Post-1970's Prog: The Year 2005
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Topic: Post-1970's Prog: The Year 2005
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Subject: Post-1970's Prog: The Year 2005
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 00:38
 2005: Arena - Pepper's Ghost - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nW8-qNtbQFzrbxPnT8-EPo_aQnoBEY57U" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nW8-qNtbQFzrbxPnT8-EPo_aQnoBEY57U  2005: Kate Bush - Aerial - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lv4gmUSB_M4fhiS4fCyujoU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lv4gmUSB_M4fhiS4fCyujoU 2005: Dream Theater - Octavarium - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kenWZqZjpo5SVB1Jqq5I_ymw9FXIpVOKQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kenWZqZjpo5SVB1Jqq5I_ymw9FXIpVOKQ  2005: Echolyn - The End is Beautiful - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m0zd4ejSXp6OPv7PBDVH4_Gj69brbdj_M" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m0zd4ejSXp6OPv7PBDVH4_Gj69brbdj_M 2005: Steve Hackett - Metamorpheus - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n2WUNVZMEZxiNuA0eXNtbFBWUf-2xocH0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n2WUNVZMEZxiNuA0eXNtbFBWUf-2xocH0 2005: Steve Howe - Spectrum - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE690D528BC1500D4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE690D528BC1500D4 2005: Kaipa - Mindrevolutions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T2lFmeDYpQ&t=3285s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T2lFmeDYpQ&t=3285s 2005: Kayak - Nostradamus: The Fate of Man - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lHeCItfeeqajozce5oAVatk3uw8jAzzyo" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lHeCItfeeqajozce5oAVatk3uw8jAzzyo 2005: Like Wendy - Endgame - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1aVd6kmDWWmk-cYonjfD1ullqD3--V_7" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1aVd6kmDWWmk-cYoNjfD1ullqD3--V_7 2005: Magic Pie - Motions of Desire - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kZJtLmIwXQpSjPe91aX8LSS2_m84I13KI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kZJtLmIwXQpSjPe91aX8LSS2_m84I13KI  2005: The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m8LOrDqvqGYSQlL3z5B-CKZNIr0r_ek7M" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m8LOrDqvqGYSQlL3z5B-CKZNIr0r_ek7M 2005: Neal Morse - Question Mark - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3CMdOxPKW4&t=1859s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3CMdOxPKW4&t=1859s 2005: Mostly Autumn - Storms Over Still Water 2005: Mike Oldfield - Light + Shade - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_khFIyVf_v3u0asIRTF0_kqz6n1HXWwvsg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_khFIyVf_v3u0asIRTF0_kqz6n1HXWwvsg 2005: Pallas - The Dreams of Men - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpKOAiRHjfQmqbxzsT8KZtOE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpKOAiRHjfQmqbxzsT8KZtOE 2005: Pendragon - Believe 2005: Anthony Phillips - Field Day - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZx1dHjtcK6yrAQj0LXIpGJ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZx1dHjtcK6yrAQj0LXIpGJ 2005: Porcupine Tree - Deadwing - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZ1UgBn1o3KXNV6-BfDWc4d" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZ1UgBn1o3KXNV6-BfDWc4d 2005: Riverside - Second Life Syndrome - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nQNFM4biktgQuFDSO40XsnEf2kNvo7ppk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nQNFM4biktgQuFDSO40XsnEf2kNvo7ppk 2005: Spock's Beard - Octane - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nQNFM4biktgQuFDSO40XsnEf2kNvo7ppk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nQNFM4biktgQuFDSO40XsnEf2kNvo7ppk 2005: The Tangent - Pyramids and Stars 2005: Underground Zero - Powerplay - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZecuvJZsQ3JOwGXO_C32sy" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZecuvJZsQ3JOwGXO_C32sy 2005: Van der Graaf Generator - Present - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kMj6UgMKSVMLSQv_VcovA4HigmE62vGUs" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kMj6UgMKSVMLSQv_VcovA4HigmE62vGUs 2005: Willowglass - Willowglass - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpYY0oOJen4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpYY0oOJen4 2005: Wobbler - Hinterland - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nM_vh56Anw30Ujje9XSmiCz0P3s53_ys8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nM_vh56Anw30Ujje9XSmiCz0P3s53_ys8 |
Replies:
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 00:45
| Deadwing |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 01:49
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echolyn ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: AlanB
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 01:56
| Neal Morse for sure. ? is one of his best IMO. |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 02:02
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That Kate Bush album is nice. |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 02:27
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My sectional off this list are: Wobbler - Hinterland Echolyn - The End is Beautiful Van der Graaf Generator - Present Kaipa - Mindrevolutions Neal Morse - Question Mark Kate Bush - Aerial Pallas - The Dreams of Men Magic Pie - Motions of Desire ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 02:27
Excellent choice ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Man With Hat wrote:Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 02:28
Oh YES ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 02:29
Awesome list ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 02:41
Thanks! This is the best year of the 21st century so far for me, where I had to somehow whittle a list of 35 albums down to 25 for the poll. I've included a couple of 2-star albums too, as I know from past experience that the albums I rate the lowest usually go on to win the poll.
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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 02:44
| DT for me |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 02:53
| Porcupine Tree - Deadwing |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 03:15
| Echolyn > Riverside > PT |
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 04:00
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Wobbler Hinterland + PT/Riverside/Pendragon/Willowglass/Pallas/Steve Hackett |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 04:17
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I guess The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute but very tight with Riverside - Second Life Syndrome ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 04:43
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PT ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 06:00
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Mr. Hackett, just ahead of Mr. Phillips and Wobbler. ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 06:07
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Kate Bush's Aerial for me. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 06:37
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Riverside will likely win so I give my vote to the Kayak's rock opera. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 09:09
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? ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 10:02
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Number of albums I'd listened to in the poll before 2010 = 2 (Kate Bush; Dream Theater) Number of albums I listened to for the first time yesterday = 6 (Echolyn; Kaipa; Like Wendy; Magic Pie; The Mars Volta; Neal Morse)
Number of CD albums I currently own in the poll = 3 (Kate Bush; Dream Theater; Porcupine Tree) Voted for..... Underground Zero, mainly because I know no one else will. |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 13:00
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Second Life Syndrome. An album that amazes me more with every play. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 13:18
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Echolyn > PT > TMV > Wobbler ------------- Oh, for the wings of any bird, other than a battery hen |
Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 16:00
| The Two Steves (voted for Spectrum). |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 16:37
Me, too! ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 16:44
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Deadwing > Kate Bush & Mars Volta |
Posted By: EduTatsumi
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 17:50
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1- Pallas - The Dreams of Men 2- Porcupine Tree - Deadwing 3- Arena - Pepper's Ghost
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 09:27
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The Mars Volta > Wobbler ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 09:50
| Pallas - The Dreams of Men |
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 11:18
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^ My proggy me would say the same, but I'm going for the more original and musically outstanding (imho) album Aerial, by Kate Bush. ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 11:36
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Willowglass debut is a feast ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: VianaProghead
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 11:37
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Pallas - The Dreams of Men. ------------- "PROG IS MY FERRARI". Jem Godfrey (Frost*) |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 13:30
Vraiment! Especially "The Garden" and "Remembering"! ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 14:03
The way I look at it, Riverside are currently joint 4th?? Fine album, though...
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 14:57
I'd like to raise a glass for Willowglass too. I Love all three of his albums.
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 16:34
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Anthony Phillips followed somewhere by Steve Howe, Porcupine Tree, Kate Bush, Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, and Mike Oldfield. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 18 2022 at 02:44
this
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 19 2022 at 02:27
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A preview of the 25 prog artists coming up in tomorrow's poll for the year 2006:- Deluge Grander The Enid The Flower Kings Frost* David Gilmour Steve Hackett Iona Jadis Karda Estra Karfagen Kotebel Little Tragedies Magenta The Mars Volta Mostly Autumn Nexus North Sea Radio Orchestra The Pineapple Thief Porcupine Tree Saga Seven Reizh Shamall Spock's Beard The Tangent Rick Wakeman
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: September 19 2022 at 06:02
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The music must be getting better as the spread and number of votes is increasing! ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 19 2022 at 06:27
There's also no shortage of prog albums to make up the 25 needed for each poll. The hardest part is deciding who to leave out.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 19 2022 at 06:58
That doesn't suprise me.  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: September 19 2022 at 08:51
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Riverside then PTree Wobbler ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: September 19 2022 at 14:09
| Anthony Phillips. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 09 2022 at 04:07
My favourite double album with no filler songs. Kate even manages to make a washing machine sound interesting.  |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 17 2023 at 09:03
A close-run poll with Porcupine Tree Deadwinging it by just two votes over The Mars Volta and Riverside.
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Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: October 17 2023 at 09:07
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Kate Bush - Aerial Porcupine Tree - DeadwingWobbler - Hinterland Pendragon - Believe |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 17 2023 at 09:10
Deadwing is a Classic, Riverside is extremely good... never understood the appeal of TMV at all ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 17 2023 at 09:28
That makes two of us who are underwhelmed by The Mars Volta. I prefer to explore Mars with Hungarian band Solaris instead.
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Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: October 17 2023 at 09:34
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I quite liked Present, I'll vote for that ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat... |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 17 2023 at 09:34
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^^ I see you've gone for Mostly Autumn here? This one is a solid 4 stars from me, along with Pepper's Ghost. I think you should try a little harder with VDGG though... Present isn't a classic, but it's certainly better than the 2 stars you've awarded it. ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: October 17 2023 at 09:50
| Pendragon's Believe is by far my favourite of theirs |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 17 2023 at 09:51
I'm afraid you're fighting an uphill battle with trying to turn me on to VDGG's 2-star Present album, especially bearing in mind I've given a lowly 2-star rating to the classic Pawn Hearts album too.  I did give a full 5-stsr rating to VDGG's two 1970 albums though and I even went out and bought them too, so The Least We Can Do is Wave to Each Other in showing our appreciation for those two particular albums.
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Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: October 17 2023 at 10:04
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^Paul, what are your ratings for Godbluff and Still Life then? ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat... |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 17 2023 at 12:06
At Present, a noncommittal three-star rating for both albums. A Grounding in Ratings with apologies to fans of Pawn Hearts. 1969: The Aerosol Grey Machine - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCpCWgcjr6WImrJ1KR4-xeQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCpCWgcjr6WImrJ1KR4-xeQ 1970: The Least We Can Do is Wave to Each Other - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBP7gSa4G4wrUWTTlj2W_75" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBP7gSa4G4wrUWTTlj2W_75 1970: H to He, Who Am the Only One - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzDXW5vepShO5dF2126hcOUV" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzDXW5vepShO5dF2126hcOUV 1972: Pawn Hearts - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzD_44Y4-KWyVY9UUPE1eyR5" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzD_44Y4-KWyVY9UUPE1eyR5 1975: Godbluff - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBXeu6ex9Aj-Oe7IPuF2zZR" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBXeu6ex9Aj-Oe7IPuF2zZR 1976: Still Life - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzA7mBv_pBwS6qqutttXdZE2" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzA7mBv_pBwS6qqutttXdZE2 1976: World Record - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCzfrki6u7F5DccGmU6G5Gt" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCzfrki6u7F5DccGmU6G5Gt 1977: The Quiet Zone/The Pleasure Dome - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBvlXxx72XqK7UXnVGu49Mh" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBvlXxx72XqK7UXnVGu49Mh 1978: Vital - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAK8kCRqYT5pE7RLYlmxOUH" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAK8kCRqYT5pE7RLYlmxOUH 2005: Present - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCYFqLXP-uzK_JkzSpnD977" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCYFqLXP-uzK_JkzSpnD977 2005: Live at Rockpalast - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzA7wSRcttb-XD63jGgl-Jue" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzA7wSRcttb-XD63jGgl-Jue 2007: Live at the Paradiso - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzA_Pq3e-DFm2afW1yIXqd44" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzA_Pq3e-DFm2afW1yIXqd44 2008: Trisector - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAHuQS-mM5bh-7Wd7DXoAhR" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAHuQS-mM5bh-7Wd7DXoAhR 2011: A Grounding in Numbers - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBGJNDad3BRCxvKiBxAGI-y" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBGJNDad3BRCxvKiBxAGI-y 2012: ALT - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzC-niSKdAKrkxkKwNvygP7g" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzC-niSKdAKrkxkKwNvygP7g 2016: Do Not Disturb - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBftm-VB4JPteX-n2yDLD0Z" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBftm-VB4JPteX-n2yDLD0Z |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 17 2023 at 12:12
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^^ no disrespect Paul, but that is the most non-sensical set of ratings I've ever seen! 5 Stars for Least & H to He (Masterpiece) and 2 for Pawn Hearts???? (their greatest work and the one that, even by their own admission, the former two albums were leading up to?) Besides that, World Record is their most melodic and accessible (you like that kind of thing) and it only gets 3 Stars?? We implore you to reevaluate... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: October 17 2023 at 12:13
^It's a massacre out there  It seems VDGG are not a Vital band for you then ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat... |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 17 2023 at 12:17
^ Sorry Jared, but After the Ordeal of listening to Pawn Hearts three times in a row now, it's not going to gain an extra star from me by listening to it again, so no, VDGG aren't a Vital band for me. 
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Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: October 21 2023 at 22:02
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Second Life Syndrome, with Frances the Mute a close second. ------------- Z |