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Topic: Your fave Miles Davis Fusion albums?Posted By: David_D
Subject: Your fave Miles Davis Fusion albums?
Date Posted: November 01 2022 at 16:00
I just listened to Dark Magus and thought, this thread would be a nice idea,
so here are mine (live included):
Bitches Brew(1970)
Live/Evil(1971)
Dark Magus(1977(1974))
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Replies: Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 01 2022 at 16:25
Such an amazing, seminal period. Can't pick one, plus the many artists & projects he inspired like Hancock, Williams, McLaughlin, Cobham, Coltrane.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 01 2022 at 16:42
Miles @ Filmore
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: November 01 2022 at 17:35
Much preferred Miles' bebop or cool albums.
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: November 01 2022 at 23:40
Atavachron wrote:
Such an amazing, seminal period. Can't pick one, plus the many artists & projects he inspired like Hancock, Williams, McLaughlin, Cobham, Coltrane.
Totally agree with you.
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: November 02 2022 at 06:52
Miles Davis – Live Around The World. This album contains a song which was Miles' last recorded 'live' performance.
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 02 2022 at 07:26
I've got a quartet sharing the top spot: Bitches Brew, Big Fun, Get Up With It and In A Silent Way - whichever one of those I'm listening to will be my favorite.
These "proto-fusion albums are excellent too: Water Babies, Filles De Kilimanjaro and Miles in the Sky (which was recorded in the same era, but not released until 1976).
Also the hour of fusion you'll find on the odds & end compilation Circle in the Round is fantastic - and that goes for Directions as well!
Among the studio albums I'm not crazy about On the Corner and Tribute to Jack Johnson. The rest is gure gold.
-Except for Live-Evil I've grown out of love with his 1970's live albums. Or I've admitted to myself that their not for me. I can see why rockers find them attractive, but to me it's too harsh and abrasive and lacking in lyricism and atmosphere. Hard funksessions with not much happening in tems of chord progressions tc... is really not my bag. Besides Miles himself was so out of shape on those mid 70's live sets, that it's occasionally painful to listen to for that reason alone.
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: November 02 2022 at 07:59
"Get Up With It" "Big Fun" "Agharta" "Pangrea" "Live Around the World"
Also lots of earlier stuff, particularly "Birth of the Cool" and "Water Babies".
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 02 2022 at 09:40
Silent
Bitches
Evil
Tribute
Fun
Corner
(+/- in chronological order)
BTW, Agartha a bit as well (Magus & Panaea are simply too dark and out there for me)
Saperlipopette! wrote:
I've got a quartet sharing the top spot: Bitches Brew, Big Fun, Get Up With It and In A Silent Way - whichever one of those I'm listening to will be my favorite.
These "proto-fusion albums are excellent too: Water Babies, Filles De Kilimanjaro and Miles in the Sky (which was recorded in the same era, but not released until 1976).
-Except for Live-Evil I've
grown out of love with his 1970's live albums. Or I've admitted to
myself that their not for me. I can see why rockers find them
attractive, but to me it's too harsh and abrasive and lacking in
lyricism and atmosphere. Hard funksessions with not much happening in
tems of chord progressions tc... is really not my bag. Besides Miles
himself was so out of shape on those mid 70's live sets, that it's
occasionally painful to listen to for that reason alone.
Basically I agree on what I didn't edit out.
Filles & Sky are his better second quintet albums and (especially Sky) paved the way for Silent Way.
I must say that I also agree that the 74/5 live recordings haven't aged well with me, though I was into them in the late 80's.
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Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: November 02 2022 at 13:06
In the same way that Abbey Road foresaw all that would happen in 1970s rock and pop, In a Silent Way did exactly the same for 1970s jazz and fusion.
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 02 2022 at 13:55
Sean Trane wrote:
Silent
Bitches
Evil
Tribute
Fun
Corner
(+/- in chronological order)
BTW, Agartha a bit as well (Magus & Panaea are simply too dark and out there for me)
Saperlipopette! wrote:
I've got a quartet sharing the top spot: Bitches Brew, Big Fun, Get Up With It and In A Silent Way - whichever one of those I'm listening to will be my favorite.
These "proto-fusion albums are excellent too: Water Babies, Filles De Kilimanjaro and Miles in the Sky (which was recorded in the same era, but not released until 1976).
-Except for Live-Evil I've
grown out of love with his 1970's live albums. Or I've admitted to
myself that their not for me. I can see why rockers find them
attractive, but to me it's too harsh and abrasive and lacking in
lyricism and atmosphere. Hard funksessions with not much happening in
tems of chord progressions tc... is really not my bag. Besides Miles
himself was so out of shape on those mid 70's live sets, that it's
occasionally painful to listen to for that reason alone.
Basically I agree on what I didn't edit out.
Filles & Sky are his better second quintet albums and (especially Sky) paved the way for Silent Way.
I must say that I also agree that the 74/5 live recordings haven't aged well with me, though I was into them in the late 80's.
I know I'm probably a minority in regards to not loving On the Corner or Jack Johnson, but how come you don't enjoy all the amazing fusion stuff to find on Circle in the Round and Directions?
Btw: I mixed up the Water Babies and Miles in the Sky-titles. The former obviously being the one released eight years after it was recorded.
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 02 2022 at 16:44
Steve Wyzard wrote:
In the same way that Abbey Road foresaw all that would happen in 1970s rock and pop, In a Silent Way did exactly the same for 1970s jazz and fusion.
very farsighted!
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 02 2022 at 17:51
Sean Trane wrote:
(Magus & Panaea are simply too dark and out there for me)
I have to admit that I only listen to the first half, as the second one is too far out for me as well.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 05 2022 at 05:32
A very good book about Jazz-Rock/Fusion is Stuart Nicholson's Jazz-Rock: A History (1998), of course also containing chapters
about Miles Davis and references to his work throughout the whole book.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 05 2022 at 12:53
Prefer the earlier HardBop, Modal stuff from Miles. I tend to stop at Bitches Brew, once the electric guitar, bass and piano started becoming more common in jazz, I'm not a big fan.
All of Herbie's hardbop stuff is so much more inventive than the fusion/rock stuff....for me.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 05 2022 at 13:22
very interesting with all the different points of view
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 11 2022 at 08:39
A significant quote from the book mentioned above:
"For at least two years prior to Bitches Brew, jazz-rock had been bubbling beneath the surface, but the style needed
someone of sufficient stature to "sanction" the dawn of a new era. Just as Joe "King" Oliver, Louis Armstrong,
Bennny Goodman, Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, and Ornette Coleman had come to personify areas in jazz history,
so Miles Davis would come to signify the era of jazz-rock fusion. Consequently Davis would be credited with "inventing"
the genre, and, thanks to his standing within the jazz world, he would also be acknowledged as establishing
the new music's "legitimacy"."
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: November 11 2022 at 10:12
^No doubt Miles was an innovator, but I'm not a fan of his fusion output.
It could be said that Chuck Berry invented rock n roll, yet I like other rock musicians/bands more than Chuck.
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 19 2022 at 06:52
Grumpyprogfan wrote:
^No doubt Miles was an innovator, but I'm not a fan of his fusion output.
It could be said that Chuck Berry invented rock n roll, yet I like other rock musicians/bands more than Chuck.
Well, I could also tell that there's quite a lot of Jazz-Rock fusion I'm more fond of than Miles Davis' - maybe except from Bitches Brew.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 22 2022 at 05:19
But it looks to me like Miles' fusion work is less popular around here than I imagined.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 22 2022 at 07:02
David_D wrote:
But it looks to me like Miles' fusion work is less popular around here than I imagined.
I think many here knows In a Silent Way, Bitches Brew and not much more.
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 22 2022 at 07:49
Hi,
I can't say, honestly, that I listen to Miles for any "fusion" whatsoever ... you go for Miles, because IT IS MILES and you appreciate his ability to do whatever comes to mind at any time and place in his music.
The individuality is what makes it for me ... not the "fusion". For me, all music is some kind of "fusion" anyway!
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 22 2022 at 08:19
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
I can't say, honestly, that I listen to Miles for any "fusion" whatsoever ... you go for Miles, because IT IS MILES and you appreciate his ability to do whatever comes to mind at any time and place in his music.
The individuality is what makes it for me ... not the "fusion". For me, all music is some kind of "fusion" anyway!
The "Fusion" here basically means "Electric Miles". As Miles himself famously said to Nancy Reagan
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"Well, I've changed the course of music five or six times. What have you done except f**k the president?"
-meaning it's not about our favorite be bop, modal jazz or post bop-Miles albums, although those obviously "fuse stuff" too. So did Les Baxter and Martin Denny, but they are not Fusion with a capital F. We're discussing the period when he changed the course of music starting around 1968-1969 - which lasted till his (temporary) retirement, in 1975. Which I'm sure you already know.