Magma VS Zeuhl
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Topic: Magma VS Zeuhl
Posted By: friso
Subject: Magma VS Zeuhl
Date Posted: November 26 2019 at 04:32
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Just curious ------------- I'm guitarist and songwriter for the prog-related band Mother Bass. Find us at http://www.motherbass.com. I also enter stages throughout the Netherlands performing my poetry. |
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 26 2019 at 04:41
aren't all the other bands imitating Magma?  |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: November 26 2019 at 05:12
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You could also argue that all zeuhl bands sound like modern classical music played with pop-group instrumentation. ------------- I'm guitarist and songwriter for the prog-related band Mother Bass. Find us at http://www.motherbass.com. I also enter stages throughout the Netherlands performing my poetry. |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: November 26 2019 at 08:10
Or that all zeuhl bands sound like modern post-spiritual-awakening-John-Coltrane spin-offs playing with pop group instrumentation! ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
friso wrote:Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: November 26 2019 at 08:21
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I cannot agree that all "Zeuhl" bands are imitating Magma. Those that left to form their own bands had ideas that were different and many modern artists have been inspired by the "Zeuhl" sound but embellish or frame it with or within other styles, e.g. Universal Totem Orchestra, All Traps on Earth, Setna, Laurent Thibault, Patrick Gauthier, Zao, Yochk'o Seffer, Bondage Fruit, Koenji Hyakkei, Happy Family, Ruins, and Shub-Niggurath--they all have, to my ears, a distinctive sound or structure that makes them different from those of Magma. ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: November 26 2019 at 08:50
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Chinese Zeuhl ------------- |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 26 2019 at 09:43
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I like Universal Totem Orchestra a lot. ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 26 2019 at 14:38
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Magma ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: November 27 2019 at 10:33
Agreed.
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: November 27 2019 at 18:12
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The number of other Zeuhl albums period is probably close to the number of albums in Magma's discography. I like quite a few of those albums, some of them more than Magma, but were I to choose Magma's discography, I think I would be generally left with a more solid set of releases. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music 
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 27 2019 at 18:42
Nailed it, as much as I love Magma I'd miss Setna, Laurent Thibault, Patrick Gauthier, Zao, Yochk'o Seffer, Bondage Fruit, Koenji Hyakkei, Happy Family, Ruins, Shub-Niggurath, Dun, Corima, Combat Astronomy, Eskaton, Guapo, Rhun, Scherzoo, Unit Wail, Vak, Weidorje, Xing Sa more. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: November 27 2019 at 20:50
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I don't know any of these other Zeuhl deals except Magma so I guess I won't vote. But I can't imagine that all of them put together could be as good as MDK.. or other great Magma albums. |
Posted By: socrates17
Date Posted: March 26 2020 at 08:26
| I interpreted the 2nd option to mean all other Zeuhl groups excluding Magma. I.e., I could listen to Shub-Niggurath to my heart's content, but was forbidden from listening to MDK. That is obviously an untenable position, so I had to go with the 1st option. But that doesn't meant that I ONLY like Magma. I like a lot of other Zeuhl bands too, just not as much. Instructions should have been clearer. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: March 26 2020 at 08:54
We have 72 non-Magma Zeuhl bands on the site so I'd suggest this is a little bit off. Even if I include the live albums Magma 'only' have 27. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: March 26 2020 at 11:19
------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 26 2020 at 12:25
| Only Magma. |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 13 2020 at 06:43
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Magma ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: DonovanPunch
Date Posted: February 08 2021 at 07:02
| Donovan Punch - The Peasants of Arbatox vs Infinity - check me out on YouTube Acoustic Guitar Zeuhl music :-) |
Posted By: Tancos
Date Posted: February 08 2021 at 09:39
| I spend more time listening to Tatsuya Yoshida's or Kido Natsuki's various projects than listening to Magma. |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: February 08 2021 at 10:02
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As much as I love some Magma albums, I love more Zeuhl albums not by Magma, than I do Magma albums. The great Magma albums are undoubtedly great, but their discography is definitely not universally great. So if I had to make the choice, as much as it pains me to do it, I would say goodbye to Magma, so that I could still enjoy all those other albums. And while some Zeuhl bands are almost inarguably Magma clones, most have their own sound that might be influenced by Magma, but is certainly in no way derivative of it. So I definitely don’t agree that “all the other bands are imitating Magma”, though I am sure Cristi was joking anyway. But if they are imitating Magma, a lot of them are doing a piss poor job of it, because they sound nothing like Magma! 😜 ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Theprogelitist
Date Posted: February 08 2021 at 16:00
| I don’t like Magma at all but I do like Jannick Top’s Infernal Machina. Furthermore, Eros by Dün and Weidorje S/T are pleasant to these ears |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: February 08 2021 at 16:20
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IMO Zeuhl is the most forced subgenre on PA. xd Many so called "zeuhl" bands are just AvantProg or Fusion. ------------- Bez pierdolenia sygnał zerwie, to w realia wychodź w hełmie! |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: February 08 2021 at 20:38
But... chanting, or whatever...
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: February 08 2021 at 21:20
And all of prog can be reduced down to being simply "snooty rock" but just like clowns we like to paint it all up with pretty names and rejoice in the synthesis of a newborn fledgling sound wriggling out of its birth canal. -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 08 2021 at 21:55
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Hi, I'm not sure that a lot of this poll, and some great listings of various bands, is a good thing ... I keep thinking that a Poll about who came first ... the chicken or the egg ... would probably get better results all around ... but I'm not sure that too many folks look at this as a part of the history of music ... just a bunch of this and that by various groups and too much of the stuff is about the "sound" ... and not the music as it should be. There are way too many out there as good or better than Magma or each other ... but the poll ... kinda hurts ... when it's all about "likes" ... not the music and its internal definitions and value within a timely context ... in which case I would say that Magma might be ahead of the curve, but who knows ... their children went out and did better than dad!  ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Spacegod87
Date Posted: February 09 2021 at 03:02
So I was a clown all along. I knew it. I do like Clown Core and circus jazz, so it makes sense. ------------- Levitating downwards, atomic feedback scream. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: February 09 2021 at 05:00
You do know that this section is specifically for polls and is just a bit of fun right? You don't like polls don't come here. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: February 09 2021 at 06:07
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There should be an option 'I only know Magma of all Zeuhl bands'. In its absence, I have to go with only Magma. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: February 09 2021 at 06:59
We all are. It's just that some of us joined the circus instead of going to it once a year  ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: February 09 2021 at 07:02
Apparently they don't like fun in Grok City. I'm beginning to think that's where the Grinch came from ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: February 09 2021 at 13:20
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If Zeuhl is a separate subgenre, then why not make one for all the ELP clones? I got a name for it. How about SymphoTriorgano'a'palooza-Prog? ------------- Bez pierdolenia sygnał zerwie, to w realia wychodź w hełmie! |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: February 09 2021 at 20:41
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I picked "The others" and it was an easy pick even if I love me some MAGMA. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 09 2021 at 21:57
Did you just inadvertently list the best places to start with Zeuhl after Magma? If so, thanks for the list.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 04:42
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As good as any, you're welcome. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 17:20
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Neither. Emphatically. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 21:57
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^ I guessed that’s what you would say. We are getting too predictable methinks. That’s an option I wish people didn’t include in such things, I guess cause I don’t enjoy negativity or dismissiveness generally. It often comes across as not open-minded or open-eared enough to me. It’s why I stay out of many Neo-Prog and Prog Metal topics, despite the fact that I have found music to like in every category at PA, and had already in my early years here. I just generally prefer to talk with others about the art that I like with like-minded individuals. That said, I don’t think it’s a good idea to stay too much in one’s own bubble, and being exposed to different opinions/ ideas can be useful since I do think that we should be akways questioning our beliefs and opinions. It’s good to be challenged when it’s constructive especially. Anyway, this is not one where I would feel comfortable voting either way, but if I had to choose between my Magma albums and every other album that gets included by people in the greater Zeuhl universe (some of which doesn’t imitate Magma and some of which is only arguably Zeuhl) then Magma lamentedly would be gone. Still, no vote partially as it would depend on how narrowly or broadly one uses the Zeuhl term. There is a greater Zeuhl and Zeuhlish umbrella. Some if it imitates Magma, much of it was inspired by it, and some of it can just have a similar sound without being influenced or directly influenced. By the way, I like the early JRF Magma which some have called more proto-Zeuhl. Magma’s debut is my favourite and would be my favourite album included in the Zeuhl category. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 04:53
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Are you talking small z zeuhl or big Z Zeuhl? ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |