Is "Roundabout" POP?
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Topic: Is "Roundabout" POP?
Posted By: eduardossc
Subject: Is "Roundabout" POP?
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 15:11
Just wondering. Is Roundabout a POP song with superb instrumentation?. Prog-pop perhaps ?
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Posted By: Cygnus X-1
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 15:13
i think owner of a lonely heart is much more "pop"
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Posted By: cmidkiff
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 15:20
No. Look at the changes and the arrangement of chords.
However, it did somehow make it on the charts. ..Which would make it a popular song thus making it pop.
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Posted By: Pr@gmatic
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 15:20
^ Agreed.
Roundabout has the complexity factor at least.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 15:41
Too long and complex to be pop, but it's definitely one of the
"catchier" prog songs (once the bass and drums kick in). Awesome chorus
as well. It didn't make the charts in the UK, wouldn't it be good to
hear songs like that on the radio.
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Posted By: geezer
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 15:52
It is quite poppish and no wonder I hate that song. It is even
sometimes played in the radio here in Finland so that should speak for
itself.
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Posted By: RoyalJelly
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 16:01
Strange as it may seem now, back in the early seventies, it was
still unclear as to which direction pop music would go, ie. it
wasn't so defined as it appears today, (as if pop means only 3
chords, and anything with 4 or 5 would be "progressive"). There
was a big diversity of styles, everything from Santana to
Jefferson Airplane/Starship, even Tull's "Living in the Past" in
5/8, that was a top 40 pop hit, "Roundabout" was constantly on
the radio, and anything seemed possible, the audience for this
stuff was HUGE. There was still an air of experimentation in
pop music, and nobody wanted to hear retro anything, only
new sounds were considered cool. Then the music industry
clamped down, and recycling became a much easier means of
fabricating hits and controlling the market, don't experiment,
always stay with the tried and tested!!!
Thus came the word POP to symbolize commercial bubble-
gum, and anything a BIT more interesting became that weird,
freaked-out British fairy music you guys call "progressive".
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Posted By: Yams
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 16:20
It's a prog song that became popular I would say. I hear it on the raido every so often (read: almost never now).
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Posted By: WillieThePimp
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 16:32
Roundabout's popularity is similiar to Pink Floyd's "Money". They both
have odd time signatures and changes, but yet they are the most popular
songs (to the mainstream audience) from both groups.
I think they both rock pretty hard but at the same time have catchy lyrics and choruses, and that is how they became pop songs.
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 16:39
Pop? The band released a shortened version as a hit single, and Rick Wakeman called that "a musical abortion".
Maybe we should call the single version "pop" and the album version "progressive rock". How about that? 
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Posted By: Philrod
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 16:40
I have always felt it had a pop ''feel'' to it, but not purely poppish of course!
Not your common 4/4 song, but the atmosphere, the recurrent bassline, etc. makes it somewhat of a poppish song.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 16:41
^ Yea, that's a clever conclusion!
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Posted By: flying teapot
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 16:42
I would agree with Royal Jelly, thing were less defined at the end of the sixties. That is how we can see Santana, jefferson airplane, Yes, the Moodies, or Janis Joplin on the pop chart. Music was evolving rapidly, the short 3 minute dities were on their way out, and longer cuts became radio play as FM radio started to expand...Then came AOR radio, and I remember seeing some long songs in the charts...In a Gadda da Vida,By iron Buttelfy, "Music",By John Miles (great song), There was song by Eric Carmen that was long, and charted well, and i also remember something from a duo of piano players, Twins I believe called Mark and Clark that was very extensive and charted well in Holland.
I think Yes has done Poppier things than Roundabout, and one problem if you hear a song often or played to death you will soon enough learn to hate it. Roundabout may have suffered from that, but technically and musically it is a masterpiece and well crafted piece of music.
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 16:43
It's funny, Genesis was the band that led me into listening to progrock. A friend of mine, who was into country-rock, said: "Well, you'll probably like Yes too. That's symphonic rock too". I thought to myself: "Yes? I don't think so! I only know 2 hitsingles, Roundabout and Owner Of A Lonely Heart". Only when I listened to their albums, I found out that they were really progressive.
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 18:08
Not really, it's the poppier song on the album, but any album needs a radio friedly single to sell. It's still good.
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 18:11
It's not pop. I just think it was written and happened to become popular. Not
that it was written for the purpose of selling.
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Posted By: Laurent
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 18:45
NO!!!!
Just because it sounds slightly commercial doesn't make it Pop. 90125 is pop.
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Posted By: margaret
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 19:48
flying teapot wrote:
I would agree with Royal Jelly, thing were less defined at the end of the sixties. That is how we can see Santana, jefferson airplane, Yes, the Moodies, or Janis Joplin on the pop chart. Music was evolving rapidly, the short 3 minute dities were on their way out, and longer cuts became radio play as FM radio started to expand...Then came AOR radio, and I remember seeing some long songs in the charts...In a Gadda da Vida,By iron Buttelfy, "Music",By John Miles (great song), There was song by Eric Carmen that was long, and charted well, and i also remember something from a duo of piano players, Twins I believe called Mark and Clark that was very extensive and charted well in Holland.
I think Yes has done Poppier things than Roundabout, and one problem if you hear a song often or played to death you will soon enough learn to hate it. Roundabout may have suffered from that, but technically and musically it is a masterpiece and well crafted piece of music.
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Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 22:07
pop - short for popular - was roundabout ever popular?
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 22:38
Roundabout was a surprise Top 10 hit single back in 1972, cobb ... at least I think so ...
but the album version on Fragile is quality prog-rock in my book, not pop at all ...
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Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 23:14
Well, I guess Trotsky has answered the question- prog rock it may be, but also pop.
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Posted By: ColinInLA
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 23:38
Does it truly matter one way or another? Why must it be labled?
The virtue of reaching and pleasing a lot of ears neither makes a song good
nor bad. The same goes for complexity of arrangement or instrumentation.
The fact that we're still even discussing the relative merits of this 33 year old
song says it all. It's a standout piece of work that - perhaps more than any
other of their compositions - defines what has made YES one of the world's
major acts. Without a doubt, it's their signature song.
If music moves you, lables are superfluous.
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Posted By: anotherbrick
Date Posted: October 12 2005 at 00:14
Roundabout has too many common-prog elements to be pop for me, and in
comparison to "Owner Of A Lonely Heart", could possibly be disgracing
to refer to it as pop.
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Posted By: anotherbrick
Date Posted: October 12 2005 at 00:15
ColinInLA wrote:
Does it truly matter one way or another? Why must it be labled?
The virtue of reaching and pleasing a lot of ears neither makes a song good
nor bad. The same goes for complexity of arrangement or instrumentation.
The fact that we're still even discussing the relative merits of this 33 year old
song says it all. It's a standout piece of work that - perhaps more than any
other of their compositions - defines what has made YES one of the world's
major acts. Without a doubt, it's their signature song.
If music moves you, lables are superfluous.
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Well said! We listen to it because we like it! Not because of the clothes it wears, so to speak.
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Posted By: eduardossc
Date Posted: October 12 2005 at 08:09
anotherbrick wrote:
ColinInLA wrote:
Does it truly matter one way or another? Why must it be labled?
The virtue of reaching and pleasing a lot of ears neither makes a song good nor bad. The same goes for complexity of arrangement or instrumentation.
The fact that we're still even discussing the relative merits of this 33 year old song says it all. It's a standout piece of work that - perhaps more than any other of their compositions - defines what has made YES one of the world's major acts. Without a doubt, it's their signature song.
If music moves you, lables are superfluous.
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Well said! We listen to it because we like it! Not because of the clothes it wears, so to speak.
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Iīve always thought the same thing. The reason I started this poll is because I still donīt understand most of proggers watching at the label before listening to the music and what it makes them feel. Look at the "Duke" reviews. The first lines are always something like: "This is not early Genesis", "This is their first pop album", "This is not foxtrot and it is too poppy". In the end, the whole album is enjoyable from the very beggining to the last song. For many at least. Of course itīs not prog in the purest sense, so what?.
In the same way, Roundabout may have these poppy and catchy choruses all over, still, the song is great, be it as it may. One of my favourite songs ever is "Donīt forget about me" by Simple minds. Pure pop. Still, itīs full of energy, passion and conviction. I may as well listen every "Lizardīs" single second and feel excited. You are very right at pointing out: "If music moves you, labels are superfluous"
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Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: October 12 2005 at 12:27
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 12 2005 at 13:22
eduardossc wrote:
Just wondering. Is Roundabout a POP song with superb instrumentation?. Prog-pop perhaps ? |
you are pop
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: October 12 2005 at 13:42
It's one of the best prog songs ever - and that's all that matters.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 12 2005 at 14:35
Logos wrote:
It's one of the best prog songs ever - and that's all that matters.  |
thats what i'mtalking about
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