 15:46
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The prog music scene of the early 70's was similar to the romantic period of English poetry in the late 1700's. Musicians inspired each other a great deal (Peter Banks seems to have known everyone, Hackett used to call Fripp frequently, many shared flats in London & switched bands), and this created an amazing "music engine" that cannot easily be replaced. Try as we might, we cannot re-create those conditions in society. Those folks captured lightning in a bottle. I, too, struggle to find modern prog bands that appeal to me. The jazz-rock fusion idiom has had some exciting developments, and I enjoy hearing women as prog vocalists, which seems to be happening more and more. Here's some old-school prog from the dead for you: http://www.cherryred.co.uk/product/david-cross-peter-banks-crossover-cd/" rel="nofollow - https://www.cherryred.co.uk/product/david-cross-peter-banks-crossover-cd/ • The guitar and violin parts for this NEW STUDIO ALBUM were recorded on the 10th August 2010 in an afternoon of improvisation. • The resultant album was produced by Tony Lowe and David Cross and the guest appearances were recorded during 2018 and 2019 and features: Pat Mastelotto • This is the last new album of material from the late Peter Banks, who passed away in 2013, and had wanted to see this material released. ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 15:53
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old prog musicians were influenced by classical, jazz, blues, avant gard, noise, folk, broadway everything and anything and their was incredible freedom---and they didn't care if you liked it. modern prog is influenced by Yes Genesis KC ELP, Tull, Pink Floyd, Zappa, Zep-and all the bands they grew up listening to--so therefore can sound derivative ...and does.. Some of it is ok but there is a lot of unoriginal stuff.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 15:59
I enjoy listening to modern derivative prog. If modern neo-prog sounds like classic 1970's prog, I consider that a good thing, not a bad thing.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 15:59
Great pick, superb band. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 17:48
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Only you can answer the question that is the title of your thread. As for myself, I am still discovering bands from the 70s, although there are a lot of bands and artists who emerged after 1980 that I enjoy. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 21:15
I'd recommend going to progstreaming and just pick out an artist with an interesting album cover. For me the modern prog artists that float my boat way outweigh the ones who don't. There is so much good stuff going on that if you dismiss it all it does make your life simpler.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 22:57
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^ Good advice, I've found with prog you can judge a book by its cover . ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 23:57
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Modern (post 99) classics for me 1. Anathema - Weather Systems 2. Glass Hammer - The Inconsolable Secret 3. Magenta - Seven 4. Par Lindh Project - Veni Vidi Vici 5. Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused To Sing 6. The Mars Volta - Francis The Mute 7. Big Big Train - The English Electric Part One 8. Rush - Vapor Trails 9. Porcupine Tree - In Absentia 10. Haken - Affinity Actual classics (time approved) 1. ELP - Brain Salad Surgery 2. Yes - Close To The Edge 3. King Crimson - Red 4. Rush - Moving Pictures 5. Genesis - Foxtrot 6. Pink Floyd - Animals 7. Gentle Giant - The Power and The Glory 8. UK - UK 9. Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick 10. Anglagard - Hybris So would I take any of the modern ones over the actual classics? Possibly Weather Systems would slot in there somewhere obviously but that's it. Makes me realise what a load of money and time I've wasted so bye and it's been good to have known you all ( Moshkito aside)
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 02:02
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^ has Mourinho joining spurs upset you that much? 😎 ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 02:43
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I see in the Prog News area that Karda Estra are giving away a cool album for free. They're well worth a try for discovering modern prog far away from standard modern prog cliches. |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 05:29
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This morning I was listening to the new Jordsjø album, and it certainly has that "old school" feel to it. https://jordsjo.bandcamp.com/album/nattfiolen" rel="nofollow - https://jordsjo.bandcamp.com/album/nattfiolen ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 07:24
Honestly, there is a lot of stuff from yesteryear that I love dearly ... like you (and everyone) knows I like Amon Duul 2 ... and their story is sooooo much about the same thing that we all went through in the bad late 60's and early 70's specially. Things weren't days of wine and roses in Madison, even with the ROTC and the National Guard surrounding the Rathskeller (Student Union) and a lot of the campus ... and you getting frisked on the way in (I worked inside there), and OUT ... and watching even the girls get frisked, was, pretty much abuse and then some! All students were rats ... it makes you want to fight and take down those folks ... it makes you a "revolutionary" if you will ... and thus, I would say that a lot of the early material listed has a SPECIAL MEANING that a lot of the newer material does not ... if you ask me how does SW stand up against it? ... sorry my friend ... he's all talk and commercialism by comparison! I, do not find Mars Volta, BBT or Rush any better either ... although I probably would not list RUSH in either of these groups ... they are nice and very good ... but it's like selecting Marillion ahead of Genesis for me. Today's music, has very little meaning, although the things that folks are listening to are ... way too much like everything else that has been, and as I have been listening to GUY GUDEN'S SPACE PIRATE RADIO reincarnation, the one thing he did THEN (from 1974 on) was showcase new music and blow out the flames on these over rated groups that lost their mojo after one album! Today, I do not listen to much of anything on the 2nd listing, and I don't usually put on anything from the old list ... I've heard it enough times and sometimes, too much! Today I hear MONO, and GRAILS ... and think ... why can't people hear new things and appreciate them? Like this morning ... go to 7-11 to get a cup of brew and some food and ... gawd ... bohemian crap on the radio, again ... I am so tired of it! (on top of it, you can not learn to listen to new things when you only know one kind of thing!) There are many things out there ... and the only way we can find them is to open our ears to it ... plain and simple!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 08:24
| One thing I find lacking in modern prog (not all of course, but a lot) is the influence of classical music, so that makes it different in a sense from the classic era (again, not all classic era prog had classical influences). I guess once you have tried it all, or almos all in terms of instruments, influences from other genres, orchestras, etc, it's hard to come with something original (I mean 100% original), but many bands have been able to combine different styles, the yes/genesis influence seems to be the most common, plus many resources that modern technology offers, to come with some interesting music. I think it's a matter of adapting to the new ways, and then, it's easy to enjoy the music, at least for me and a few people I know. |
Posted By: jpaleschic
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 08:28
| I've got some listening work cut out for me - thanks to you all! |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 08:44
Great list. It's weird for me to think of Anglagard's hybris as an older(non modern)album since it's post 70's but it is pre 1999 so I can't argue with that. Regardless it definitely deserves to be on here and it's one of a handful of post 70's albums that definitely has to be heard by any self respecting prog fan(even a casual one or someone just starting out). I agree with most of your choices though(out of the ones I know which is most of them). For Porcupine Tree I would swap out in absentia(although it is a great one)for Lightbulb Sun and for Rush I would put in clockwork angels instead. As for the older I would put in larks tongues in aspic instead of red and octopus instead of tp&tg and selling england instead of foxtrot. Ok, that's enough of me being nitpicky.
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Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 08:54
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The only modern prog band I liked, I can't remember. 99% of what I hear that was made in the last 30 years is pretty awful. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 10:49
You should make better choices. Most music I listen to from the last 30 years is awesome. |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 10:50
Enjoy! |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 11:16
A great discovery I made on this site are iamthemorning from St. Petersburg, who come (like NSRO and Karda Estra as recommended earlier) with strong classical influences, and I can well imagine they appeal to a mainly 70s oriented prog fan.
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Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 13:14
Thank you for that tip. Listening right now, love it. Best thing I've heard in a long time.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 16:09
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^ Big Ian introduced me (and Raff) to them during our big battles of albums a couple of years ago. I A Moon made instant fans of both of us.. and several songs from that album remain on my permenent rotation of the portable mp3 player. It is a hard place modern prog resides in.. you have retro prog. which some absolutely love.. yet some (yes like me) would rather suffer castration and a f**king hole in the head than be subjected to listening to.. it might be prog.. but is as progressive as my left nut... yawn.. heard it all before.. and MUCH better done.. on the flip side baby ...there is the vibrant progressive scene.. prog? perhaps.. perhaps not.. but what it is if not in sound and style is actually more true to classic 70's prog is you have a bunch of bands and artists that are out carving out their own sounds and styles.. and as has been noted many times over the last few years.. don't associate.. or care to be associated with the prog scene. Or even aware that they might have been adopted by the prog commiunity as their own. Their target audience ain't us.. it is the kiddies or older free thinkers...that simply don't give a f**k whether something .. or some site.. considers it prog or not.. they are just digging good music. something.. a state of mind I can completely dig..
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 16:13
Have you heard Charlie Cawood's new album? Marjana Semkina of iamthemorning sings on a couple (or maybe more) of tracks. Superb album, like the one before.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 16:19
No. I've got to check it out, thanks!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 16:20
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yeah.. it gets a big thumbs up from me too.. .highly recommended ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 16:36
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Charlie Cawood isn't on this website. Some of you must be involved with online prog radio shows or something. I say that because often they find out before others do about new bands and artists. The new band called the sonic prune juice has an album they want everyone to know about so what do they do? THey contact an online prog dj. Makes sense to me. :D
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 16:49
I tried to get Charlie in the database two years ago, when his debut album was released and I chose it as my # 1 album of the year. Maybe we can try again this year. Anyway, I am not a prog DJ, but spent the best part of the last decade writing reviews of albums and shows, both for my blog and for a number of other sites (including this one). Then I got burned out and stopped writing, but I am still in touch with quite a few prog musicians via Facebook. However, a lot of suggestions for new music come from other friends.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 16:53
I understand getting burned out. I got burned out on going to prog festivals. I didn't do a whole lot of reviews and stuff but I can understand it especially when normally it's not something you get paid for.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 17:05
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Cawood should be on here, his latest is excellent. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 17:07
------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 17:08
------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 17:38
| Wow, how do you guys find out about these guys? Prog facebook groups? It seems all they do on there is talk about the most obvious bands so maybe not there. |
Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 17:49
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I hear a lot of new releases by going to several of the shows that I like. And I have no life. Not that Charlie is new, but he was new to me. Immediately hooked. ------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 17:51
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I remember a time at Nearfest .. dude.. I was feeling no pain man.. and I came back into the auditoriumafter having a smoke.. and what do I see.. Raff seemingly making out with some guy.. well nearly went into old school Micky mode and was ready to throw down and deck the guy.. thankfully Raff stopped me and told me it was Patrick Forgas and was merely ..warmly thanking with a big hug and one of those Euro kisses.. for her for her killer reviews of his albums. don't talk to fans man.. they aint' for the most part fans of the music.. just what they like... all they care about is what they like.. Meet and talk to the musos themselves. While some of you have become great personal friends.. I could count artists here as well as people we have met in real life and real time and become friends with. I believe Raff and Cawood seem to have formed some sort of connection.. and he is a bit of cutie so I can dig that.. some guys are just born lucky...talent and looks.. where I just got .. what did I get darling? so I promised I wouldn't deck him if he decided to kiss her. Great guy.. better music ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 17:56
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You got the prize, Micky. ------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 17:57
Well, I have no life either but that's beside the point.
 I used to kind of go out of my way looking for stuff but not anymore. If it's not on here, gnosis2000, aural moon, dprp(if I happen to stumble on it)or delicious agony chances are I won't know about it. There might be one or two other places but really this site has most of what I need as far as researching prog goes. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 18:03
 amen sista... don't think I'll ever forget it.. karma is a very real thing and for once boomeranged for me...from the spawn of Satan to an angel flying too close to the ground.. though I've still never figured out even after all these years. why I did. What she sees in me... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 18:10
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Sometimes things just work out right after all. ------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 18:20
Well, I had a horse in the race (or a stable of 3), so for the last year I've made the rounds of many stations, shows, chats, etc for promotion. Met a lot of nice people along the way and discovered a lot of new music...I knew most of the heavy hitters in the arena, but there's a lot that I'd missed and am catching up on. I agree that this site is a great resource. ------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 18:35
| Well, there's a lot of prog that goes under the radar even under many prog fans' radar especially stuff from the 80's and 90's(and now even early 2000's). It seems that unless a band gets big(relatively speaking) they become forgotten in ten years(if not sooner). I think some of it has to do with what is hot or talked about at the moment and there's also the snowball effect. But the truth is a lot of stuff just gets buried and people forget about it(and many never hear about them in the first place). I guess you could say that about any music genre but it's amazing how much that happens in the prog world too. |
Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 18:38
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I think you're on to something there, I think a lot of prog fans are not averse to new sounds, so seeking and finding new music that catches your ear is a part of it....sort of the thrill seekers of the aural world. ------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 18:40
A lot of us just stick to what we're comfortable with. I know I'm guilty of that too. I listen to a lot of different kinds of music but for prog I find myself often getting stuck listening to what I call comfort prog. I guess the regular rock equivalent would be classic rock. I'm not referring to just the classic prog but stuff that sounds like it or is similar.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 18:57
On here and on PE where there's a bunch of like minded people posting about new music, I'm in a number of FB groups that cater to new music, I go to festivals that specialize in none mainstream music, check out newsletters from labels who put out those types of music, bunch of friends who recommend stuff. I'm basically always trawling around for new stuff. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 18:59
Did you ever read Expose magazine? Have you heard of it? Not sure if it's still around but they seemed to focus a lot on the kind of stuff you like.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 19:13
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Never read Exposure, I used to be a big Sounds reader back in the day New discoveries this year Theo Ceccaldi Freaks - recommended on PE and know him from band In Love With I saw at RIO Le Grand Sbam - part of the new young Lyon scene including ni, Poil & the like Plastic Dogs - recommended here for the Avant genre The Comet Is Coming - saw them at Big Ears festival The Utopia Strong - new Kavus Torabi (Guapo & Knifeworld) band, he's a friend on FB Dysrythmia - went to see Behold The Arctopus gig and they were the headliners The Messthetics - recommended by a friend & then saw them at Big Ears Cerberus Shoal - recommended by a friend Sons Of Kemet - associated with The Comet Is Coming, checked them out when researching TCIC Tomeka Reid Quartet - debut release on Cuneiform, I check all their new releases Eclectic Maybe Band - Guy Segers of Univers Zero new band, I follow him on FB Emme Phyzema - met her at the RIO festival and checked out her music Lost Crowns - new band including members of Stars In Battledress & Knifeworld who I'm a fan of Hedvig Mollestad Trio - recommended by a friend I'd say that's a fairly typical year for me ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 19:31
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Cool. Actually it's called Expose and apparently they are online too and have a website(google expose progressive music and it will pop up). I won't post a url here though in case there's some rule about posting links. Some of the writers on there also rate albums on gnosis if you are familiar with that site.
Anyway, I'm kind of surprised Dysrhythmia are still around. They are originally from Philadelphia and I remember seeing them years ago. I think they played with the Red Masque when they used to have other bands on the bill. I even bought a solo acoustic album by Kevin Hufnagel from Kevin himself. Good stuff. I don't know most of the other stuff on your list but I have heard of some of it. I'm into different stuff for the most part but if people enjoy what they hear that's the most important thing. Otherwise why bother?
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 19:42
I have seen it before, it does seem to cover the stuff I like, thanks ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 19:49
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Yeah, it's much more RIO than neo so you don't have much to worry about.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 20:24
I don't know if it is "adapting" as much as it is ... the ability to have enough open-ness within your listening ability to find other things, and learn something new about ... music ... it has been like that for at least 500 years, and it feels like we still don't get it. It's about the "difference" ... not the same thing ... so another post on PA about ... stuff that sounds like ... is just another fan, not really listening to music ... he/she will stop being a music fan in a few years because there won't be enough "good songs" for his iPudd! This is one of the main things I have found with friends along the way in the past 30 years ... many folks that were into PF 30 years ago, at the lake, getting stoned and having a beer with a nice fire at midnight ... not only don't even do anything like that anymore, none of them listen to anything else, or are into the music at all ... or as one of them said after a minute and a half of Ozric Tentacles ... where's the lyrics, man? ... and 10 seconds later he tuned out! Talk about "conditioning" ... and on top of it, thinking that the lyrics make the music/song! For me, and many of us ... totally bizarre! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 23:11
Me, I'm a Wolves fan and very relieved that they went for the so called 'Special one' and not for a genuine top notch coach and guy like the one that we have.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 20 2019 at 23:18
Thanks , I think I did put a lot of obvious ones in there although I felt guilty later for not including one of my favourite bands IQ in one of the lists although I'm not sure what would qualify . Ever is great and would be in a Post 90 list but the cut off of 99 did make it tricky. Hybris is the only one that really deserves it imo. The revival of prog in the 90's did come largely from Scandinavia so should be represented.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 21 2019 at 08:14
Spurs? Who them?  ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 21 2019 at 08:34
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^^ Anyone outside of the U.K. probably won't be aware that Wolves (Wolverhampton Wanderers) and Spurs (Tottenham Hotspur) are football clubs - or soccer clubs to our North American friends here.
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: November 21 2019 at 12:53
Most likely you are right. They certainly appeal a lot to me, and many friends of mine from that era.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: November 21 2019 at 13:21
Another band with a lot of classic music influence is The Psychedelic Ensemble.
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Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: November 21 2019 at 16:49
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Get the Neal Morse Album ?. Drive around at night for 50 minutes with it playing and become the other. ------------- Biggles was in rehab last Saturday |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 22 2019 at 01:40
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: November 22 2019 at 01:48
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I too don't have an ear for much after the 70's. Most of the modern progressive stuff I'm into is metal. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 22 2019 at 06:07
Wow ... so you really think that someone that talks so much art would not be aware, or interested in the EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga ... and the mess that is Brazil ... you are talking to a fan that got the chance to see Pele in Brazil in the city of Araraquara (state of Sao Paolo), even though I think it was a pre-season game. Watching this little guy run circles around everyone, was crazy ... all the kids next to me were going ... where did he go? Shame that Zlatan left the Galaxy, the folks that helped his career get going again! Spurs ... blahhhh ... I was rooting for Rafa ... until the day the owner said ... I pay the bills and I pay you to coach. Go coach the players! And you knew that the team was going to go down, and Rafa tried! I wish the Americans would make Rafa their coach ... !!! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 22 2019 at 10:42
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 22 2019 at 17:33
The music didn't slow down just the mainstream acceptance of it as a contemporary art form.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 22 2019 at 21:49
I'm of the opinion that the music did not slow down ... what hurt the most, specially in America, was the fact that FM radio went commercial, with corporate folks buying out all the independent stations, and almost all of them at the start (in America!!!) were independent, which helped a lot of this music. When the help faded, we immediately said that "prog" died ... for crying out loud, the arts never die, but paying attention to any of them is important, and since we tend to act like lemmings, and always follow the top ten, of course prog died ... no one else "knew" what to listen to and their favorite band was getting old and tired! Music, any ART, NEVER DIES ... it's our ability to see it, that dies ... because we are lazy, and often times stuck on one thing ... and can't see/find ... anything that is not only dressed differently, but also sounds different! Or as my mom, often says ... I hate subtitles and won't watch foreign films ... her LOSS! Modern prog is as good as the older stuff ... we just won't give it a proper/clean, and above all an HONEST listen! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: November 23 2019 at 00:44
It is better than the older stuff and there is more variety. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: November 23 2019 at 00:52
I believe it's less that the listeners are lazy and more that producers and labels have grown more and more risk averse. Also, in watching some of David Hoffman's old clips about the 60s, I wonder if the conditions that produced the counterculture movement will return in a long time. Take away large scale addiction to trippy drugs and suddenly prog is not so cool anymore and is music that requires a lot of patience to appreciate. |
Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: November 23 2019 at 06:35
I agree that this had a lot to do with it, for US audiences...which made the labels stop signing it to sign what was getting airplay and hence, sales. ------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 23 2019 at 06:58
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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: November 23 2019 at 07:05
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Agreed, sort of a domino effect. ------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 23 2019 at 07:22
These are both major contributors. I get the feeling in the 60's and 70's the labels had less of a clue on what they were doing and would take a risk. It's now all big data driven like moneyball baseball and they just follow the numbers based on probability. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 23 2019 at 08:25
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good points about the corporate nature of what rock music and the labels helping 'kill' off prog. They found the best way to sell music to pigeon hole bands and music.. and its listeners. on the flip side.. Napster and its ilk were teh great liberators of prog rock... sticking a knife in the heart of major labels and their grp on music. So hand in hand with the internet/social media at the turn of millenium the prog underwent a renaissance as the internet was not just a place for fans to meet.. and discover teh oldies.. but a new age of indepent production, promotion and distribution came with it. with with all being cyclical again man.. was both the seed of its renaissance 20 odd years ago. but also the seed of its decline ... earlier this decade. The divorce between the prog and progressive camps and the shear glut of music being put out made it difficult for bands to survive, much less actually make anything approaching a living making music, to thrive when everyone and their snake could record and produce prog albums. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: November 23 2019 at 08:53
Zappa had mentioned something of this sort. That the new A&Rs were like, "We know this music and we KNOW this will sell" where the older guys used to say, "I don't know this music but I will take a chance on it".
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 23 2019 at 08:59
| The music industry is about sales and promotion of music that they think will sell. For the most part prog was always a bit of an odd duck and a "hard sell" so when opportunities came along to market and promote other forms that were more accessible the record labels and music business(including radio)didn't hesitate. For the most part those "other" music forms were disco, punk, new wave and arena rock. There's a common belief that punk killed off prog and while there is maybe some truth to that(in so far as it ushered in a shift in what was considered marketable in the music industry)it wasn't the only thing to take down prog. The music industry basically looks for bands and artists they feel the public will go for. I'm talking about the masses here not just a small niche(ie prog fans). Over the years they have become very good at figuring out what sells and what the majority of people want. There's a reason you hardly ever see any experimental or progressive acts on late night tv as musical guests. The media in general still ignores prog and pretty much any music form that is outside the norm because they don't want to "waste" capital on promoting something when they don't think there will be much of an roi and or an acceptance of something that is left field. |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 23 2019 at 09:03
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In the early seventies prog sold very well though, and there was a big appetite for more experimental stuff that could make things commercially viable as would never happen again in later years. So even a record company run by commercial interests only would want to publish some prog and out there stuff. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 23 2019 at 09:06
Don't give napster and their like credit, they're a big part of the reason people think music should be free. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 23 2019 at 09:11
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that's not a moral judgement Ian.. just an intellectual one. Rightly or wrongly.. it changed the way music is made and the prog revival.. the 2nd golden age of prog during the 'oughts' was in large part due to it. Bands were freed from the majors.. and went directly to the audiences... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 23 2019 at 09:14
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Id say music being available on the internet did that not pirates giving away big artist music for free to generate advertising revenue. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 23 2019 at 09:17
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yes what gave rise to that whole notion... Napster.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: November 23 2019 at 09:25
The shock value of punk is way overestimated. Prog, albeit in a depleted and diluted form, would have got past the punk phase but when New Wave came along, labels had no appetite left for prog. I remember a 1979 interview where Renaissance (Annie and John Tout to be specific) speculated that they may have seen off punk. But then New Wave happened and prog rock bands either lost contracts outright or tried to go New Wave (like Ren) and crashed out anyway.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 23 2019 at 09:29
| Punk in it's initial and purist form didn't really last that long but it's influence did. It started a new trend in music that allowed for other things like new wave, gothic, alternative etc. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: November 23 2019 at 09:39
Speaking of which, metal. BECAUSE a lot of progheads, particularly the older ones, don't get or don't like metal, they don't understand how it, at a superficial level, filled the excess and adventure quotient of prog while also being very aggressive and intense music (to hook youngsters). Good new metal music has gone underground like most rock genres but it survives better than most others because that combination gives it a certain enduring appeal. It doesn't matter that there aren't any odd time sigs in Rime of the Ancient Mariner, for instance, or even Hallowed for the most part. That epic structure and long stretches of guitar playing without vocals make it 'bigger' than plain vanilla rock and at the same time, it is kickass in a way prog cannot be. The need to be kickass also imposes limitations on metal but that doesn't stop it filling in for the superficial need that prog satisfied in the 70s. In a sense, it's true what the critics say. It's the pomp and excess that made prog stand out and become popular in the 70s. Those qualities have been appropriated by metal now. It's also easier to listen to metal in say a noisy pub because everything is turned up to 11 and the inability to make out subtle dynamics is not an issue.
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