Evolution of Prog in the 2010s
Printed From: Progarchives.com
Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Prog Music Lounge
Forum Description: General progressive music discussions
URL: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=125276
Printed Date: August 09 2025 at 07:12 Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 11.01 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: Evolution of Prog in the 2010s
Posted By: Iacób
Subject: Evolution of Prog in the 2010s
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 09:08
Has any new Symphonic or Neo Prog subgenres or regional scenes formed this last decade? If so, what are the the bands and the characteristics of the genre, or scene?
|
Replies:
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 09:11
A subgenre of a subgenre? Not that I know of.
|
Posted By: Iacób
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 09:24
Not necessarily a new subgenre, I'm just wondering what where the trends in the two genres this last decade, other than the retro trend that appears to be common, especially in Symphonic Prog.
|
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 09:40
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 09:49
In terms of regional scenes, I was watching a documentary on Luton, England recently. It has a vibrant Irish and Pakistani community. While I don’t know know of this being a thing, I was thinking, just now, that like with the Canterbury Scene, perhaps there could be a Luton Scene: Anglo Irish Prog / Pakistani Rock (referencing Indo-Prog/ Raga Rock). But that would not need to be so modern. Since Prog can take from any musical sources and adapt and add that into a mix, one could imagine there being other things. Maybe there is Trap Prog and Cloud Prog, which would be popular trends of the past decade. There has been a trend for some time in the DIY SoundCloud type performers making Prog on computers. There is Prog Trap tag on bandcamp, but I think that is more progressive house/ IDM. I have heard ones that could fit as Prog as we use it, but I don’t remember the names off the top of my head and don’t feel like researching much now. As for Neo Prog related, there might be some “Post-Neo New Nu Prog” ones.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
|
Posted By: Iacób
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 10:07
Actually, I want a discussion about the genres. I'm sorry about the vague wording, wasn't quite sure how to phrase the original question.
|
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 10:25
Lyon, France has an interesting avant-prog scene. I don't know if the scene has been given a name and how far back it goes. Bands in it include PoiL, ni, Le Grand Sbam, Scherzoo, Chromb!, and some others that I'm sure I'm missing.
I'm not aware of any scenes focused on symphonic/neo prog, though it seemed like neo prog was thriving in the Netherlands and Poland in the 2010s. That's just a perception. I don't have data to back that up.
------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions
|
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 10:27
I wish your question was a bit more broad and went back a little bit further. For example, I think there's been a lot of alternative and indie influences in prog in the past 10-15 years that you didn't really see in the eighties or 90's that much(if at all). I don't know if alternative prog is a genre or subgenre though. There's also been metal in prog without being outright prog metal(most of it probably still gets labeled prog metal by most though). Other than those I don't really know of any specific scenes(regional or otherwise). A lot of the stuff I mentioned though(especially the prog with alternative elements)would probably be categorized as crossover prog on here.
|
Posted By: Iacób
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 11:32
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
I wish your question was a bit more broad and went back a little bit further. For example, I think there's been a lot of alternative and indie influences in prog in the past 10-15 years that you didn't really see in the eighties or 90's that much(if at all). I don't know if alternative prog is a genre or subgenre though. There's also been metal in prog without being outright prog metal(most of it probably still gets labeled prog metal by most though). Other than those I don't really know of any specific scenes(regional or otherwise). A lot of the stuff I mentioned though(especially the prog with alternative elements)would probably be categorized as crossover prog on here. |
Sorry about the late reply, but to answer your post, I agree, I would like to expand the scope of this discussion to the last 20 years, and about the alternative and indie rock influenced prog bands, are they really prog rock bands influenced by indie rock, or are they prog influenced indie rock bands, thats a discussion I would like to see.
|
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 13:35
If doing that, then I think 20 years years is still so arbitrary, and I would go back at least to the 90s for prog influenced indie rock and alternative rock bands and prog rock bands influenced by Indie and alternative rock. And I would say that they are both to answer your question, and they overlap. And a band can be Prog/ Alternative Rock/ and Indie Rock.
Alt. Prog, alternative Prog, also known as Nu Prog and New Prog is a thing and there are lots of Indie Rock bands that also make prog or proggy music.
It's a topic which might be helped if you do some research and present your thesis and results first and then we can delve into your research, and maybe then people will learn something from you. Then as other respond you can respond and go deep with them. Questions are fine and good, but I do think it helps when one tries to answer them oneself, researches and forms opinions, and then presents that to others while asking others the question too.
20 or so years is fine for certain things. 30 might be better. I don't think one need to be too hung up on temporal limitations when it comes your latest question.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
|
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 13:40
progaardvark wrote:
Lyon, France has an interesting avant-prog scene. I don't know if the scene has been given a name and how far back it goes. Bands in it include PoiL, ni, Le Grand Sbam, Scherzoo, Chromb!, and some others that I'm sure I'm missing.
I'm not aware of any scenes focused on symphonic/neo prog, though it seemed like neo prog was thriving in the Netherlands and Poland in the 2010s. That's just a perception. I don't have data to back that up. |
Beat me to it, wonderful scene. Not prog but there's a vibrant nu jazz scene in London bringing Afro Caribbean and techno to jazz.
------------- Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
|
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 13:54
I doubt there are many new explorations in Symph since it's a dated sub-genre with facets that are inherently not very new. Most Symph bands nowadays would be kind of retro. Nothing wrong with that. But if you're looking for development, you'll find some in the more eclectic niches that are closer to Avant, Electronic, or Jazz. Canterbury or Post-Metal would be good examples.
|
Posted By: Iacób
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 15:01
Logan wrote:
If doing that, then I think 20 years years is still so arbitrary, and I would go back at least to the 90s for prog influenced indie rock and alternative rock bands and prog rock bands influenced by Indie and alternative rock. And I would say that they are both to answer your question, and they overlap. And a band can be Prog/ Alternative Rock/ and Indie Rock.
Alt. Prog, alternative Prog, also known as Nu Prog and New Prog is a thing and there are lots of Indie Rock bands that also make prog or proggy music.
It's a topic which might be helped if you do some research and present your thesis and results first and then we can delve into your research, and maybe then people will learn something from you. Then as other respond you can respond and go deep with them. Questions are fine and good, but I do think it helps when one tries to answer them oneself, researches and forms opinions, and then presents that to others while asking others the question too.
20 or so years is fine for certain things. 30 might be better. I don't think one need to be too hung up on temporal limitations when it comes your latest question.
|
The problem is that whenever I've tried on the internet I find nothing, and if I tried looking up new bands on YouTube I'm afraid I'd just find either retro bands, or proggy alt rock bands.
|
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 15:13
Iacób wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
I wish your question was a bit more broad and went back a little bit further. For example, I think there's been a lot of alternative and indie influences in prog in the past 10-15 years that you didn't really see in the eighties or 90's that much(if at all). I don't know if alternative prog is a genre or subgenre though. There's also been metal in prog without being outright prog metal(most of it probably still gets labeled prog metal by most though). Other than those I don't really know of any specific scenes(regional or otherwise). A lot of the stuff I mentioned though(especially the prog with alternative elements)would probably be categorized as crossover prog on here. |
Sorry about the late reply, but to answer your post, I agree, I would like to expand the scope of this discussion to the last 20 years, and about the alternative and indie rock influenced prog bands, are they really prog rock bands influenced by indie rock, or are they prog influenced indie rock bands, thats a discussion I would like to see. |
I would like to see that discussion too. I think ultimately it depends on the band though. I don't think muse are typically considered prog but Tool are. Where the cut off is I don't know. There also seems to be a strain of thought where if a band becomes super big they can't be considered prog. I think that's why some don't consider Tool or Radiohead to be prog and maybe a few others. Anyway, I would think one way to see if a band is more prog than their influences would be to see if they are listed on this site. If they are mostly alternative with some prog influences then they either wouldn't make it on here or would be prog related at best.
|
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 15:19
That Indie prog v. proggy indie pop offers a discussion that, while interesting, would result in little or no clarity. And, yes, it does seem as if a lot of these bands are eeking their way into the Crossover sub-genre (Muse, 3RDegree, Major Parkinson, Pingvinorkestern, iamthemorning, Ghosts of Jupiter, Syd Arthur, Tame Impala, Doves come to mind).
Also, the Indie pop electronica scene seems to be finding favor with prog listeners. (James Blake, Sampha, Arca, Sohn, Julia Holter, Alto Palo, Demen, and Steve Hauschildt have been exploring this scene.)
Also, a "chamber prog" movement feels as if it's on the rise with many bands reverting to strings, choir, and other instruments normally associated with the "classical music" scene to enhance or even dominate their musical constructs. I'm thinking of bands like iamthemorning, Hammock, Eyot, Jakob, Cicada, Five-Storey Ensemble, Corde Oblique, and more.
Also, I feel as if their is a burgeoning presence of "funked up" psych-jazz-pop (what I've been calling "West Coast Psychedelic Groove" prog)--artists like Brian Ellis, Starving Daughters, Dungen, Midlife, Sula Bassana, Arnaud Bukwald, Stillehavet, Lagartija, Psychic Equalizer, The Winstons, Tame Impala, Three Trapped Tigers, Ex Canix, Fly Pan Am, Alto Palo, Fuzz Puddle, Once and Future Band, Syd Arthur, Earth, Invisible, Dutch Uncles, Magic Bus, iNFiNiEN, Inner Ear Brigade, and Toe come to mind off the top of my head.
Then there could be something like a "Prog Cabaret" sub to accommodate those artists whose musics feel blatantly stage theatric like Seven Steps to the Green Door, That Joe Payne, Matthew Parmenter, Knifeworld, The Moulettes, and more.
------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/
|
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 16:57
progaardvark wrote:
Lyon, France has an interesting avant-prog scene. I don't know if the scene has been given a name and how far back it goes. Bands in it include PoiL, ni, Le Grand Sbam, Scherzoo, Chromb!, and some others that I'm sure I'm missing.
|
Beat me to it as well. This is really the onlly 'scene' I can think of in terms of a dedicated group in a small location mining the same area kind of way in the prog realm from the 2010s.
------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
|
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: January 29 2021 at 00:37
BrufordFreak wrote:
That Indie prog v. proggy indie pop offers a discussion that, while interesting, would result in little or no clarity. And, yes, it does seem as if a lot of these bands are eeking their way into the Crossover sub-genre (Muse, 3RDegree, Major Parkinson, Pingvinorkestern, iamthemorning, Ghosts of Jupiter, Syd Arthur, Tame Impala, Doves come to mind).
Also, the Indie pop electronica scene seems to be finding favor with prog listeners. (James Blake, Sampha, Arca, Sohn, Julia Holter, Alto Palo, Demen, and Steve Hauschildt have been exploring this scene.)
Also, a "chamber prog" movement feels as if it's on the rise with many bands reverting to strings, choir, and other instruments normally associated with the "classical music" scene to enhance or even dominate their musical constructs. I'm thinking of bands like iamthemorning, Hammock, Eyot, Jakob, Cicada, Five-Storey Ensemble, Corde Oblique, and more.
Also, I feel as if their is a burgeoning presence of "funked up" psych-jazz-pop (what I've been calling "West Coast Psychedelic Groove" prog)--artists like Brian Ellis, Starving Daughters, Dungen, Midlife, Sula Bassana, Arnaud Bukwald, Stillehavet, Lagartija, Psychic Equalizer, The Winstons, Tame Impala, Three Trapped Tigers, Ex Canix, Fly Pan Am, Alto Palo, Fuzz Puddle, Once and Future Band, Syd Arthur, Earth, Invisible, Dutch Uncles, Magic Bus, iNFiNiEN, Inner Ear Brigade, and Toe come to mind off the top of my head.
Then there could be something like a "Prog Cabaret" sub to accommodate those artists whose musics feel blatantly stage theatric like Seven Steps to the Green Door, That Joe Payne, Matthew Parmenter, Knifeworld, The Moulettes, and more. |
That funky Jazz-Pop you're referring to is probably Nu Jazz. At least, some of those you mentioned are. Tame Impala for sure, as well as Thundercat Hiatus Kaiyote, etc. It's all these musicians who clearly know Jazz language but enjoy writing accessible, funky music that incorporates elements many would consider proggy. I think these people are some of the most "progressive" in the field of music right now.
|
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: January 30 2021 at 08:20
I think the most noticable devolopment in neo-progressive is the main groups going more towards a sympho-metal-pop style. Bands like Arena en Knight Area. A lot of neoprog is borderline crossover prog and vice versa. Only IQ seems to have progressed futher in fullblown neo-progressive style with The Road of Bones and Resistance.
------------- I'm guitarist and songwriter for the prog-related band Mother Bass. Find us at http://www.motherbass.com. I also enter stages throughout the Netherlands performing my poetry.
|
|