non-progressive !!!
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Topic: non-progressive !!!
Posted By: horza
Subject: non-progressive !!!
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:10
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lets have a definitive list of bands who are NOT prog !!
its getting out of hand who we seem to be squeezing in -lets have people name bands who ain't prog,ARE there any ????  first person to name a band who they say are NOT prog that someone demonstrates IS prog,loses  ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:14
ok i'll begin - Milli Vanilli ain't prog ---next  ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:16
| Lets see Green Day certainly aint prog |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:18
thats the idea  good i'm sure there must be at least 7 or 8 bands from the late 60s who ain't prog  ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:18
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How dare you beat me to it?! whatever, good charlotte ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Franklinstower3 wrote:
Posted By: transend
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:26
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Well...Tony Orlando and Dawn had some progressive tendencies with 'Tie that yellow ribbon..' so maybe they SHOULD be added... On the other hand....Yes and ELP sound nothing like 'Primus' and they obviously ARE prog... Then.. OK, I vote for 'The Carpenters' , DOH....they covered 'Calling occupant of interplanetary craft' a VERY proggy song by Klaatu, so they are out....hummm Hows about 'Wham!' ...though, I have my reservations about 'Club tropicana', the bass playing was awfully good on that number..maybe they should be on here? 'Venom'?? OOhh no, that 20+ min epic of death metal 'At war with satan' makes them total prog.. Right, will go with 'Chas and Dave'...'Gertcha' was not prog in any way. Thats my choice. |
Posted By: tortellino
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:28
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QUEEN ARE NOT PROG! They never used synthesizers, the instrument another topic deemed "almost necessary" to prog bands; when they did use them, it was to record an awful DANCE album! Also, no prog band (to my knowledge) released a posthumous album 4 years after the death of the singer... And, last but not least, remember that Brian May got to play on a single with boyband 5IVE (We Will Rot You!)... What about Steve Hackett soloing on next BLUE album? 'Nuff Said
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:28
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Radiohead Nightwish Mercury Rev Arcade Fire  Muse AC/DC MARIAH CAREY!!! (cowers behind washing machine) Deep Purple Queen ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: stinkfist
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:31
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styx styx styx styx and oh yea STYX i hate the fact that styx is on this site it pisses me off ------------- how can this mean anything to me? when i really dont feel a thing at all |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:32
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shame on you!!!! ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:33
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Deep Purple had prog albums like Concerto and April. Queen had some prog songs, especially on their early albums. some more good ones:
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Posted By: tortellino
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:33
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Franklinstower, you lose! On the American Idiot CD, Green Day included two 9+ minutes epic, with multiple parts, choruses and tempo changes! Plus, the whole album is a CONCEPT! Hope at least you're into GRATEFUL DEAD, given your nickname... I love them! |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:34
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:35
please don't tell me you like them greenday sucks they are sh*t and whatever they do they're not prog and NOTHING WILL EVER MAKE THEM PROG http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6776&KW=green+day - click me ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:40
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ok, from a different category:
and more....
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:43
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The brilliant famous walrus band ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: transend
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:44
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Can't go wrong with The Dead......they are so bloody underrated by the prog community..my fave band are Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd and the Dead Also, important for all you stereotypers out there, I have never smoked a cigarette of ANY kind in my life or taken any drug.......well, except caffeine in ludicrous doses.. |
Posted By: tortellino
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:48
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Don't worry, Miracle, there's no way I could like Green Day! They're nothing like prog, but I tought I got some good point to make them "sound" prog... It's just a game! Other non-prog band: The Corrs, Gwar, Anal c**t, Spice Girls... |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:53
^thats a relief I thought you actually liked them  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:53
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ya Grateful Dead are awesome Oh wait green Day realised a concept album well then i do lose we should also add Drive by truckers, the who, brian wilson! |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:57
But not prog a band doesn't have to be prog to be good... and no, however many concept albums they make, nothing can make them prog. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: penguindf12
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 22:45
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who the hell cares?!!! |
Posted By: Zooka_Jesus
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 22:57
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ELP ------------- Gentle Gaint owns every prog band 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 23:01
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you loose
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Posted By: Toob-Wurm
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 23:28
Dang, you beat me to it... Oh well... Crazy Town (The other Limp Bizkit). ------------- 
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Posted By: ulver982
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 00:06
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Cruachan, Abigor, Grimfist, Primordial, Absu, Acid Bath, Aeternus, Agathodaimon, Anal c**t, At The Gates, Bal Sagoth, Bethlehem, Bloodbath, Dark Funeral, Dissection, Destoryer 666, Godkiller, Isengard, Khold, Moonspell, My Dying Bride, Old Man's Child, Opera IX, Rotting Christ, Samael, Sear Bliss, Stormlord, Troll, Twin Obscenity, Unholy, Ved Buens Ende, Elend ------------- Improvement makes straight roads, but the crooked roads without improvement, are roads of genius. Silence is the music of the future. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 00:09
Anal c**t are prog ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 00:12
Then we have to get Korn out of the way. Korn ain't prog (their drummer is good though)
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Posted By: Fearless
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 00:20
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I like them a lot!
They're one of my favorite bands...
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Just kidding.Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 00:52
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Europe. ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 06:16
A prog album could! The Ramones ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 06:40
the Who ain't prog 
 ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 06:47
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/\ /\ /\ You are right they are not prog, but still they are on of my favorite bands. You can love none prog artists or bands you know, its not a crime There are more none prog bands i like then prog bands yust too let you know ------------- 
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Posted By: Pafnutij
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 07:04
Yngwie Malmsteen has his Concerto Suite and a weird name, so how come he isnt in the archives? |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 07:53
You just made all those up! |
Posted By: Pafnutij
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 08:01
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You're too optimistic. |
Posted By: Gorloche
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 09:10
I think everyone realized how ungodly stupid you are after reading this. Prog is determined by musical prowess and application of complex theories or just complex bumblings. You, most certainly, ahve only heard the more "classic" of prog bands. Expand your horrizons a bit before making blanket statements about a bands career next time. |
Posted By: ulver982
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 09:41
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Weird Al Yankovic !!!!!! ------------- Improvement makes straight roads, but the crooked roads without improvement, are roads of genius. Silence is the music of the future. |
Posted By: The Minstrel
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 09:43
| Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, and Metallica. |
Posted By: RaphaelT
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 09:54
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The Clash, The Wailers and similar crap. ------------- yet you still have time! |
Posted By: lordoflight
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 09:56
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[QUOTE=tortellino]
QUEEN ARE NOT PROG! They never used synthesizers, the instrument another topic deemed "almost necessary" to prog bands; when they did use them, it was to record an awful DANCE album! Also, no prog band (to my knowledge) released a posthumous album 4 years after the death of the singer... And, last but not least, remember that Brian May got to play on a single with boyband 5IVE (We Will Rot You!)... What about Steve Hackett soloing on next BLUE album? 'Nuff Said Idiot |
Posted By: DACE
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 10:01
| Any punk band. |
Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 14:51
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Wait, so is the general opinion here that prog is everything besides the really crappy bands 13 year olds listen to? ------------- 
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Posted By: Suki
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 15:14
God. I've never seen a list that terrible in my life... |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 15:34
pretty soon some of these may be in the top 100 prog listing ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 15:47
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Except The Stranglers |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 15:48
| QUEEN ARE NOT PROG |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 15:51
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Neither are Kingdom Come ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 15:51
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Queen are prog - Queen II is a masterpiece of prog rock. Who needs synthesisers? It's about the MUSIC!!! Radiohead are prog - OK Computer is a masterpiece of prog rock, and bot Kid A and Amnesiac are pretty damn awesome. I've yet to hear anything resembling prog rock in Dream Theater, so that's my choice. They are not prog - hell, they're not even progressive. Regressive and regurgitative, more like. While I'm on the subject, what's so progressive about Opeth? I haven't heard any prog in their music whatsoever. Some metal riffs with a few quieter bits. Iron Maiden did that, didn't they? There's more prog in Deep Purple or Uriah Heep than Opeth. And that ain't my opinion neither. "Crime of the Century" by Supertramp contains more prog than Opeth and Dream Theater's back catalogue to date as far as I can hear.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 15:56
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Welcome back Certif1ed! I wonder what your definition of prog is ... can you name specific elements that Deep Purple have and Dream Theater lack? Just curious ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 16:01
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i'd rather have supertramp in prog than the who
and opeth and coheed & cambria are at the forefront of the prog resurgence ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 17:21
If I only had the time, me old mucker... But let's start here; Deep Purple : Example 1. "In Rock". Very progressive at the time it was released. On Harvest - one of the prog labels. Still considered progressive today by many, although debated by those who don't hear it. Riffs largely original, although "Child In Time" nicked from somewhere else - doesn't matter too much, as the style is utterly unique to Deep Purple - they progressed the music. Loose approach to composition means that the standard rock format is subjected to all kinds of pushing and subtle twisting, and the music itself organically developed. Music generally has aggressive, posturing attitude worthy of metal and borrows not only from the catalogue of true rock'n'roll ("Good Golly said-a Little Miss Molly", etc.), but hints at jazz and the classics in a rather pretentious manner. Dream Theater : Example 1. "Images and Words". Not very progressive - in fact, highly derivative. Plenty of riffs nicked verbatim from elsewhere (Metallica are the most obvious) - not progressed, just recycled or maybe one or two notes changed. Tight approach to composition means that the structures are completely locked in - old, tired rock structures with nothing new to add, no flow (so lack of actual "rock"), no attitude behind the music - indeed, it's hard to detect any soul at all behind the precise, mechanical almost unnatural and non-organic playing style which is just too precise for rock and would be more suited to re-interpreting classical music (but could do with gaining a little feeling!).
I could go on, but you know, things to do, people to have a go at, that sort of thing
Cert out - probably until next Sunday. |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 17:42
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Hard to argue with the above sentiments- I utterly love 'Deep Purple In Rock', and always found 'Child In Time' to be one of the great prog epics. Its influence is huge- certainly bands like Quatermass, Uriah Heep (apparently in the opposite studio where DP recorded 'In Rock') and Atomic Rooster had heard it. Certainly little before it sounded quite like this- that makes it progressive rock, surely? I like Dream Theater and would take them over the insipid indie by bands like Coldplay any day, but I can't ever remember much about their stuff after its over. I do think it's more metal than prog really, but there is definitely a prog element- I hear the influence of Metallica, Steve Vai, Queensryche and Megadeth, but also the influence of Rush, King Crimson and Yes in DT's work. |
Posted By: Spadger
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 22:13
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About The Who - I agree, definately not prog. With the exception of Quadrophenia, which has some truly intricate progressive music, is a coherent concept album, and stretched their capabilities outside of the pure rock format. The rest of their catalog wouldn't belong here. ------------- A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing. |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 22:53
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 22:54
| How about the Rolling Stones? I think it is safe to say they're not prog. |
Posted By: FishyMonkey
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 22:57
No, those are definitely all real bands. Some of them aren't bad either...all obscure metla bands. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/FishyMonkey/?chartstyle=artists"> 
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Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 00:19
I absolutely love Cruachan. And I'm sure someone could be able to justify their being here, as they sound sort of like a more metal-ish Renaissance. -------------
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 00:54
Time for the resident Opeth fanboy to launch into action. If you really need justification for qualifying Opeth as prog, just listen to Damnation. The album is shamelessly progressive, on the Lamentations DVD Mikael declares "That song was a Camel ripoff" after the band plays "Ending Credits". It's saturated in mellotron, and while it's not their most complex effort, it would sound like something a seminal 70s prog band could have made were it not for Steven Wilson's fantastic and very advanced production. In addition to that, listen to any of their metal albums. They've explored concept albums, they have extremely complex song structures which cover countless moods and sounds (not to mention have more time signature changes than one can count), their musicianship is incredible, yet (unlike some bands... *cough*Dreamtheater*cough*) never excessive, instead designed more for the purpose of creating mood and atmosphere. To dismiss them simply as "metal riffs with a few quiet bits" absolutely fails to do their diversity justice. Listen to their new album Ghost Reveries. "Ghost of Perdition" sounds almost like a Tool song and "The Grand Conjuration" utilizes some weird polyrhythms and time signatures while almost touching on black metal, while "Atonement" wouldn't be out of place on a 60s psychedelic album and "Hours of Wealth" is almost bluesy sounding. My Arms, Your Hearse delivers material like the gorgeous and extremely Floydian "Epilogue" or delicate acoustic balladry with "Credence", yet alternately switches to crushing yet highly ambitious death metal on tracks like "Demon of the Fall" or "Karma". Or on Blackwater Park... I'm doubtful that anybody unfamilliar with Opeth could listen to "The Leper Affinity" and "Patterns in the Ivy" while having any idea that it's the same band. I feel sort of bad for Opeth, their music puts them in a bad position. Metal communities consider them boring and pretentious, yet prog communities question their credentials as a prog band (although after Damnation and Ghost Reveries, I really struggle to see how). I realize that I'm not going to sway you on this one Cert, but they should at least be given credit for breaking new ground and pushing the boundaries in the increasingly stale death metal scene (I realize that doesn't make them prog, that's not my point here). |
Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 03:29
I like Cruachan too, I just wish they would get rid of the death metal vocals completely. In fact, that's a problem I have with the whole folk-metal genre - most of the bands tend to be death/black metal bands. I have found some that aren't though - Skyclad, Elvenking (although they do have the very occasional death growl), Wuthering Heights and Korpiklaani (I've only heard a couple of mp3s from them, but they sound promising). ------------- Be or be not. There is no question. - Yoda, Prince of Denmark |