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Topic: Songs from the Wood vs. Heavy Horses
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Subject: Songs from the Wood vs. Heavy Horses
Date Posted: January 27 2020 at 22:30
I've been listening to these a lot lately and can't seem to choose. At times I say Songs from the Wood and then I say Heavy Horses. Which do you like best? 

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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 27 2020 at 22:46
HH, but only just. 

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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: January 27 2020 at 22:59
Ying Yang Both are pretty much equal for me as well, but I usually lean towards Heavy Horses.


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Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: January 27 2020 at 23:33
Songs From The Wood. I haven't heard Heavy Horses in a while but I remember really disliking it the last time and thinking it was just a pale rehash of SftW


Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: January 27 2020 at 23:47
Songs from the Wood is stronger

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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 00:01
SFTW. Semi related question for people here. Am I alone in thinking TAAB side one is MARGINALLY superior to part 2. I’ve finally come around to that album and I think part one is easily one of The best prog epics out there. While part two is good, it isn’t nearly as memorable. Do any of you prefer part two? Curious what your reasoning would be.

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Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 00:37
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

SFTW. Semi related question for people here. Am I alone in thinking TAAB side one is MARGINALLY superior to part 2. I’ve finally come around to that album and I think part one is easily one of The best prog epics out there. While part two is good, it isn’t nearly as memorable. Do any of you prefer part two? Curious what your reasoning would be.


(I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of the word "marginal") I really love the "let me tell you / come all ye young men" section and I think the ending beautifully wraps the whole thing up, but I can't say I really prefer one side that much over the other. Neither is complete without the other I think.


Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 01:16
Songs from The Wood

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 01:42
Heavy Horses


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 01:49
Both equally. Smile


Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 01:52
I really love both, but if I have to choose, itīs Songs.


Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 01:53
Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

Songs From The Wood. I haven't heard Heavy Horses in a while but I remember really disliking it the last time and thinking it was just a pale rehash of SftW
No. You have to listen it again.


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 02:22
despite not having so memorable (read hummable) tracks as SFTW, HH is the better album, IMHO
 
But we're a far cry from the Stand Up to TAAB days.


Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 02:32
SFTW set it all up...a truly magnificent album. No dud tracks to be found

HH is excellent but No Lullaby is 5 minutes too long; Moths I don't particularly care for and One Brown Mouse is sickly sweet and have grown to hate it.

So SFTW all the way.


Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 06:02
Heavy Horses. I like every bit of it.


Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 06:03
Equal - can't decide.

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Posted By: Chaser
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 06:07
Songs from the Wood - great album - puts me in a good mood
 
I've got Heavy Horses, but, so far, it hasn't connected with me in the same way that SFTW does


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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 06:20
both are amazing

can't decide yet


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 06:34
Songs.

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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 06:56
Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

SFTW. Semi related question for people here. Am I alone in thinking TAAB side one is MARGINALLY superior to part 2. I’ve finally come around to that album and I think part one is easily one of The best prog epics out there. While part two is good, it isn’t nearly as memorable. Do any of you prefer part two? Curious what your reasoning would be.


(I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of the word "marginal") I really love the "let me tell you / come all ye young men" section and I think the ending beautifully wraps the whole thing up, but I can't say I really prefer one side that much over the other. Neither is complete without the other I think.


I think personally, my main problem with it is that it’s a little touch-and-go, while part one flows seamlessly. Still a great, 5 star album in my book.

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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 07:05
JT's last two great albums.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 07:08
Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

JT's last two great albums.


yeah, maybe, but I love Roots to Branches and Crest of a Knave. Big smile


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 07:18
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

JT's last two great albums.


yeah, maybe, but I love Roots to Branches and Crest of a Knave. Big smile
Right on! Roots to Branches was great!!

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Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 07:24
Songs From the Woods by a large margin for me. 

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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 07:25
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

JT's last two great albums.


yeah, maybe, but I love Roots to Branches and Crest of a Knave. Big smile
Right on! Roots to Branches was great!!
I like those albums quite much too! And Rock Island & Catfish Rising are not bad albums. Their last two albums I have listened the least, have to listen them again.


Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 07:27
Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

SFTW. Semi related question for people here. Am I alone in thinking TAAB side one is MARGINALLY superior to part 2. I’ve finally come around to that album and I think part one is easily one of The best prog epics out there. While part two is good, it isn’t nearly as memorable. Do any of you prefer part two? Curious what your reasoning would be.


(I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of the word "marginal") I really love the "let me tell you / come all ye young men" section and I think the ending beautifully wraps the whole thing up, but I can't say I really prefer one side that much over the other. Neither is complete without the other I think.
I prefer part two almost as much as one.


Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 07:54
Then:  SFTW
Now: HH

What's remarkable is that HH managed to retain as much folk flavor without repeating what was done on SFTW.   And it's a bit less "hey nonny nonny"


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 08:00
Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Then:  SFTW
Now: HH

What's remarkable is that HH managed to retain as much folk flavor without repeating what was done on SFTW.   And it's a bit less "hey nonny nonny"
I agree. SFTW was definitely more "accessible" where HH was pure folk rock.

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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 08:39
Not having heard Heavy Horses (yet, gonna remedy that), I didn't vote but I do like Songs From The Wood a lot. 


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 09:15
Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Not having heard Heavy Horses (yet, gonna remedy that), I didn't vote but I do like Songs From The Wood a lot. 
 
I thought you may be interested to know there's a 5-CD Jethro Tull box sat available that has both the Heavy Horses album and Songs from the Wood included. Smile


Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 10:12
both equally and highly enjoyable.

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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 15:17
Originally posted by Mormegil Mormegil wrote:

Equal - can't decide.
Me too. Both are great to my ears, and it's always a great pleasure to listen to them. 


Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 17:03
SFTW. HH is a really good album, but SFTW is great. 

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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 21:08
Heavy Horses 


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 21:57
Songs from the Wood for me.


Posted By: Libor10
Date Posted: January 29 2020 at 01:57
Love both albums but if I have to choose, it's Songs from the Wood. And IMO these are not the last good JT records. I really like Stormwatch, The Broadsword and the Beast and Crest of a Knave. Then I lost interest (although I've got the whole JT's discography, I listen to records after CotK very rarely - maybe it's my fault and I should try to change it, but to my ears all last JT records seem to be the same - good music but nothing I could say: well, this is fabulous, fantastic etc.)


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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: January 29 2020 at 03:22
Horses has more grunt. Always wins

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Posted By: Spacegod87
Date Posted: January 29 2020 at 05:50
Really close, but I have to give it to SFTW.


Posted By: Braka1
Date Posted: January 29 2020 at 07:57
Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

Songs From The Wood. I haven't heard Heavy Horses in a while but I remember really disliking it the last time and thinking it was just a pale rehash of SftW


For me it's the other way around. SftW, though it's good, sounds like them finding their new direction, and  HH is its full flowering.  Heavy Horses is a more passionate album to me, and pretty much every song just knocks it out of the park.

Stormwatch is the one that'sounds like the unconvincing third excursion.


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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: January 29 2020 at 09:31
Originally posted by Braka1 Braka1 wrote:

Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

Songs From The Wood. I haven't heard Heavy Horses in a while but I remember really disliking it the last time and thinking it was just a pale rehash of SftW


For me it's the other way around. SftW, though it's good, sounds like them finding their new direction, and  HH is its full flowering.  Heavy Horses is a more passionate album to me, and pretty much every song just knocks it out of the park.

Stormwatch is the one that'sounds like the unconvincing third excursion.

this pretty much exactly

I don't get how HH can be considered a rehash.  It's actually SFTW that is a rehash of what Steeleye Span, Fairport Convention and Horslips did in years past.  I'm not saying it wasn't great or influential, bringing Celtic rock into the mainstream the way those bands could not, but HH may be even more influential.  It's a more subtle take on the genre and I hear its influence in a lot of bands which followed who didn't hit you over the head with the "you know we are celtic rockers" message, like the MORRIGAN.

Stormwatch had some nice parts but lacked for standout material.  That's probably why the JT prog folk era was just a trilogy.  Plus the times were a changing


Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: January 29 2020 at 22:07
Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by Braka1 Braka1 wrote:

Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

Songs From The Wood. I haven't heard Heavy Horses in a while but I remember really disliking it the last time and thinking it was just a pale rehash of SftW


For me it's the other way around. SftW, though it's good, sounds like them finding their new direction, and  HH is its full flowering.  Heavy Horses is a more passionate album to me, and pretty much every song just knocks it out of the park.

Stormwatch is the one that'sounds like the unconvincing third excursion.



this pretty much exactly

I don't get how HH can be considered a rehash.  It's actually SFTW that is a rehash of what Steeleye Span, Fairport Convention and Horslips did in years past.  I'm not saying it wasn't great or influential, bringing Celtic rock into the mainstream the way those bands could not, but HH may be even more influential.  It's a more subtle take on the genre and I hear its influence in a lot of bands which followed who didn't hit you over the head with the "you know we are celtic rockers" message, like the MORRIGAN.

Stormwatch had some nice parts but lacked for standout material.  That's probably why the JT prog folk era was just a trilogy.  Plus the times were a changing


Stormwatch is the best of the remixes. Heaps of quality tracks. Double album worth. I give it close to 5 stars. Horses and Songs remixes both great though but I give Horses the edge for second spot

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 30 2020 at 12:02
SFTW is my favorite Tull album. Heavy Horses and Stormwatch are right behind, with Horses and Minstrel tied.

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Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: January 30 2020 at 16:39
Stormwatch is not Tull's last good album. I, for one, think their Christmas album is fantastic, as well as "A Little Light Music"

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 30 2020 at 18:12
Originally posted by progmatic progmatic wrote:

Stormwatch is not Tull's last good album. I, for one, think their Christmas album is fantastic, as well as "A Little Light Music"
 

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The Broadsword and the Beast
Crest of a Knave
Roots to Branches
The Christmas Album

All fine/superb recordings. I also greatly enjoy Ian's solo album Rupi's Dance.


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Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: January 30 2020 at 18:15
Me too.



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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 30 2020 at 19:40
Even Under Wraps, Rock Island, Catfish and Dot Com, folks. Far from their best works but always a good, fun listen.

Yes, you read it right, even Under Wraps (many solid compositions on that one).

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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 31 2020 at 01:52
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Even Under Wraps, Rock Island, Catfish and Dot Com, folks. Far from their best works but always a good, fun listen.

Yes, you read it right, even Under Wraps (many solid compositions on that one).
It was just few years ago I listened whole Under Wraps (have just heard few pieces from it). I was suprised about it, it wasnīt as bad as itīs reputation is! Under Wraps part 2 had of course been really great piece to me already, but there were others almost as great pieces.


Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 31 2020 at 03:39
BTW, havenīt yet listened Ianīs TAAB2, do you think itīs worth of listening? For example comparing Tullīs final albums?


Posted By: Enchant X
Date Posted: January 31 2020 at 03:44
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Both equally. Smile
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Posted By: Junges
Date Posted: January 31 2020 at 04:10
Songs From The Wood, easily.

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Posted By: thief
Date Posted: January 31 2020 at 05:31
Normally I prefer Songs from the Wood by a tiny hair. But since it has a sizeable lead, I'm gonna close the gap a little. ;)

Feel free to check my Jethro reviews on PA, only a few albums are missing! :)


Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: January 31 2020 at 06:17
I think TAAB2 is excellent. Saw Anderson do it live after performing TAAB in its entirety for the first half of show -- what a great concert!

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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 31 2020 at 06:53
Originally posted by progmatic progmatic wrote:

I think TAAB2 is excellent. Saw Anderson do it live after performing TAAB in its entirety for the first half of show -- what a great concert!
Great to hear, I will listen it! I read about that TAAB-tour many years after that, really would have wanted to be there!! I saw Jethro in the nineties, I think it was 25th celebration tour, then they played only that short version. Anyway one of the greatest gigs Iīve seen!


Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: January 31 2020 at 07:00
A draw for me, can't click one without thinking how good the other one also is.

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Posted By: Braka1
Date Posted: January 31 2020 at 07:26
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by progmatic progmatic wrote:

Stormwatch is not Tull's last good album. I, for one, think their Christmas album is fantastic, as well as "A Little Light Music"
 

A
The Broadsword and the Beast
Crest of a Knave
Roots to Branches
The Christmas Album

All fine/superb recordings. I also greatly enjoy Ian's solo album Rupi's Dance.


I remember listening to 'A' for the first time, and thinking it was pretty disappointing - then seeing the video that was out at the time, and thinking it was great in concert.  Unfortunately I never did fall in love with the album.


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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: January 31 2020 at 09:08
Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Even Under Wraps, Rock Island, Catfish and Dot Com, folks. Far from their best works but always a good, fun listen.

Yes, you read it right, even Under Wraps (many solid compositions on that one).
It was just few years ago I listened whole Under Wraps (have just heard few pieces from it). I was suprised about it, it wasnīt as bad as itīs reputation is! Under Wraps part 2 had of course been really great piece to me already, but there were others almost as great pieces.

I remember reading somewhere that Under Wraps was Martin Barre's favorite Tull album.


Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: January 31 2020 at 12:08
Living in these hard times 1 and 2 are classic Tull

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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: January 31 2020 at 15:59
Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Even Under Wraps, Rock Island, Catfish and Dot Com, folks. Far from their best works but always a good, fun listen.

Yes, you read it right, even Under Wraps (many solid compositions on that one).
It was just few years ago I listened whole Under Wraps (have just heard few pieces from it). I was suprised about it, it wasnīt as bad as itīs reputation is! Under Wraps part 2 had of course been really great piece to me already, but there were others almost as great pieces.

I remember reading somewhere that Under Wraps was Martin Barre's favorite Tull album.


Correct!

Underwraps gets an overall bad rap (pun intended) but there are some great compositions there. I actually like it a lot. Saboteur is an undiscovered Tull classic. If only Doane Perry had joined a little earlier and drummed on it, rather than having a robot do it!


Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: January 31 2020 at 22:32
Originally posted by BarryGlibb BarryGlibb wrote:

Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Even Under Wraps, Rock Island, Catfish and Dot Com, folks. Far from their best works but always a good, fun listen.

Yes, you read it right, even Under Wraps (many solid compositions on that one).
It was just few years ago I listened whole Under Wraps (have just heard few pieces from it). I was suprised about it, it wasnīt as bad as itīs reputation is! Under Wraps part 2 had of course been really great piece to me already, but there were others almost as great pieces.


I remember reading somewhere that Under Wraps was Martin Barre's favorite Tull album.


Correct!

Underwraps gets an overall bad rap (pun intended) but there are some great compositions there. I actually like it a lot. Saboteur is an undiscovered Tull classic. If only Doane Perry had joined a little earlier and drummed on it, rather than having a robot do it!


Would love Wilson to remix it. The high and low frequencies are way too high. The Ludwig samples should come up good with those frequencies toned down

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Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 14 2020 at 08:05
SFTW

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