Interactive Poll : Then and Now
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Topic: Interactive Poll : Then and Now
Posted By: mathman0806
Subject: Interactive Poll : Then and Now
Date Posted: February 14 2023 at 10:59
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Doesn't seem too busy around so this might fizzle out, but let's give it a try. The theme is Then and Now. Pick a year and a tune you loved back then when it came out. Then pick another tune from the same year that you learned about later on that you love. It's an opportunity to compare how your tastes may have changed or maybe you just know more now. Lesser known prog (50 or fewer ratings) are fine. For voting, the tunes do not need to be paired up. But paired for final nomination. Another rule is that the year should be at leat 10 years old. Each post should give one year and two tunes from that year. Nominate as much as you like. This was just a thought that popped in my head, so I don't have a suggestion yet. Have fun! Playlist of all videos: Playlist of the nominated tracks (thanks Mila!): |
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 14 2023 at 11:01
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That's a great idea for a poll. I'll think of something and get back to this.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 14 2023 at 16:43
Excellent idea for a poll.  I don't know when I'd be able to vote because there is an family issue to contend with, but... In 2004 (thought it was earlier actually) I regularly was using a site called Atom Films which had videos of all sorts, and it's there that I discovered the music video for Air's Cherry Blossom Girl. I soon grew to love Air, and I still do. I expect that I would have liked this El3ctrelane at the time too had I known it back then instead of much more recently. Then: 2004's Air - Cherry Blossom Girl Now: 2004's Electrelane - Oh Sombra! ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I observed before. It can be much like that with music for me; immersed in experiencing the moment. |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: February 14 2023 at 18:07
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Aye! Will come up with something! |
Posted By: bardberic
Date Posted: February 14 2023 at 20:08
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To the guy above me, I vote Oh Sambra! I'm a bit too young to make a suggestion for this lol I'm 25 y/o and didn't really start listening to music until 2009, nor modern music until 2012, nor prog until 2017. This is a really cool concept nonetheless. But 2012 was over ten years ago, and you never specified this has be prog :) Nevertheless: 2012 (discovery): Stone Sour - House of God and Bones Pt. 1 (14 y/o bardberic was cool for listening to this :p) 2012 (retrospective - 2019 first listen): Om - Advaitic Songs Edit: Since I turned like 17 y/o or so I always thought Corey Taylor has been an embodiment of cringe, but oh god this video has me wincing...
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Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: February 15 2023 at 04:52
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Nice! And another occasion to bring Nena forward. I Have to think about it and will try to come up with something soon (but that might be days...). ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: February 15 2023 at 10:45
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So, I already found something... No Nena, though (yet). The year is 1995, and my selection is maybe a kind of an illustration of my change in music listening habits. They are both on PA, though. I was still very much into symphonic rock and neo prog, but not really enchanted by the evolution prog was undergoing in that period of time (and I don't remember the word "prog" was actually already in use... I don't think so): it was moving towards heavy prog and prog metal, especially in the prog magazine I received (sym info, later SI Magazine and then IO Pages, I think). I liked some of it, but didn't like most of it, so I started turning away a bit from prog. It is in that period that I started to explore more of jazz rock (Frank Zappa!), contemporary classical music, and more avant-garde and experimental music. So, because they were from my university town, and because I saw them live once (and it was a decent concert, indeed), maybe even a year before the release of their first and only album, I propose you a Dutch neo prog highlight: Light - Elephants on Tightrope: And next a band (group, ensemle?) of which I heard the name back in the 90s (but I rather associated it with punk, silly me), but only started exploring their music in the mid noughties. More than a decade later, thus. I have presented them before in the IA polls and I still don't consider their music to be prog rock, but progressive they are. And they make wonderful music... Die anarchistische Abendunterhaltung - Ve Driesl*g.telsel: Edit: Oh yes, of course... that damned Anglo-Saxon censorship machine attacks again... Imagine an "a" instead of the * and an "s" instead of the dot... and then try to pronounce it out loud.  ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: February 15 2023 at 15:05
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Here's something that I fell in love with straight away when I heard it (can't remember whether it was 1984 when it came out or early 1985 but anyway). I liked a lot of stuff by Level 42 at the time and they were great live, but these days this is the only track I still feel like playing regularly Kansas City Milkman On the other hand, I have become a proper fan of Asmus Tietchens, even though I hadn't heard his 1984 album until quite recently. He is on PA by the way. Whether he belongs here is another matter. Hydrophonie 1 |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 15 2023 at 15:26
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In all cases I do prefer the later discovery. That may say something about my more matured tastes preferring others more matured tastes -- even if I may taste mostly like overmature moldy cheese. This I had decided against being in competition, and I did add this to my most recent poll, but I had considered adding these originally. I had decided not to because I remembered prominently proposing the Eels discovery (back in 2006) first. I think I nominated it. I had mentioned Cherry Blossom Girl in an earlier Interactive Poll too. Then in 1996: Eels - Beautiful Freak Now from 1996: Fishmans - Long Season Part 5 ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I observed before. It can be much like that with music for me; immersed in experiencing the moment. |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: February 15 2023 at 18:25
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Nice to see some of the usuals here and Cristi! Looking forward to your choices. @bardberic, Welcome! I don't think I have see at one of these Interactive Polls before. I am glad you were able to make the age cut-off.  I didn't people to say something like I heard this last year but just last week I heard this. You definitely got the right spirit with your selections. We do encourage non- or lesser-known prog because we have the rest of the forum for the popular stuff. I was originally thinking 20 years. But it is nice to draw in younger participants and perspectives. @logan (Greg), I took some inspiration from your recent polls for this one when you paired up years. I then wanted to use that and come up with something personal for the participants. Love the Eels. Electro-Shock Blues still holds a high place among favorite all-time albums for me. And I really like the Fishmans. Will have to respond to your 1996 poll. @suitkees, I did think you might put up Nene when I came up with this poll so you'll need to follow through.
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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: February 16 2023 at 04:54
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1997 with grungy Britpop sounding like the Smashing Pumpkins. I still listen to power pop and catchy rock but not as much as I used to. This one really caught my ear back then. Feeder - Cement I have played another track from this album City of Light in another poll (samsara). I had been a fan of Bill Laswell's work as a musician and producer before 1997 but he is just prolific and it's easy to miss his work. I didn't come across this until a few years ago. The album is a collaboration of 4 tracks where he writes and plays on the 1st and 4th. The 2nd track is by Coil and the 3rd by Japanese ambient artist Tetsu Inoue. The lyrics and spoken word on all 4 tracks are by singer/songwriter Lori Carson, who played with Laswell in the Golden Paliminos. This is the first track with tabla played by Trilok Gurtu. Bill Laswell - Nothing |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: February 16 2023 at 05:24
| Also, I am not setting any time limits for now. I want to give a chance for people who check in on the forums every now and then. So no rush for suggestions. I want enough time for people to come up with ideas and listen to others. Anyone new or old are welcome. If you are not familiar with these Interactive Polls, I'll try to find a good link and put in the first post when I have a chance. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 16 2023 at 15:00
I really like your approach, and thanks for responding to my poll. As my 1996 poll partially was inspired by thinking up options for this poll (that Eels one quickly came to me). It wasn't that easy choosing pairings, although I thought it would be very easy due to various polls I have made quite recently. Finding ones that I am into now from the past 40 plus years is easy (the 1980s would be a fair starting point for my sufficiently sentient and musically aware life_ but choosing ones that I was confident that I knew and liked (I wanted it to be about music I really liked/ was special to me) in that year and pairing it with another was harder. Had Laurie Anderson and Kate Bush had less ratings, then it would have been easier. Most of my life and with most music my tastes have been behind the times. And as I write this I remember many more, mostly from the late 80s and 90s, such as the classic Opus III - It's a Fine Day from 1992, but the I would want to pair it up with something that currently excites me and 1992 is not a particular fave year as I recall.... It's fun to talk a walk through memory lane, and it requires some researching. ^ Seeing 1997, now that is one of my very favourite years in music. I like the Indian motifs of that Bill Laswell track. A very interesting and diverse combo. I like that both are as different as they are. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I observed before. It can be much like that with music for me; immersed in experiencing the moment. |
mathman0806 wrote:Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: February 16 2023 at 15:54
Ha... OK! So, upon - very - popular demand: here she is... 1983 is the year. I wasn't very much into cinema yet; I was too young for that. But I was very much into Nena (was I?), although I actually was too young for that too, maybe... I already gave away the better tracks of her 1983 self titled album in earlier polls, but here you go, with a very silly 80s clip, that makes an abuse of the slow motion in the wrong places. Fortunately, there is the voice of Nena! Nena - Kino: (English translation of the https://lyricstranslate.com/en/kino-cinema.html" rel="nofollow - lyrics here ) Also 1983, but I think I discovered The Durutti Column in 2009 when researching for an article I was writing on documentaries made during and about the Spanish Civil War and I was misspelling the name of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durruti_Column" rel="nofollow - Durruti while searching on the Internet (yes, the band name is actually a misspelling!). But I liked the music that I stumbled upon very much. So, this is from the 1983 album Amigos em Portugal... The Durutti Column - Estoril a noite: ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: February 16 2023 at 16:07
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Nena's guitarist with black hairs is Carlo Karges who had earlier been in Novalis by the way. |
Posted By: bardberic
Date Posted: February 19 2023 at 14:34
| Funnily enough I prefer almost everyone's second song to their first. Almost everyone's lmao. Especially the 90s stuff. Good riddance to grunge, bripop, and the like! |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: February 21 2023 at 14:47
Thanks, George! I was absent from progarchives for two weeks (which I had never done before) convinced that no one would open a new interactive poll.... Let me know next time! Send me a private message! ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: Mila-13
Date Posted: February 22 2023 at 02:09
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My first proposal is a
track by Belgian jazz rock band Dans Dans. I'm not quite sure if they have already
appeared in one of the previous polls, though.
Dans Dans : Au hasard The second piece is by
Nicole Mitchell and her Black Earth Ensemble. Mitchell is a flutist and composer who emerged from the Chicago avant-garde scene. Nicole Mitchells Black Earth Ensemble: Meadow Sunlight in the Swinging Fields I will explain a little
later why I chose these two acts in particular. I'm a little late, so for
now I just want to share this music with you. I'll be back soon! |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: February 22 2023 at 11:08
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I've never been a fan of British pop. In Italy Oasis had great success with their second album, which I listened to a lot (it contains some very good songs, although very epigonic, but I never liked the production, that oversaturated and bombastic wall-of-sound). Blur and Suede had less success, and I didnt like them. But then came Blur's "Blur", which I liked a lot: while Oasis were repeating themselves and becoming more and more pompous, Blur became a real rock band. I consider "Blur" a little masterpiece. In 1999 Blur published their most experimental album, "13", produced by Orbit. I had high expectations, which were partly fulfilled and partly disappointed: the album contains very good insights but is heterogeneous and confusing. It is an interesting album, but less beautiful than its predecessor. Anyway, they were brave artists. (Then, unfortunately, Blur didn't do anything good anymore) The fact is that I present to you one of the most experimental compositions from that album: Caramel. In 1999, I still did not know Cristina Donā, one of the best Italian singer-songwriters between the 1990s and 2000s. Beautiful voice. And beautiful her, too! Wonderful woman, to fall in love with! I discovered her second album "Nido" several years later, and I present to you the song featuring Robert Wyatt on trumpet: "Goccia". Not exactly my favourite genre of music, but I'm crazy about that woman, and she sings sublimely.... it's an atmospheric song, basically a refined pop-song, almost an art-pop. My selection: 1) Blur: Caramel (taken from "13") 2) Cristina Donā (feat. Robert Wyatt): Goccia (taken from: "Nido") ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: February 22 2023 at 17:41
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@bardberic, hehe...I still listen to small doses of Brit pop and grunge every now and then. Nostalgia and all that. Saw a lot of the big grunge acts live in the 90s... Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains Didn't have a chance to see Nirvana though. @lorenzo, good to see you come back and find this! I will be sure to PM you the next time. @mila, also good to see you drop in. I will accept the close enough in years. It's in the right spirit of things and I admit I have had that issue with getting years to line up. Glad to see some activity. I've been away from PA for a few days. I will start putting together a ongoing playlist over the weekend. |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: February 22 2023 at 17:45
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Lorenzo, the video for Cristina Donā doesn't play for me. But this one does. If you can see this, let me know if it is the same. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: February 22 2023 at 17:58
Yes, that's right! ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: Mila-13
Date Posted: February 25 2023 at 02:22
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Around the turn of the millennium, I was pretty much into electronic music. It actually already started in the nineties. At the time I found electronic music more exciting and innovative than most other genres I had listened to before. I will not bring any heavy club sound nor overly experimental stuff here. But hey, let's just have a little fun!  De-Phazz: Heartfixer (Album: Death by Chocolate, 2001) De-Phazz is a downtempo jazz ensemble from Berlin integrating modern turntablism and elements of soul, Latin, trip hop and drum and bass into a lounge music sound. Most Europeans among us may know them already, but well. The Avalanches: Frontier Psychiatrist (Album: Since I Left You, 2000/2001) The Avalanches are an electronic music group from Melbourne. They are known for their numerous DJ activities and especially for their debut album Since I Left You, which was recorded with the use of about 3,500 vinyl samples. The album was released abroad with some delay due to the clarification of copyright issues. but I only became aware of the group a few years later when they re-released the chosen track along with this quirky and funny video. lol |
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: February 25 2023 at 04:28
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Got some time to run through all the suggestions put up so far, so here are some of my thoughts... Greg: As you know, I love Air and know Cherry Blossom Girl very well, but I also like it very much. I discover Electrelane here and although it sounds interesting, upon first listen I do prefer Air. Will give it another listen. Eli: Two tracks in a genre I'm not fond of, but both have something very good and interesting in them. Stone Sour are musically maybe a bit more traditional hard rock/heavy metal, but it sounds quite good and very solid. It's a pity (imho) that the singer feels the need to growl, because he has a great voice, when he's singing. But I prefer Om's State of Non-Return; the music sounds much more original to my ears, although I don't like the voice... Christian: Oh yes, back to our youth... I wasn't much into Level 42 back then (nor funk in general), but didn't dislike it either. Nowadays I appreciate this much more than in 1985. This is a great song indeed. I don't think I ever heard anything by Asmus Tietchens, but I like this - not for every moment of the day, but it is quite fascinating to listen to. Greg: I always remain a bit underwhelmed by Eels. Beautiful Freak is not an unpleasant listen, but it doesn't compete with the Fishmans track. You presented this one in one of your polls and I think I voted for it then. Great listen again. George: Well, the "grungy Britpop sounding like..." never really impressed me and nor does this Feeder track; nice, but also rather forgettable to my ears. Especially against this Bill Laswell track (but you probably expected that from me), this one is musically much more interesting for me. Mila: Nice to see you join in again! I heard a couple of tracks by Dans Dans coming by on FIP radio, these last years. I liked what I heard but never explored more of their music. This track too is great, a wonderful listen. Nicole Mitchells Black Earth Ensemble is also a good listen, but it fascinates me much less than Dans Dans. Lorenzo: Even Blur didn't change my stance on "grungy Britpop", so I never really explored their albums. This track however is quite intriguing and a great listen. I understand you regarding Cristina Donā... I think the Bolero is a bit overused in modern day music, but as such this is quite an intresting track, a great groove and tension in it - wonderful. Mila: Oh yes, I think I prefer the more experimental stuff. With De-Phazz we're much into the dance/electro style that is not much for me. The Avalanches are much in similar territory to my ears, but I find this track more interesting (but still not fan of that house beat). Funny over-the-top clip though! ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 25 2023 at 05:22
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something i listened to when it came out (in 1997) a band I listened to much later than their album was released |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: February 25 2023 at 13:25
I actually have the album from which these samples were taken. It was an album by comedy duo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_and_Shuster" rel="nofollow - Wayne and Shuster (Johnny Wayne and Frank Shuster) which my parents bought when I was a child. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: February 25 2023 at 15:07
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I just heard that Avalanches track for the first time a couple years ago. It came up as an Amazon Music suggestion coinciding with the 20th anniversary reissue. I liked it the. And it's on my Likes playlist. I didn't think Feeder would get much appeal. I have memories of bopping about my apartment at the time to that track. Looking back at 1997, I think my two favorite albums back then were Ladies and Gentlemen, We're Floating in Space by Spiritualized and Vanishing Point by Primal Scream. So,as an excuse to play the Coil track from the Bill Laswell album, I will pair up from then, Primal Scream - Kowalski Coil - Kāla As a bonus, the album by Primal Scream was named after and inspired by the movie Vanishing Point. The lead character's name is Kowalski. Here's the trailer. |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: February 25 2023 at 15:49
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1998. Fatboy Slim (Norman Cook) had some hits off his second album and I liked this one. It's a feel good song and video. Fatboy Slim - Praise You Sacred System (Bill Laswell), on the other hand, did not have any hits. One of his many projects. More tables. Sacred System - X-Zibit-I Bonus. Camille Yarbrough is an American musician, dancer, activist, author, actress, and poet. She wrote and sang the song "Take Yo' Praise", which was heavily sampled for "Praise You". |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: February 25 2023 at 16:19
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Here's a playlist for everything up to now. I will put it in the first post when I am on a computer. For some reason whenever I try to edit it on my phone, I lose my original post. |
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: February 26 2023 at 02:31
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^ Thanks! Due to geographical licensing the Fatboy Slim track doesn't work for me; this one does, but might not work on your side of the pond... (it is from Fatboy Slim's own yt-channel and called "official video"): ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: February 26 2023 at 03:49
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Ah, 1997... The year of OK Computer, so everything else sounds bleak... Well, not everything, thus... Cristi: I think I only listened to a couple of earlier Fates Warning albums in full and they never really convinced (but I must say that I'm very limited in my prog metal likings, as you know by now), but this tracks sounds quite good and incites me to listen to the whole album. Didn't know The Night Watch and for a 1997 album this sounds of course not original at all, but when neo prog sounds like this I like it! George: I prefer both your 1997 choices over the 1998 ones. I quite dig this Primal Scream track which is as trance inducing as the City of Light/Bill Laswell/Coil (?) track, the latter with some ambient tendencies. Difficult to speak out a preference of one over the other. Both 1998 tracks are nice too, but I'm less captivated by them than the other two. ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: February 26 2023 at 04:17
| The other Fatboy Slim video plays for me, so I swapped it in. They are the same except the one I had has about 20 seconds of an interview with the lead dancer at the end. It was also from Fatboy Slims YT channel. |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: February 26 2023 at 06:12
| @cristi: Thanks for your suggestions. I had not listened to Fates Warning in a while. It was good to hear A Pleasant Shade of Gray track. I hardly listen to prog metal these days, and when I do, it tends to be post/experimental and avant-gardish. With neo-prog, I am limited to the core of Marillion/Fish and IQ typically, and Twelfth Night on occasion, so I appreciated Suitkee's putting out the Casino album elsewhere. Had not listened to the Night Watch album before (or any of the subsequent Watch releases, either). This is solid neo-prog. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 26 2023 at 06:50
Thank you for your post, I'm glad you enjoyed the songs.
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Posted By: Mila-13
Date Posted: February 26 2023 at 12:33
It's nice to hear from you after quite a while! Thank you for this interesting information. As we can see, sampling does have also positive aspects, it can bring forgotten artists back to life.- Would you like to join in and introduce to us some less-known Australian artists and bands? |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: February 26 2023 at 16:21
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^ I found this on YouTube. It's the "Frontier Psychiatrist" sketch from the album I have: ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: Mila-13
Date Posted: February 27 2023 at 07:15
^ Thanks a lot!  |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: February 27 2023 at 11:29
Gang: Kowalsky It's the same song... more or less! ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: February 27 2023 at 12:38
Ok, I'll play. The year I choose is 1972. The first song was a favourite of mine at the time of its release, and is regarded as an Australian classic: Billy Thorpe and the Aztecs - Most People I Know (Think That I'm Crazy) The second song I discovered about 15 years ago as one of the songs on the Golden Miles: Australian Progressive Rock 1969-1974 compilation album released in 1994. However, the song from the album was originally released in 1972: Pirana - Here It Comes Again ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: February 27 2023 at 13:48
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^ For my next pair of tracks, I choose the year 1976. The first track is from the Sebastian Hardie album "Windchase", which I first heard shortly after its release. Although this album is not as good as "Four Moments", the chosen track is one of my favourite Sebastian Hardie tracks: Sebastian Hardie - Hello Phimistar The second track is from an album I discovered on ProgArchives about 10 years ago when I looked up the top Australian albums: Rainbow Theatre - Fantasy of Horses ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: February 27 2023 at 20:21
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^Thanks! The Billy Thorpe track doesn't play for me. Is this the same version of the song? |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: February 28 2023 at 03:22
Yes. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 01 2023 at 17:04
Thanks a lot, Kees! ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 01 2023 at 17:05
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Logan: two very ethereal pop songs. The first is more classical, and has a nice sound - but it is a bit monotone. The second has more bite, scratchy singing, more pathos but I really don't like the almost electronic sound. I couldn't tell you which one I prefer. Bardberic: The first song is a very sustained and long heavy metal piece, almost exhausting, but overall quite melodic. It's not my cup of tea. The second is a more ambitious song, with great attention to the arrangements, which reaches a fine climax in the part with the strings (long live Jiddu Krishnamurti!). I definitely like it better. Suitkees: The first song is a mini-suite that starts as a hard rock instrumental piece with a very noisy guitar, then comes the prog part and finally the sung melodic part, then the guitar ride returns. Interesting song, very dilated The second is a classical tango-style song, very lively, at times dissonant, definitely symphonic in its development, very good especially in the syncopated progression part, this is a strong contender. ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 03 2023 at 06:42
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Lewian: Level 42: I remember them well, typical eighties music but more refined, a jazz-soul in the style of Steve Winwood but more commercial (the singer has not the Winwood's voice, but it is nice to see how he plays the bass). Asmus T.: I don't know them, here Christian presents us a noisy mini-suite, cavernous but synthetic, atonal, sometimes with industrial sounds, the voice comes in as an additional decorative noise, it has nothing of the singing. The whole track goes on with these noises trying to be hypnotic: there is no real development and there is no purely musical part, a bit like listening to a purely twelve-tone piece. There is only an experimental search for sound, a search conducted according to purely formal, non-musical values. It doesn't convince me. A very enjoyable first song, which could win the public's grand prize, and a second song that is not very enjoyable, but not particularly difficult, if anything monotonous, which could win the critics' prize. ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 04 2023 at 05:21
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Logan: 1996 I know EELS very well, I especially love the first two albums, and this is the title song of the first, in the style of E: a dreamy nursery rhyme, it is apparently naive but actually very sophisticated pop. The second song features an interesting 'rhythmic piano' that plays the same phrase from beginning to end: it is a mini-suite that is a cross between ambient - prog music and an electronic jam with bits of jazz. ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 05 2023 at 16:52
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George: Quite a schizophrenic song, it's true that it reminds one of Smashing Pumpkins'songs, overall I prefer the earlier part with the slower rhythm. The second song is very, very meditative, indeed a dilated piece even for an ambient piece! The problem, for me, here is that there is only percussion, no melody. Kees: Nena... hmmm I'd sayis it's an eighties guilty pleasure, .... but she, the singer, wow, what a woman! The second track, instrumental, is nice but too short Mila: first instrumental piece, noisy, has some good moments both in pathos and sound, it's a pity the lack of development. The second piece is also instrumental, an ethno-jazz? The sound of the flute is always nice, but actually I would have been interested to hear the percussion instruments better. More jazz (in the sense of free) than the previous one, but also less convincing. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: March 11 2023 at 04:33
| I had been busy and away from PA so just getting back. How about nominations? Maybe by Tuesday or Wednesday to give a few more days for anyone new. And then open the poll before next weekend so people can listen and vote. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 11 2023 at 09:58
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My nominated pairing will be Then from 1996: Eels - "Beautiful Freak" Now from 1996: Fishmans - "Long Season Part 5" I choose that yearly pairing because of the Fishman's track particularly, which I find wonderful. It also is an album that I am surprised not to have listened to much sooner than I did. The similar opening and closing tracks parts one and five are my favourites from the Long Season album, much as with another favourite album of mine, Serge Gainsbourg's Histoire de Melody Nelson and actually quite a few albums. Thanks for the comments on the tracks, Keys and Lorenzo. I tried to do it, but it doesn't come easy to me, and gave up. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I observed before. It can be much like that with music for me; immersed in experiencing the moment. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 12 2023 at 05:43
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Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: March 12 2023 at 05:52
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Won't be much available during the week, so I'll give my nomination now: my 1995 pair. Still have to listen to I prophesy Disaster's suggestions... ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: March 12 2023 at 06:54
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Thanks for the comments already posted! I have a pretty heavy workload these days so was quieter. As you'd probably expect, I nominate the two tracks that I had earlier suggested. |
Posted By: Mila-13
Date Posted: March 14 2023 at 03:13
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I nominate: Dans Dans: Au hasard Schneeweiss & Rosenrot: Miss Palsy Release dates: April 2013 / Oct 2012 I will stick to the 1st. The 2nd is new. Lucia Cadotsch, a Swiss artist came to my mind who is worth instroducing. This is her first project where she collaborated with three collegues she had met during her studies in Berlin. They have all a jazz background but here they experimented by including synths etc.- I have known Lucia for some time but wasn't aware of this project. Thanks to all who have commented so far. I will do so as soon as the voting has started. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 14 2023 at 03:19
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I posted just two songs, so obviously, that will be my nomination.
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Posted By: Mila-13
Date Posted: March 15 2023 at 15:21
George, if you are busy atm I can take over. It's time to bring this poll to an end, I think.
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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: March 17 2023 at 06:20
Definitely busy. Thanks for the offer Mila. I did put up the tracks into the poll. If you want to 'wrangle' people into voting, you are more than welcome to take over to get this done. I realized as I did put in the tracks, I don't know which year I prophesy disaster would like. I put up his 1972 choices but can change those to 1976 if he chimes n. Straightforward voting. Vote for 3. Doesn't have to be paired. Comment if you like.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: March 17 2023 at 06:23
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I'm actually quite happy about the slow pacing of this. |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: March 17 2023 at 14:05
The 1972 tracks are fine. The other two tracks from 1976 were an afterthought. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 17 2023 at 15:12
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George, dont forget my songs! ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: March 17 2023 at 15:24
Sorry, Lorenzo! I thought this might happen. Your songs are in the poll now!
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 17 2023 at 16:20
------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 17 2023 at 22:34
| Primal Scream - Kowalski |
Posted By: Mila-13
Date Posted: March 18 2023 at 01:54
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Here is the playlist with the nominated tracks. The release dates can be found in the playlist description
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf0vedFO-7Y&list=PLRF2N4J-pa5RragjiB4VJxSjeOVLqEnK4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf0vedFO-7Y&list=PLRF2N4J-pa5RragjiB4VJxSjeOVLqEnK4 @George, if you like you can post it in your first post so everyone can find it. |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: March 19 2023 at 04:19
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Thanks Mila, very useful! |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: March 19 2023 at 07:28
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...and what a fantastic playlist this is! I pretty much love this from beginning to end. Blur: I think I only had heard a very few tracks of them, which hadn't impressed me too much (although in the stadium of my favourite football club they play Song 2 when we score a goal), but this is very strong, energetic, and with much development. Didn't know they do stuff like this. I have a Primal Scream album that I also find quite a bit weaker than this one - seems I haven't explored these bands in the right way. I tend to say that I'm not into Neo Prog or Prog Metal, but in fact the tracks of Fates Warning and The Night Watch are very enjoyable, The Night Watch being the better one for me. At the end of the day one can say "band X sounds too much like like band Y" all day long; as long as they move me when I listen to them, why not? Ah, there's also Light, again good to listen to and probably between the two mentioned before. There are at least 10 here I'd very happily vote for or even buy, and as I'm more in listening than writing mood, I won't write something about all of them, but well done you! Four I really should vote for are bands I had heard of before, Fishmans, Die anarchistische Abendunterhaltung (both discovered quite recently through this forum), Coil, and Blur, phantastic stuff here, but I will go for bands/artists that I've come across for the first time in this playlist, and that would be Dans Dans, Schneeweiss & Rosenrot, and either Om or Cristina Dona. OK I think I'll be somewhat inconsistent here and vote for Coil as I was aware of them ages ago and they had completely vanished from my radar and this one is really great. So votes for Dans Dans, Schneeweiss & Rosenrot, Coil without saying that these are necessarily the best three, rather three out of many great things. (Maybe two of these were even proposed by the same person but I don't look at that making up my votes.) |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: March 19 2023 at 20:06
Thanks so much Mila! This has been added to the first post.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 19 2023 at 22:38
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I've listened through these a few times and there were seven that sort of stood out for me: Die anarchistische Abendunterhaltung - Ve Drieslg.telsel Asmus Tietchens - Hydrophonie 1 Dans Dans: Au hasard Schneeweiss & Rosenrot: Miss Palsy Primal Scream - Kowalski Bill Laswell with Coil - Kāla Blur - Caramel I liked the others too. I'm going with: - Dans Dans - Au hasard (I had heard this at some time, but I love this) - Blur - Caramel (also heard this at one time, but realise how very much I really like this) - Bill Laswell with Coil - Kāla (I love this sort of hypnotic ambient music with the spoken word -- reminds me a bit of Terry Riley meets Laurie Anderson) That is an excellent trio per my tastes (thought for sure DAAU would be there at first). Thanks George for doing the topic, this was a very enjoyable selection to listen to and an interesting topic for thinking up the nominations (a fun and illuminating challenge). ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I observed before. It can be much like that with music for me; immersed in experiencing the moment. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 21 2023 at 12:10
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Thanks to Mila, and to Christian and Greg. Soon I'll write my thoughts. ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: Mila-13
Date Posted: March 23 2023 at 02:17
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Greg: Fishmans Your Japanese contributions are always an inspiration to me and the Fishmans dont disappoint! They sound quite different
from what you have shared with us so far. Their music is an interesting fusion
of Japanese music, partially acoustic and western music styles including atmospheric
lounge influences. Kees: DAAU They are still one of my favourite bands of yours.
They have their very own style but still manage to surprise with new musical facets. This is what makes great bands! Christian: Asmus Tietchens It is interesting to get to know another remarkable German
composer of experimental electronic music! With synthesisers, possibly the use
of field recordings and human voice Tietchens creates a complex soundscape that
is reminiscent of a turbulent watercourse that is also suggested by the repeated appearance
of the term Ostsee (Baltic Sea). Cristi: Fates Warning I have to admit that I am not so familiar with prog metal but Im grateful
to get to know a genre that is new to me. I read that this band has had a major influence on prog metal which is of course an ideal starting point! George: Bill Laswell ft. Coil The Aussie guy: Billy Thorpe and the Aztecs I am somewhat familiar with the Australian music
scene, but only from the eighties onwards. It's great to get to know music from
the earlier decades. Although the sound of Pirana is more sophisticated, the
catchy song by the Aztecs was love at first listen! Eli: OM _______________ Thank you all for the music and your comments! Thanks a lot for hosting, George! p.s. I have a few topic suggestions up my sleeve. Is anyone interested? |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: March 23 2023 at 03:16
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Thanks to everyone who participated. As usual, lots of interesting and varied stuff to listen to. Nice to go back in time with these Took several listens and settled on Fishmans first, which I first heard when Greg had his 1996 poll and struck me immediately. Amazon has the album as 1 long 35 minute track. Second track I decided on was the one by Dans Dans. The surf-like guitar line against the acoustic jazz rhythm section works well. Reminds me of something that I have not been able to place and will probably come to me days or even weeks from now. Ilthen the third was difficult. I had it down to DAAU, the Night Watch, Asmus Tichens, and Om. Voted for Om. @Mila, still limited on time but would be interested in whatever ideas you got. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 23 2023 at 03:21
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I'll give the songs a proper listen tomorrow and vote.
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 23 2023 at 19:21
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I had written a long message which unfortunately was lost, I'll try again tomorrow. ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: March 25 2023 at 04:08
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This was a nice listening trip... Two stood out for me: - Fishmans - Long Season Part 5 - Dans Dans: Au hasard Then two went for a toss-up: Schneeweiss & Rosenrot and Blur. I took the Caramel (didn't expect this from Blur...). Not nominated, but really a wonderful piece of music, and thus deserving a mention: Rainbow Theatre - Fantasy of Horses. Thank you all! ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: Mila-13
Date Posted: March 25 2023 at 21:50
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https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=130681&PID=6070284" rel="nofollow - https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=130681&PID=6070284 I hope to see you around, cheers!  |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 26 2023 at 02:42
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Light Dans Dans Om
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: March 26 2023 at 22:43
Thanks.
It's a great album that sits rather uniquely in my collection. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: April 02 2023 at 17:02
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Podium: 1) Die anarchistische Abendunterhaltung (ans Grand Critic's Prize) 2) PRIMAL SCREAM 3) EELS ----- Honorable mentions: 4) Dans 5) Om Grand Public's Prize: Level 42
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